The Pot Party!

[Mark]

Here's the thing, or things;

God forgives right? I suspect he also forgives left, right?

Don't stand behind God to make a point. He won't stand behind you. That is not God's way. God gave us free will and pretty much leaves us to get on with it.

What does God do to Kingdoms that reject Him? I am not sure that God has ever done anything to Kingoms that reject him. man in the name of god has done much to be ashamed of.

What is wrong with debt? It seems to me, more than ever before, when we owe too much, they print more money and hand it out with wild abandon. But not to those who need it, or in the case of the third-world, write it off. The whole concept of trillions of debt is fundamentally flawed.

And by the way, you're all still name-calling and hiding behind your respective fences people. What's your plan? I'm all ears..............

 

[Al Wohlstrom]

Actually both the Tea Zombies and the Occupy Wall Street folks both bother me. In both cases, minorities of their "groups" are using racially and otherwise bigoted language to make "points." Kind of like the anti-Muslim and anti-Immigrant rhetoric we get here from you and others.

Anti RADICAL Muslim, anti ILLEGAL immigrant not anti Muslim, legal immigrant, there is a difference.

 

[domtoni]

Bob,

Don't think so after all God was even worse than a Liberal he was a Liberal Socialist collectivist.


New International Version (©1984)
Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

Bob I also need to thank you for educating me as I was not sure what a collectivist was and so Googled it. It appears God was a collectivist as well.

According to Moyra Grant, in political philosophy "collectivism" refers to any philosophy or system that puts any kind of group (such as a class, nation, race, society, state, etc.) before the individual.

So God sacrificed his only son to save us (the group), surely the ultimate act of collectivism.

New International Version (©1984)
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

So we have God as our champion who are the conservatives going to put up

Regards

Nick (smug git)

Nick, here is a view of a conservative God via a woman:
Why Capitalism Glorifies God - Page 1 - Katie Kieffer - Townhall Conservative

 

[Jeff Young]

Good grief.

Nick, here is a view of a conservative God via a woman:
Why Capitalism Glorifies God - Page 1 - Katie Kieffer - Townhall Conservative

 

[Jeff Young]

Sure there is. One you generally don't make until you get called on it. Before that it is "all terrorists are Muslims" or somesuch.

Anti RADICAL Muslim, anti ILLEGAL immigrant not anti Muslim, legal immigrant, there is a difference.

 

[Chris P.]

Jeff just leave it alone... you're trying to squeeze blood from a stone. Once religion enters the picture there is no reasoning. They cannot question THE BOOK - right there reason and fact goes out the window. Keep your blood pressure down and move along... just do your part to make sure that religious nuts don't get into office. That's the only reason why I voted for Obama. Now we have Perry, Bachman, et al to worry about. They're worried about taxes. I'm worried about fundamental personal life choices.

 

[domtoni]

Jeff just leave it alone... you're trying to squeeze blood from a stone. Once religion enters the picture there is no reasoning. They cannot question THE BOOK - right there reason and fact goes out the window. Keep your blood pressure down and move along... just do your part to make sure that religious nuts don't get into office. That's the only reason why I voted for Obama. Now we have Perry, Bachman, et al to worry about. They're worried about taxes. I'm worried about fundamental personal life choices.

And those are the greatest choices.

 

[Jeff Young]

I totally agree.

Did you read that article though? Totally turned things on its head. Basicaly said that people who believed in God were "rational" and that God clearly loves capitalism. On the other hand, atheists and "progressives" are "emotional" and don't believe in reason.

Yeah. Believing in some unprovable, unknown, omnipotent old white guy who looks like you as the ruler of the universe is clearly rational.

We are in trouble.

Jeff just leave it alone... you're trying to squeeze blood from a stone. Once religion enters the picture there is no reasoning. They cannot question THE BOOK - right there reason and fact goes out the window. Keep your blood pressure down and move along... just do your part to make sure that religious nuts don't get into office. That's the only reason why I voted for Obama. Now we have Perry, Bachman, et al to worry about. They're worried about taxes. I'm worried about fundamental personal life choices.

