What is it with California??

[Doc Kaler]

Real GSP > GSP statistics - states compared - StateMaster

Well, CA and TX aren't doing very well according to this source, most notably when adjusted to the GDP.

 

[Jim Craik]

Doc, I'm not sure what numbers you posted but this is the GDP per capita in US$

<TABLE class="wikitable sortable" id=sortable_table_id_0><TBODY><TR><TH>Rank</TH><TH>State</TH><TH>GDP per capita in USD</TH></TR><TR><TD>0</TD><TD>District of Columbia</TD><TD>66,000</TD></TR><TR><TD>1</TD><TD>Connecticut</TD><TD>54,397</TD></TR><TR><TD>2</TD><TD>New Jersey</TD><TD>50,313</TD></TR><TR><TD>3</TD><TD>Massachusetts</TD><TD>49,875</TD></TR><TR><TD>4</TD><TD>Maryland</TD><TD>48,285</TD></TR><TR><TD>5</TD><TD>New York</TD><TD>46,957</TD></TR><TR><TD>6</TD><TD>Wyoming</TD><TD>45,705</TD></TR><TR><TD>7</TD><TD>Virginia</TD><TD>43,874</TD></TR><TR><TD>8</TD><TD>New Hampshire</TD><TD>42,831</TD></TR><TR><TD>9</TD><TD>Alaska</TD><TD>42,603</TD></TR><TR><TD>10</TD><TD>California</TD><TD>42,325</TD></TR><TR><TD>11</TD><TD>Hawaii</TD><TD>42,009</TD></TR><TR><TD>12</TD><TD>Washington</TD><TD>41,751</TD></TR><TR><TD>13</TD><TD>Minnesota</TD><TD>41,552</TD></TR><TR><TD>14</TD><TD>Illinois</TD><TD>41,411</TD></TR><TR><TD>15</TD><TD>Colorado</TD><TD>41,344</TD></TR><TR><TD>16</TD><TD>Rhode Island</TD><TD>41,003</TD></TR><TR><TD>17</TD><TD>Delaware</TD><TD>39,817</TD></TR><TR><TD>18</TD><TD>Pennsylvania</TD><TD>39,578</TD></TR><TR><TD>19</TD><TD>North Dakota</TD><TD>39,530</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TD>20</TD><TD>Nevada</TD><TD>38,578</TD></TR><TR><TD>21</TD><TD>Vermont</TD><TD>38,503</TD></TR><TR><TD>22</TD><TD>Nebraska</TD><TD>38,081</TD></TR><TR><TD>23</TD><TD>Kansas</TD><TD>37,916</TD></TR><TR><TD>24</TD><TD>Florida</TD><TD>37,780</TD></TR><TR><TD>25</TD><TD>South Dakota</TD><TD>36,935</TD></TR><TR><TD>26</TD><TD>Wisconsin</TD><TD>36,822</TD></TR><TR><TD>27</TD><TD>Iowa</TD><TD>36,751</TD></TR><TR><TD>28</TD><TD>Maine</TD><TD>36,745</TD></TR><TR><TD>29</TD><TD>Texas</TD><TD>36,484</TD></TR><TR><TD>30</TD><TD>Missouri</TD><TD>35,676</TD></TR><TR><TD>31</TD><TD>Oregon</TD><TD>35,667</TD></TR><TR><TD>32</TD><TD>Louisiana</TD><TD>35,507</TD></TR><TR><TD>33</TD><TD>Ohio</TD><TD>35,381</TD></TR><TR><TD>34</TD><TD>Oklahoma</TD><TD>35,268</TD></TR><TR><TD>35</TD><TD>North Carolina</TD><TD>34,453</TD></TR><TR><TD>36</TD><TD>Tennessee</TD><TD>34,089</TD></TR><TR><TD>37</TD><TD>Michigan</TD><TD>34,025</TD></TR><TR><TD>38</TD><TD>Montana</TD><TD>34,004</TD></TR><TR><TD>39</TD><TD>Georgia</TD><TD>33,786</TD></TR><TR><TD>40</TD><TD>Indiana</TD><TD>33,725</TD></TR><TR><TD>41</TD><TD>Alabama</TD><TD>33,096</TD></TR><TR><TD>42</TD><TD>New Mexico</TD><TD>32,992</TD></TR><TR><TD>43</TD><TD>Arizona</TD><TD>32,935</TD></TR><TR><TD>44</TD><TD>West Virginia</TD><TD>32,219</TD></TR><TR><TD>45</TD><TD>Arkansas</TD><TD>31,946</TD></TR><TR><TD>46</TD><TD>Kentucky</TD><TD>31,883</TD></TR><TR><TD>47</TD><TD>South Carolina</TD><TD>31,799</TD></TR><TR><TD>48</TD><TD>Idaho</TD><TD>31,632</TD></TR><TR><TD>49</TD><TD>Utah</TD><TD>30,875</TD></TR><TR><TD>50</TD><TD>Mississippi</TD><TD>30,103</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

