Need Help Identify GT40

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JP Verweij

Beware, only the lightweight version of the GTD MK2 is lighter. The regular GTD MK2 is heavy thick sturdy fibreglass with the frontclip at 45kg and the rearclip at 65kg.

Take a look at mobile.de about prices.
A GT40 with street legal road registration in Europe is hard to find, that raises the prices.
Road legal GT40s go way over 100K in Europe as they are scarce.
New build GT40s or import with V5 document from the UK is since Brexit almost impossible to get street legal these days in the EU.

While your in France, first question will be, is it road legal with French documents. If not it aint worth the money.
Second question will be, if its road legal, what do you want to pay for it.
Its a personal thing.

I got offered 150K recently and never thought about it.
 
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Marco Solari

JP Verweij said:
Beware, only the lightweight version of the GTD MK2 is lighter. The regular GTD MK2 is heavy thick sturdy fibreglass with the frontclip at 45kg and the rearclip at 65kg.

Take a look at mobile.de about prices.
A GT40 with street legal road registration in Europe is hard to find, that raises the prices.
Road legal GT40s go way over 100K in Europe as they are scarce.
New build GT40s or import with V5 document from the UK is since Brexit almost impossible to get street legal these days in the EU.

While your in France, first question will be, is it road legal with French documents. If not it aint worth the money.
Second question will be, if its road legal, what do you want to pay for it.
Its a personal thing.

I got offered 150K recently and never thought about it.
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The car is not road legal.
 
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Marco Solari

Another question: I am 1.90 m tall, I can fit my head in the car without any problems. The problem are the pedals that almost reach my knees. Can you tell me if it is possible to relocate the pedals on this car?
 
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JP Verweij

Soluz said:
The car is not road legal.
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There you have your answer about the value. €180.000 for a replica GT40 that will never be road legal in Italy or anywhere in Europe is way overpriced.
At the moment in Europe there are several GT40's going in circles denied bij several country's, from owner to the next owner who all fail to get it road legal.
Just very few are lucky to get it sorted or know people that know people that can have it sorted.
There are several on this forum that failed, even recently.

They all fail on certificate of conformity which non of these have. V5 on a kitcar is not valid anymore in Europe.
The whole kitcar / replica export market from the UK to Europe crashed since Brexit.

So the question now is, do you want a road legal GT40?
If not, you can find them for less then half that price.
 
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Malcolm

Supporter
24890 is the orighinal GT Developments (GTD) chassis number. The chassis was originally made in house in 1990. Initially built without a customer in mind it was sold to its first owner as a MK1 but later had a MK2 body conversion. Initially specified to take a Ford 302 and a Renault transaxle. Anything different to that is by the owners not the factory. It is not a factory lightweight car. More than 7 MK2s were produced by GTD and the vast majority of chassis supplied were to take the Ford 302. If you didn't want a 302 then it was a special option. Handfiul of Rover V8s, a couple of Chevrolet 350s and a couple of V6s. Mainly 302s by a big margin.

On leg room GTD did use to offer a long footwell option. Gave an extra 50mm or so. If not fitted at build time, it is possible to retro fit but not a small task.

Hope that helps
 
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Marco Solari

Malcolm said:
24890 is the orighinal GT Developments (GTD) chassis number. The chassis was originally made in house in 1990. Initially built without a customer in mind it was sold to its first owner as a MK1 but later had a MK2 body conversion. Initially specified to take a Ford 302 and a Renault transaxle. Anything different to that is by the owners not the factory. It is not a factory lightweight car. More than 7 MK2s were produced by GTD and the vast majority of chassis supplied were to take the Ford 302. If you didn't want a 302 then it was a special option. Handfiul of Rover V8s, a couple of Chevrolet 350s and a couple of V6s. Mainly 302s by a big margin.

On leg room GTD did use to offer a long footwell option. Gave an extra 50mm or so. If not fitted at build time, it is possible to retro fit but not a small task.

Hope that helps
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Thanks. Amazing you know the history of the car. Thank you very much!
 
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BenL

For folks like me who don't remember that Mini, here's the first article I found about it.

You Know You Want To... The GT40 Mini...

Q: When is a GT40 not a GT40? A: When it's a Mini. We'll explain...
www.pistonheads.com www.pistonheads.com

It was offered for sale for 17,500 GBP.

One of the comments says "If my memory serves me correctly the owner of GTD was Ray Christopher who was a legend in the customising world with a V8 milk float "
 
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max sainz

Wow! Really cool.
The FIA Passport is a great starting point—it might help confirm some details about its identity and race history.
 
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Marco Solari

maxsainz123 said:
Wow! Really cool.
The FIA Passport is a great starting point—it might help confirm some details about its identity and race history.
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Meanwhile I managed to find out the previous owner. It’s a GTD40 MK2 built by the owner itself. The VIN P1064 was added by someone else, the correct vin is the one related to the Q plate SABTVR03596177285. Then the car was sold to Italy were it got some racing upgrades such as exhaust, brakes and new carburetors. The power steering was removed together the handbrake. The car didn’t take part to significant races, only to minor Italian historical reenactments and hill climbs. She needs a lot of love.
 
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Marco Solari

Sandsled said:
She's on auction right now, looks more than a little bit away from reserve

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The description makes me laugh:

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This car began life in Michigan, USA – built with original MkI GT40 components, later converted into MkII spec. A Frankenstein with pedigree. In 1984, it was exported to the UK, where it received proper British refinement and now drives with right-hand steering and UK registration. And the best part: it has an FIA Historic Technical Passport (HTP) – ready for historic European racing.

A GT40 with HTP is rare. One with a traceable history and original parts? Nearly impossible. And one registered in 1971, now road-legal in Italy with documented historic provenance? Truly one-of-a-kind. “


The car is not road legal in Italy and it doesn’t have a registration plate. Meanwhile I’ve find the original owner on Facebook, his name is Paul Wilson and he bought the car from GTD and built himself late in the nineties. The car has never been in USA, the only evidence of this invented American story are a fake Michigan plate and some writings by hand on the scans of the documents. The technical passport expired a while ago and I was told that it can’t be renewed.
 
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Steve Dean

Supporter
Hi Marco,
I hope you have dropped any thoughts about buying this car. As JP has stated it is virtually impossible to register this car for road use in mainland Europe. I presume that at sometime it was road registered in the UK and passed an SVA/IVA test? If not it would struggle to pass the current IVA requirements without a lot of changes. Even if the car was modified to pass the IVA test it could still NOT be road registered in mainland Europe. In the UK prices for correctly registered replica GT40s can be anywhere between £50K and £120K. BUT currently there are prices being asked above £100K but not being achieved. The market is very wide as there are some fantastic replica's around but also some very poor cars.
Obviously a Superformance GT40 is a different situation price wise. They are a very high specification car and therefore the price is substantially higher.
The fact that this car is being offered/promoted with lots of false history is a very bad situation and will only reduce the value of the car. As you have discovered there is a huge amount of knowledge on this forum ( from a very wide geographical area).
You have come to the right place to get factual information so I urge you to listen to this expert community.
Best regards
Steve.
 
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BenL

Soluz said:
The description makes me laugh:

“
This car began life in Michigan, USA – built with original MkI GT40 components, later converted into MkII spec. A Frankenstein with pedigree. In 1984, it was exported to the UK, where it received proper British refinement and now drives with right-hand steering and UK registration. And the best part: it has an FIA Historic Technical Passport (HTP) – ready for historic European racing.
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There is/was a red GT40 replica in the Detroit, Michigan area that was built from a variety of pieces, some original. I last saw it in 2003. It could be that someone hijacked that story.
---Ben
 
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