 

[Nick]

"If you want to be perfect" is the telling point here. As we all must know, we are not, cannot be perfect, only Jesus is the perfect person.

I think liberals will have a tough time entering the kingdom since they are doing all they can to eliminate God from government. Since you are using the Bible as your reference here, take a look at what God does to the kingdoms that rejected Him.

Bob,

Some of what you say is true, the thing that gives me hope is that Jesus founded his church on Peter a far from perfect man who denied him three times, and took a convict with him on the day he died .

So there is hope for all of us, even conservatives.

However, at the risk of being pedantic you do seem to have missed my main point.

According to Moyra Grant, in political philosophy "collectivism" refers to any philosophy or system that puts any kind of group (such as a class, nation, race, society, state, etc.) before the individual.

So God sacrificed his only son to save us (the group), surely the ultimate act of collectivism.

New International Version (©1984)
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Nick, here is a view of a conservative God via a woman:
Why Capitalism Glorifies God - Page 1 - Katie Kieffer - Townhall Conservative

Domtoni,


With the greatest of respect and at the risk of sounding somewhat sanctimonious, if you believe the bible my quotes come directly from Jesus.

Now the real point is this is a bit of a silly futile argument as to who God supports as he has no real interest in polotics.

Notwithstanding this if you want to attach labels to people i.e. collectivist as being bad, then the evidence proves that label should be attached to God.

 

[Jeff Young]

I would hope the one thing we could all agree on is that if there is a God, he/she/it doesn't give 2 shits about politics.

 

[Nick]

I would hope the one thing we could all agree on is that if there is a God, he/she/it doesn't give 2 shits about politics.

Sorry Jeff,

Was busy correcting my spelling so my agreement to this comes before your post.

Still recon God is a collectivist though, however not to sure if he/she/it will approve of my methods so time maybe to retire gracefully.

 

[Nick]

Jeff Once religion enters the picture there is no reasoning. They cannot question THE BOOK - right there reason and fact goes out the window. I'm worried about fundamental personal life choices.

Chris,

Major thread drift alert

Can't speak for the USA but I can assure you attend an Alpha course in the UK and you can question as much as you like. After all even the disciples questioned hence the term doubting Thomas.

Cannot guarantee you will like or agree with all the answers though, I know I didn't.

 

[Bob Fechter]

Here's the thing, or things;

God forgives right? I suspect he also forgives left, right?

Don't stand behind God to make a point. He won't stand behind you. That is not God's way. God gave us free will and pretty much leaves us to get on with it.

What does God do to Kingdoms that reject Him? I am not sure that God has ever done anything to Kingoms that reject him. man in the name of god has done much to be ashamed of.

What is wrong with debt? It seems to me, more than ever before, when we owe too much, they print more money and hand it out with wild abandon. But not to those who need it, or in the case of the third-world, write it off. The whole concept of trillions of debt is fundamentally flawed.

And by the way, you're all still name-calling and hiding behind your respective fences people. What's your plan? I'm all ears..............

He forgives anyone, of course, but you have to repent of your sins.

What's wrong with debt?

It doesn't matter who "freshly printed money" goes to. It devalues all the previous money. I have to assume you were joking there, Mark.

"My" plan.


1. Get rid of the insane tax code. I see a 10% flat tax for any activity that generates income, with repeal of the sixteenth amendment (right of federal government to levy an income tax).

2. Audit the entire government, identify the vast amount of waste and theft, eliminate redundant/irrelevant agencies.

3. Redesign agencies such as the EPA so that their governing positions are elected by "we the people" rather than being unaccountable to us and made to prove the need for their ever more burdensome regulations.

4. Secure the borders.



2.

 

[Bob Fechter]

Sure there is. One you generally don't make until you get called on it. Before that it is "all terrorists are Muslims" or somesuch.

Absolutely no truth to that one Jeff. Somesuch seems to cover any detailed proof on this allegation.

BTW, how do you explain the popularity of herman Cain?? I like everything he says except the 9% federal sales tax.