 

[Roark_John]

Doc, I'm not sure what numbers you posted but this is the GDP per capita in US$

<TABLE id=sortable_table_id_0 class="wikitable sortable"><TBODY><TR><TH>Rank</TH><TH>State</TH><TH>GDP per capita in USD</TH></TR><TR><TD>0</TD><TD>District of Columbia</TD><TD>66,000</TD></TR><TR><TD>1</TD><TD>Connecticut</TD><TD>54,397</TD></TR><TR><TD>2</TD><TD>New Jersey</TD><TD>50,313</TD></TR><TR><TD>3</TD><TD>Massachusetts</TD><TD>49,875</TD></TR><TR><TD>4</TD><TD>Maryland</TD><TD>48,285</TD></TR><TR><TD>5</TD><TD>New York</TD><TD>46,957</TD></TR><TR><TD>6</TD><TD>Wyoming</TD><TD>45,705</TD></TR><TR><TD>7</TD><TD>Virginia</TD><TD>43,874</TD></TR><TR><TD>8</TD><TD>New Hampshire</TD><TD>42,831</TD></TR><TR><TD>9</TD><TD>Alaska</TD><TD>42,603</TD></TR><TR><TD>10</TD><TD>California</TD><TD>42,325</TD></TR><TR><TD>11</TD><TD>Hawaii</TD><TD>42,009</TD></TR><TR><TD>12</TD><TD>Washington</TD><TD>41,751</TD></TR><TR><TD>13</TD><TD>Minnesota</TD><TD>41,552</TD></TR><TR><TD>14</TD><TD>Illinois</TD><TD>41,411</TD></TR><TR><TD>15</TD><TD>Colorado</TD><TD>41,344</TD></TR><TR><TD>16</TD><TD>Rhode Island</TD><TD>41,003</TD></TR><TR><TD>17</TD><TD>Delaware</TD><TD>39,817</TD></TR><TR><TD>18</TD><TD>Pennsylvania</TD><TD>39,578</TD></TR><TR><TD>19</TD><TD>North Dakota</TD><TD>39,530</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TD>20</TD><TD>Nevada</TD><TD>38,578</TD></TR><TR><TD>21</TD><TD>Vermont</TD><TD>38,503</TD></TR><TR><TD>22</TD><TD>Nebraska</TD><TD>38,081</TD></TR><TR><TD>23</TD><TD>Kansas</TD><TD>37,916</TD></TR><TR><TD>24</TD><TD>Florida</TD><TD>37,780</TD></TR><TR><TD>25</TD><TD>South Dakota</TD><TD>36,935</TD></TR><TR><TD>26</TD><TD>Wisconsin</TD><TD>36,822</TD></TR><TR><TD>27</TD><TD>Iowa</TD><TD>36,751</TD></TR><TR><TD>28</TD><TD>Maine</TD><TD>36,745</TD></TR><TR><TD>29</TD><TD>Texas</TD><TD>36,484</TD></TR><TR><TD>30</TD><TD>Missouri</TD><TD>35,676</TD></TR><TR><TD>31</TD><TD>Oregon</TD><TD>35,667</TD></TR><TR><TD>32</TD><TD>Louisiana</TD><TD>35,507</TD></TR><TR><TD>33</TD><TD>Ohio</TD><TD>35,381</TD></TR><TR><TD>34</TD><TD>Oklahoma</TD><TD>35,268</TD></TR><TR><TD>35</TD><TD>North Carolina</TD><TD>34,453</TD></TR><TR><TD>36</TD><TD>Tennessee</TD><TD>34,089</TD></TR><TR><TD>37</TD><TD>Michigan</TD><TD>34,025</TD></TR><TR><TD>38</TD><TD>Montana</TD><TD>34,004</TD></TR><TR><TD>39</TD><TD>Georgia</TD><TD>33,786</TD></TR><TR><TD>40</TD><TD>Indiana</TD><TD>33,725</TD></TR><TR><TD>41</TD><TD>Alabama</TD><TD>33,096</TD></TR><TR><TD>42</TD><TD>New Mexico</TD><TD>32,992</TD></TR><TR><TD>43</TD><TD>Arizona</TD><TD>32,935</TD></TR><TR><TD>44</TD><TD>West Virginia</TD><TD>32,219</TD></TR><TR><TD>45</TD><TD>Arkansas</TD><TD>31,946</TD></TR><TR><TD>46</TD><TD>Kentucky</TD><TD>31,883</TD></TR><TR><TD>47</TD><TD>South Carolina</TD><TD>31,799</TD></TR><TR><TD>48</TD><TD>Idaho</TD><TD>31,632</TD></TR><TR><TD>49</TD><TD>Utah</TD><TD>30,875</TD></TR><TR><TD>50</TD><TD>Mississippi</TD><TD>30,103</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Well looky there Jimbo!

