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Seymour Snerd

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Their point being that if the GT40 developers had used heavier Ford tail lights instead they would have lost? :tongue2:

BTW, I think Chevys and Fords of the era both used Holley carbs from time to time. Lambo Miuras got their tail lights from a Fiat 850. It's the concept followed by the execution that win the race, not the nuts, bolts and washers.

Chevy and its fans should be grateful they got to "ride along" like a stowaway mouse in the space shuttle since GM had neither the balls nor imagination to compete.
 
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Rick Muck- Mark IV

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And I call "Foul-Urban Legend" on the story. I do NOT know how the Corvair tail lamps ended up on te MK II and then the MK IV BUT I seriously doubt the "down to the parts store with a scale" story.

The "J" car used a 1965 Thunderbird tail lamp assembly (without the turn signal sequncer system the T-Bird used) The plus side: Distinctive and and a Ford parts bin item (lens P/N C5SZ-13450-A). The down side: The tail light bucket weighs around 4 plus pounds of die cast zinc and used three 1157 bulbs. Now on the "J" car they might have moulded the bucket into the rear clip. Having never seen "J" tail in person, I can't comment. However, the T-Bird tail lamp would not work on the MK IV as there was not sufficent horizontal space for the lens which is around 15" horizontal width.

So we need some smaller, round light units....if indeed they sent someone to the parts store they would NOT have been able to find these. To wit:

1.) The lenses would only be sold at a GM dealer as an original "Guide" brand item. A generic parts store WOULD likely have the aftermarket lens as the "Glo-Brite" brand. Most volume tail light lenses were offered by Glo-Brite via independant parts stores (NAPA, etc.) In fact the Superformance GT40 MK II uses the Glo-Brites as the "Guide" reproductions are multiple times more expensive. Note to SPF owners, you need not source a replacement lens from South Africa....)

2.) A generic parts store would not have had the bucket/reflector/socket/wire assembly as they were not serviced aftermarket then. Only a GM dealer would/could have had these in 1965/66/67. Today they are available as reproduction for Corvair restoration (is that an oxymoron?) but would not have been found on the shelf at Autozone/O'Reilly/NAPA/Kragen/Bubba's House 'O Parts in those days.

Someone could tell them over at the Ford GT forum where Jalopnik picked up this story....and that is just what it is, a story. As Mulder said, the truth is out there, that story just isn't it. Perhaps this another Murdoch plot!
 
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Corvair tail lights were most likely the first thing Shelby and crew reached for , having already used them on the MKII
 

JimmyMac

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Fomoco lights on a 1965 Shelby GT40 Mark II
Or is the J-car ?
 

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Rick Muck- Mark IV

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The $4.00 repro is the Glo-Brite. Perhaps the "Guides" they used to have were NOS and no one has redone them. Admittedly not a huge market.....Corvair nuts and MK II/MK IV owners. I would guess the Corvair guys outnumber us................Lesee, if EVERY MK II/MK IV owner including the SPF cars and the new Kar Kraft MK IVs bought lenses, that would be, oh say around 350 units!(at four per car!)
 

Seymour Snerd

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The $4.00 repro is the Glo-Brite. Perhaps the "Guides" they used to have were NOS and no one has redone them.
Sorry, I didn't do that right:

Used $4, repro $4.25, Guide $8. And he does say the Guides are NOS, and might have scratches from being in boxes for years. What a hobby we have....

I ordered four "good used" just to try to raise the bar on totally irrational "upgrades." If somebody can think of something even more absurd let me know, I'll probably do it.

BTW the white car above is one of the roadsters, right? But which one?
 
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Fomoco lights on a 1965 Shelby GT40 Mark II
Or is the J-car ?

Should be GT107 going by the 'chrysler' fin slightly masking the #2 which would make it a light chassis MK1/11 with a 427. Possibly the 'best' combination you could get, MK1 looks with FE muscle..:)
 

Rick Muck- Mark IV

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BTW the white car above is one of the roadsters, right? But which one?

Jac Mac is right, it is the 1965 Mk I/II 427 powered GT. The horizontal lamp setup and the wider mesh with bright surround mouding were unique to that configuration. And the "Chrysler Fin" addition cinches it. Unseen is the extra long front clip that those cars had.

They were an evolutionary "dead end" sorta like Australopithcus.......only the concept and powertrain DNA survived to be passed on to the MK II...
 

Charlie Farley

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Alan,

I can think of another authentic " ABSURB " upgrade for you.

You need an ashtray.

John Horsmann told me, that when Roy Salvadori was testing the second
prototype, he used to light one up down the Mulsanne and throw the butt
out, through the little side window, just before he got to the braking point.
Can you imagine going down the Mulsanne, cig in one hand, wheel in the other !
And to think these cars stunk of fuel anyway.

Crazy guys.
 
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