 

[Bob Fechter]

Jeff just leave it alone... you're trying to squeeze blood from a stone. Once religion enters the picture there is no reasoning. They cannot question THE BOOK - right there reason and fact goes out the window. Keep your blood pressure down and move along... just do your part to make sure that religious nuts don't get into office. That's the only reason why I voted for Obama. Now we have Perry, Bachman, et al to worry about. They're worried about taxes. I'm worried about fundamental personal life choices.

Being religious doesn't make you a nut, aero.

Please show me one legitimate Conservative policy that damages any American citizen of any race, creed, or sexual tendency.

To get the ball rolling here is a Liberal policy that is hurting someone:

Controversial Therapy For Pre-Teen Transgender Patient Raises Questions | Fox News

 

[Nick]

Here's the thing, or things;

God forgives right? I suspect he also forgives left, right?

Don't stand behind God to make a point. He won't stand behind you. That is not God's way. God gave us free will and pretty much leaves us to get on with it.

What does God do to Kingdoms that reject Him? I am not sure that God has ever done anything to Kingoms that reject him. man in the name of god has done much to be ashamed of.

What is wrong with debt? It seems to me, more than ever before, when we owe too much, they print more money and hand it out with wild abandon. But not to those who need it, or in the case of the third-world, write it off. The whole concept of trillions of debt is fundamentally flawed.

And by the way, you're all still name-calling and hiding behind your respective fences people. What's your plan? I'm all ears..............

Mark,

In my eagerness to prove how clever I am I missed this post. For what it's worth I actually agree with a lot of what you say.

All major religious traditions carry basically the same message, that is love, compassion and forgiveness the important thing is they should be part of our daily lives.

If you can, help others; if you cannot do that, at least do not harm them.
Dalai Lama

I do not think I am helping others on this thread, in fact on reflection I suspect I am doing more harm than good so.
Adieu

 

[Al Wohlstrom]

Sure there is. One you generally don't make until you get called on it. Before that it is "all terrorists are Muslims" or somesuch.

I don't believe that I ever said all terrorist are muslim, but they do have the corner on the market lately!

 

[Mark]

Mark,

In my eagerness to prove how clever I am I missed this post. For what it's worth I actually agree with a lot of what you say.

All major religious traditions carry basically the same message, that is love, compassion and forgiveness the important thing is they should be part of our daily lives.

If you can, help others; if you cannot do that, at least do not harm them.
Dalai Lama

I do not think I am helping others on this thread, in fact on reflection I suspect I am doing more harm than good so.
Adieu

I'll break bread with you Sir any day.

 

[Mark]

He forgives anyone, of course, but you have to repent of your sins.

What's wrong with debt?

It doesn't matter who "freshly printed money" goes to. It devalues all the previous money. I have to assume you were joking there, Mark.

"My" plan.


1. Get rid of the insane tax code. I see a 10% flat tax for any activity that generates income, with repeal of the sixteenth amendment (right of federal government to levy an income tax).

2. Audit the entire government, identify the vast amount of waste and theft, eliminate redundant/irrelevant agencies.

3. Redesign agencies such as the EPA so that their governing positions are elected by "we the people" rather than being unaccountable to us and made to prove the need for their ever more burdensome regulations.

4. Secure the borders.



2.

Yes there was an element of jest in my post, re printing money. But the fact is, the whole system is shitty. The entire 'value' of money is flawed and determined by faceless entities that manipulate BS to suit there own hidden agendas. We the people, blindly do what we're told and go with the flow, simply busying ourselves with the business of living.

I agree 100% with all three of your suggestions for improvment. Even though we sit on opposing sides on other issues.

Flat rate tax makes 100% sense. the rich pay more the poorer pay less. Simple and fair.

Whatever happened to simple?

 

[Bob Fechter]

Yes there was an element of jest in my post, re printing money. But the fact is, the whole system is shitty. The entire 'value' of money is flawed and determined by faceless entities that manipulate BS to suit there own hidden agendas. We the people, blindly do what we're told and go with the flow, simply busying ourselves with the business of living.

I agree 100% with all three of your suggestions for improvment. Even though we sit on opposing sides on other issues.

Flat rate tax makes 100% sense. the rich pay more the poorer pay less. Simple and fair.

Whatever happened to simple?

The lawyers got involved.