 

[BigB98]

Per the chart, Jim, I would suggest that it's that much more depressing to think that with such success there is still such a large deficit. Seems like an opportunity lost in this last election to get some fiscal responsibility built into the process....at least the promise of change should have been attractive given the ongoing challenges in that state. Outside looking in, it looks like everyone likes lying to themselves about the fundamental realities of big government, social programs, funding illegal immigrants and the real cost of supporting them. I want a Porshe 962 from Fran....If I took Californias approach, my wife would divorce me...but the voters for some reason stand by the liberal politicians side. I don't get it, but I would like to figure out how to get my hands on the kool-aid to give it to my wife - I really do want that 962.

 

[Al Wohlstrom]

Posted by Al

Due to your rather poor history with facts, you are going to have to provide proof.

Were did you get these numbers?

When asked I always provide where I find something, you should try the same.
sunshinereview.org/index.php/California_state_budget

 

[tom pritchett]

I think that the real problem is, that in the last quite a few years, neither party has been fiscally conservative. If you find your self in a hole, quit digging. That is what the tea party has been saying. The republicans have to get back to being fiscally conservative. I know it is hard, but I sure don't see the government running its business the way I have to for my family or my business. If I ran my business just like the government, I would be cast into jail. Kind of like Bernie Madoff. Now, I know that this was about California, but all facets of government needs to cut back.

 

[Cliff Beer]

While it's clear that the intended logic with the 2001 law was that these illegals who are entitled to attend California public universities (at in-state tuition rates) have "close ties" to the State having gone to California high schools for a certain number of years and such, the fact is that their "close ties" are based on a fundamental ILLEGAL ACT of theirs, namely their breaking of US immigration laws!

It's real simple, if you want the benefits of citizenship, then you gotta respect the laws of citizenship. How can that fundamental truth not be completely obvious?

 

[Doug S.]

Posted by IanK

So Doug my friend, what the hell is it with Texas?

Our governor.....he says during the campaigns that he'll protect our borders, but once the election is over, he's back to the old plan.....complain about what Washington doesn't do, but don't tell the public that Texas doesn't have a governor with the cajones to do what Arizona's governor did!!

We need someone who has the average Texan's back....not somebody who wants to cater to the money (and we all know that a LOT of $$ comes across the border from the south!!).

Cheers from Doug!!!

 

[Ian K]

While it's clear that the intended logic with the 2001 law was that these illegals who are entitled to attend California public universities (at in-state tuition rates) have "close ties" to the State having gone to California high schools for a certain number of years and such, the fact is that their "close ties" are based on a fundamental ILLEGAL ACT of theirs, namely their breaking of US immigration laws!

It's real simple, if you want the benefits of citizenship, then you gotta respect the laws of citizenship. How can that fundamental truth not be completely obvious?

2 things to consider:

1) For most of these kids, they were not the ones who chose to break the law. It was their parents. Many of them have been in CA for most of their lives. It's hard to blame them - they did not choose the situation, and they really could not do anything to change it (other than reporting their parents to the authorities).

2) The law states that they must either be in the process of attaining legal citizenship, or will commence the process as soon as possible, under penalty of law. Basically, it's almost like an amnesty law. One that takes into consideration that the illegal in question has done something productive while here in the US, has paid sales tax, various fees associated with living in CA, and has generally contributed to the CA economy and community in a positive way. It also is intended to reap the benefits of churning out college graduates who are legal residents, which is beneficial to the long term health of CA.

I am sure the same applies to the other 10 states that enacted similar laws - including your very own Washington.

Ian

 

[Pat]

Given that government is an expense item and not an income producer, consider the following salaries, benefits, occupancy and most of all pension expense as to one of the things that may be why California is emulating Greek fiscal status.

LIST OF STATE OF CALIFORNIA AGENCIES:

California Academic Performance Index (API) * California Access for Infants and Mothers * California Acupuncture Board * California Administrative Office of the Courts * California Adoptions Branch * California African American Museum * California Agricultural Export Program * California Agricultural Labor Relations Board * California Agricultural Statistics Service * California Air Resources Board (CARB) * California Allocation Board * California Alternative Energy and Advanced Transportation Financing Authority * California Animal Health and Food Safety Services * California Anti-Terrorism Information Center * California Apprenticeship Council * California Arbitration Certification Program * California Architects Board * California Area VI Developmental Disabilities Board * California Arts Council * California Asian Pacific Islander Legislative Caucus * California Assembly Democratic Caucus * California Assembly Republican Caucus * California Athletic Commission * California Attorney General * California Bay Conservation and Development Commission * California Bay-Delta Authority * California Bay-Delta Office * California Biodiversity Council * California Board for Geologists and Geophysicists * California Board for Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors * California Board of Accountancy * California Board of Barbering and Cosmetology * California Board of Behavioral Sciences * California Board of Chiropractic Examiners * California Board of Equalization (BOE) * California Board of Forestry and Fire Protection * California Board of Guide Dogs for the Blind * California Board of Occupational Therapy * California Board of Optometry * California Board of Pharmacy * California Board of Podiatric Medicine * California Board of Prison Terms * California Board of Psychology * California Board of Registered Nursing * California Board of Trustees * California Board of Vocational Nursing and Psychiatric Technicians * California Braille and Talking Book Library * California Building Standards Commission * California Bureau for Private Postsecondary and Vocational Education * California Bureau of Automotive Repair * California Bureau of Electronic and Appliance Repair * California Bureau of Home Furnishings and Thermal Insulation * California Bureau of Naturopathic Medicine * California Bureau of Security and Investigative Services * California Bureau of State Audits * California Business Agency * California Business Investment Services (CalBIS) * California Business Permit Information (CalGOLD) * California Business Portal * California Business, Transportation and Housing Agency * California Cal Grants * California CalJOBS * California Cal-Learn Program * California CalVet Home Loan Program * California Career Resource Network * California Cemetery and Funeral Bureau * California Center for Analytical Chemistry * California Center for Distributed Learning * California Center for Teaching Careers (Teach California) * California Chancellors 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Commission * California Democratic Caucus * California Demographic Research Unit * California Dental Auxiliaries * California Department of Aging * California Department of Alcohol and Drug Programs * California Department of Alcoholic Beverage Control Appeals Board * California Department of Alcoholic Beverage Control * California Department of Boating and Waterways (Cal Boating) * California Department of Child Support Services (CDCSS) * California Department of Community Services and Development * California Department of Conservation * California Department of Consumer Affairs * California Department of Corporations * California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation * California Department of Developmental Services * California Department of Education * California Department of Fair Employment and Housing * California Department of Finance * California Department of Financial Institutions * California Department of Fish and Game * California Department of Food and 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Research * California Division of Land and Right of Way * California Division of Land Resource Protection * California Division of Law Enforcement General Library * California Division of Measurement Standards * California Division of Mines and Geology * California Division of Occupational Safety and Health (Cal/OSHA) * California Division of Oil, Gas and Geothermal Resources * California Division of Planning and Local Assistance * California Division of Recycling * California Division of Safety of Dams * California Division of the State Architect * California Division of Tourism * California Division of Workers Compensation Medical Unit * California Division of Workers Compensation * California Economic Assistance, Business and Community Resources * California Economic Strategy Panel * California Education and Training Agency * California Education Audit Appeals Panel * California Educational Facilities Authority * California Elections Division * California Electricity Oversight Board 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Controller * California State Council on Developmental Disabilities (SCDD) * California State Disability Insurance (SDI) * California State Fair (Cal Expo) * California State Jobs Employment Information * California State Lands Commission * California State Legislative Portal * California State Legislature * California State Library Catalog * California State Library Services Bureau * California State Library * California State Lottery * California State Mediation and Conciliation Service * California State Mining and Geology Board * California State Park and Recreation Commission * California State Parks * California State Personnel Board * California State Polytechnic University, Pomona * California State Railroad Museum * California State Science Fair * California State Senate * California State Summer School for Mathematics and Science (COSMOS) * California State Summer School for the Arts * California State Superintendent of Public Instruction * California State Teachers 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Commission * California Water Environment Association (COWPEA) * California Water Resources Control Board * California Welfare to Work Division * California Wetlands Information System * California Wildlife and Habitat Data Analysis Branch * California Wildlife Conservation Board * California Wildlife Programs Branch * California Work Opportunity and Responsibility to Kids (CalWORKs) * California Workers Compensation Appeals Board * California Workforce and Labor Development Agency * California Workforce Investment Board * California Youth Authority (CYA) * Central Valley Flood Protection Board * Center for California Studies * Colorado River Board of California * Counting California * Dental Board of California * Health Insurance Plan of California (PacAdvantage) * Humboldt State University * Jobs with the State of California * Judicial Council of California * Learn California * Library of California * Lieutenant Governors Commission for One California * Little Hoover Commission (on 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[Pete McCluskey.]

Crikey, and I thought we were over governed:shocked:

 

[Ian K]

Given that government is an expense item and not an income producer, consider the following salaries, benefits, occupancy and most of all pension expense as to one of the things that may be why California is emulating Greek fiscal status.

LIST OF STATE OF CALIFORNIA AGENCIES:

California Academic Performance Index (API) * California Access for Infants and Mothers * California Acupuncture Board * California Administrative Office of the Courts * California Adoptions Branch * California African American Museum * California Agricultural Export Program * California Agricultural Labor Relations Board * California Agricultural Statistics Service * California Air Resources Board (CARB) * California Allocation Board * California Alternative Energy and Advanced Transportation Financing Authority * California Animal Health and Food Safety Services * California Anti-Terrorism Information Center * California Apprenticeship Council * California Arbitration Certification Program * California Architects Board * California Area VI Developmental Disabilities Board * California Arts Council * California Asian Pacific Islander Legislative Caucus * California Assembly Democratic Caucus * California Assembly Republican Caucus * California Athletic Commission * California Attorney 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California State Government Organization and Economy) * Medical Board of California * Medi-Cal * Osteopathic Medical Board of California * Physical Therapy Board of California * Regents of the University of California * San Diego State University * San Francisco State University * San Jose State University * Santa Monica Mountains Conservancy * State Bar of California * Supreme Court of California * Teach California * University of California * University of California, Berkeley * University of California, Davis * University of California, Hastings College of the Law * University of California, Irvine * University of California, Los Angeles * University of California, Merced * University of California, Riverside * University of California, San Diego * University of California, San Francisco * University of California, Santa Barbara * University of California, Santa Cruz * Veterans Home of California

I know for a fact that not all of the listed agencies are 100% funded by the state. Also, some of the listed agencies are comprised of people who already hold other positions (the Regents of the University of California for example - which also are forbidden from any compensation for being a Regent). And, as far as the pension plans for the University of California (UCRS), the state has not paid any money into it for at least a 20 years.

 

[Pat]

Ian, please don't tell me you actually believe the State of California is fiscally responsible and you believe there is no redundancy between any of those agencies. The numbers you mention don't even account for a rounding error in the California state budget.
I'm also sure that each agency on that list has a fund site from the state and costs taxpayers money. Just as I'm sure there is redundancy and waste...

If you want to go into the weeds, how many thousands of CA state employee double dip? I didn't mention employees that have retired from one agency drawing a pension and now pull a salary from another.

Just one example from the Sacramento Bee:

Across California, retired state and local government workers who voluntarily retired, went back to work part time in their old jobs – collecting both a government pension and a government paycheck – then in a trifecta of taxpayer abuse, when they lost that second job during government budget cuts, under state law, many of those pensioners now qualify for unemployment benefits. In California alone, nearly 10,000 retirees will get pension checks totaling at least $100,000 this year.

Wall Street analyst Meredith Whitney correctly predicted the need for a government bailout of banks three years ago, so people listened in September when she forecast who will be next to beg for a federal bailout: States like California, New Jersey and Ohio. State and local governments have effectively run up huge credit card bills, and soon won’t even be able to make the minimum payments on that debt. What happens then? Middle America, Whitney predicted in a report called “Tragedy of the Commons,” might revolt at the idea at bailing out coastal states for years of mismanagement and overspending.

California, a national leader in so many ways – the largest budget deficit, the worst global warming law, etc. – has to settle for being a runner-up in at least one category: It’s got the third worst unemployment rate of all 50 states. The Bureau of Labor Statistics says the Golden State’s 12.4 percent unemployment rate for August was the nation’s third highest.

There is potential relief though. SB 1425 prohibits a retiree from returning to work while collecting state retirement, or as a contract employee, for six months after retirement, and imposes new pension spiking controls on both the California Public Employees Retirement System and the California State Teachers Retirement System. It will be a measure of your state's desire to get it's house in order as to whether is passes or not.

I find the idea of my taxes subsidizing California excesses pretty revolting already...

 

[Howard Jones]

Well boys it's kinda like this................ We have been heading for the rocks for years, a couple of weeks ago we drove off the Cliff, and most people out here think its a pretty view.

Most of them are blind or at best nearsighted (I think that's the right term but I can never remember which is which). We'll see how it goes when we get a little closer to the ground.

 

[Pat]

Frightenly well put Howard.
Hell, even Linda Rondstadt dumped Jerry Brown and her politics make Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin look like Karl Rove...

 

[Cliff Beer]

2 things to consider:

1) For most of these kids, they were not the ones who chose to break the law. It was their parents. Many of them have been in CA for most of their lives. It's hard to blame them - they did not choose the situation, and they really could not do anything to change it (other than reporting their parents to the authorities).

2) The law states that they must either be in the process of attaining legal citizenship, or will commence the process as soon as possible, under penalty of law. Basically, it's almost like an amnesty law. One that takes into consideration that the illegal in question has done something productive while here in the US, has paid sales tax, various fees associated with living in CA, and has generally contributed to the CA economy and community in a positive way. It also is intended to reap the benefits of churning out college graduates who are legal residents, which is beneficial to the long term health of CA.

I am sure the same applies to the other 10 states that enacted similar laws - including your very own Washington.

Ian

Ian,

1. You're absolutely right, it's likely that these are the children of people who chose to break the law (US immigration law). But this isn't about blame, it's about leaving in place the proper incentives to change bad behavior and not break (US immigration) laws in the future. In other words, keep in place the incentives to become legitimate and legal (lower tuition rates) so that citizens a) observe and respect the law, and b) are more likely to be tax payers who are on the radar for all legal purposes.

2. Good luck with that. People sign all kinds of things and either a) don't bother to read what they're signing, b) sign with absolutely no intention of following through, or c) sign but lack the minimal initiative to actually get it done. This seems to be more the rule than the exception these days.

Yup, no doubt you're right that other States laws and background facts reflect similar dynamics.

I still don't get it.

 

[Howard Jones]

The rest of you guys better keep an eye of Calif. We are the future if amnesty is made nationally. The left is trying to change the voter demographic. If you can bring in enough illegals and put them on the taker side of the ledger like they have in California then it's just a matter of time before the Makers are paying all they make to support the takers.

The CURRENT tax laws result in 48% of Americans not paying taxes. How much do you want to bet it's more than 50% here in California. How many illegals would it take to swing that number 3%. Then how long after that would it take to pass laws to throw open the border.

If that happens you won't be wondering whats wrong with California..............you will want to know what's wrong with America. Once we go you all go.

About 68-70 million people vote. An addition of 3% more on the left would only be 2 or 3 million. Hell there's 20 million illegals here already. The left will only need 10% of them!

 

[Ian K]

Ian, please don't tell me you actually believe the State of California is fiscally responsible and you believe there is no redundancy between any of those agencies. The numbers you mention don't even account for a rounding error in the California state budget.
I'm also sure that each agency on that list has a fund site from the state and costs taxpayers money. Just as I'm sure there is redundancy and waste...

If you want to go into the weeds, how many thousands of CA state employee double dip? I didn't mention employees that have retired from one agency drawing a pension and now pull a salary from another.

I'm not saying there isn't a problem, nor that there isn't any abuse. Hell, look at the GOP candidate for Attorney General, Steve Cooley, who stated during a debate that he has a right to collect his pension from being LA District Attorney while serving as State Attorney General because, and I quote Cooley himself:

Yes, I do. I earned it. I definitely earned whatever pension rights I have and I will certainly rely upon that to supplement the very low, incredibly low, salary that's paid to the state attorney general.

Note - the "very low, incredibly low, salary" is $150K.

What I am saying is that entire list is not necessarily paid for by CA taxes, either completely, in part, or significantly, nor should that entire list be blanketed under the same issues. For example, UC has already addressed the issue of retirees going back to work part time or under a contractual basis - they have already implemented a 6 month ban as SB1425 proposes. But, to list all of those state agencies and suggest that all are funded by the state is incorrect. And, while there is definitely some double dipping, it is not true in every case.

Is California fiscally responsible? No, of course not. Unfortunately, there were some very bad decisions made decades ago that have landed California where it is today.

Ian

 

[Ian K]

Cliff,

But this isn't about blame, it's about leaving in place the proper incentives to change bad behavior and not break (US immigration) laws in the future. In other words, keep in place the incentives to become legitimate and legal (lower tuition rates) so that citizens a) observe and respect the law, and b) are more likely to be tax payers who are on the radar for all legal purposes.

Isn't this exactly what this bill attempts to do? Sure sounds like it. Which is why it is in place.

Ian

 

[Jim Craik]

1. One out of every eight United States residents lives in California.
2. California is the first state to ever reach a trillion dollar economy in gross state product.
3. California has the largest economy in the states of the union.
4. If California's economic size were measured by itself to other countries, it would rank the 7th largest economy in the world.
5. Los Angeles is ranked the fourth largest economy in the United States compared to other states.

Veek,

California is a very very large, diverse state.

I Googled budget deficit by state....................

As you know deficit numbers are all over the board.

These are taken from the same source:

Estimates for year 2011
California's budget short fall................ 21.6%
Florida's budget short fall................... 20.2%

Please tell us more about phisical responsibility.