Mk2 and P4 at RCR HQ DELIVERED
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Re: I saw you lurking tonight, too !
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Because I knew you would do it for me..... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beerchug.gif
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WRONG ... Fran ! Get in there and post something. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beat.gif PULEEZZZ /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flehan.gif
You don't even need to re-size your 640x480 photos either. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
I promise not to say anything about the T70 wheels in there ! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
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Because I knew you would do it for me..... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beerchug.gif
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WRONG ... Fran ! Get in there and post something. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beat.gif PULEEZZZ /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flehan.gif
You don't even need to re-size your 640x480 photos either. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
I promise not to say anything about the T70 wheels in there ! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
I dont lurk.....I view...English you know!!!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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How many P4 replicas are there running around on the planet?
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A lot less than there are GT40 replicas, Ron ! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I've got just almost exactly a round 100 logged in my register now, worldwide, including cars still being built.
Needless to say they're mostly Noble(s) and Foreman(s). A sprinkling of Norwood(s) and other ally-bodied exotica, and then there's all the one-offs, like that GTD40 chassied hybrid with the modded Noble P4 bodywork, in France ....
Oh Yeh - and Fran Hall's RCR P4 he's just delivered /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
How many P4 replicas are there running around on the planet?
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A lot less than there are GT40 replicas, Ron ! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I've got just almost exactly a round 100 logged in my register now, worldwide, including cars still being built.
Needless to say they're mostly Noble(s) and Foreman(s). A sprinkling of Norwood(s) and other ally-bodied exotica, and then there's all the one-offs, like that GTD40 chassied hybrid with the modded Noble P4 bodywork, in France ....
Oh Yeh - and Fran Hall's RCR P4 he's just delivered /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Then the P4 replica ratio is a lot more than the GT40 replica ratio to real cars built.
Roughly three pure P4's plus one 0845 P3 officially converted into the P4 Spyder. As against all variants of the GT40 about 130.
Its great to see!!
Regards Allan
Roughly three pure P4's plus one 0845 P3 officially converted into the P4 Spyder. As against all variants of the GT40 about 130.
Its great to see!!
Regards Allan
Re: Real to Replica Ratios
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Roughly three pure P4's plus one 0846 P3 officially converted into the P4 Spyder
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Allan.
Let me reduce our (adverse) real cars : replicas ratio by 50% at a stroke ! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
If you're going to include all variants of GT40, then we should also include the 'customer version' P4's - the 412P's:
Ferrari chassis #0844; #0848; #0850 and #0854 - making 8 original cars.
Hmmm. That's still a ratio of 1:12. Still not good ! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
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Roughly three pure P4's plus one 0846 P3 officially converted into the P4 Spyder
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Allan.
Let me reduce our (adverse) real cars : replicas ratio by 50% at a stroke ! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
If you're going to include all variants of GT40, then we should also include the 'customer version' P4's - the 412P's:
Ferrari chassis #0844; #0848; #0850 and #0854 - making 8 original cars.
Hmmm. That's still a ratio of 1:12. Still not good ! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
Re: Ferrari P4 replicas - choice of motive power ?
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What sort of engines to people normally fit in a P4 replicas?
[/ QUOTE ]We’ll have to be careful not to hi-jack Fran’s thread, here, Joe – we’re wondering slightly off topic. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/offtopic.gif
Unfortunately, most people of ‘normal’ means, wanting to build or own a Ferrari P4 replica, usually can’t afford to run to the expense of installing and running a Ferrari V-12. In this respect, in terms of achieving ‘some sort of accuracy’, regarding ‘correct’ choice of engine, things are so much easier for you GT40 / Cobra / Lola T70 replica builders, with the lower cost and ready availability of Ford and Chevy V-8’s.
So what do we use ? Well, first of all, you don’t always necessarily want to believe what to read on the ‘Net …
Such as this: http://www.p4replica.com which is WELL out of date /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif (For 30 now read 100). /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
.... or this quote from: http://www.noblecars.com/marque.htm
“Lee (Noble) introduced a replica of the Ferrari P4, which proved an even greater success with <font color="red">more than 250</font> /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon_bs.gif produced, all powered by the Chevrolet V8”
As far as I have been able to ascertain, the majority of Noble P4’s (and a LOT less than the number quoted above) were built or supplied to take the Renault PRV V-6 – as was the original Ultima, when Lee was producing it. Some people later fitted Cosworth Turbo’s; a few also got Turbo versions of the PRV V-6; Rover-Buick V-8s; Chevy V-8’s and a handful got Ferrari V-8’s – usually from 308’s (fitted inline with Porsche or ZF transmissions, as opposed to Renault). One originally PRV V-6 powered Noble P4, in Japan, has been upgraded to Ferrari 348 V-8 (which is a relatively easy fit, with it’s ‘ready to install’ inline configuration). Then there are other odd engines occasionally used like Alfa V-6’s, in one or two cars – dare I even mention that there’s a Noble P4 in Germany fitted with a <font color="red">FORD Cleveland 351ci V-8 !</font> Talk about sacrilege ! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/soapbox.gif
Neil Foreman also (totally) rebuilt one Noble P4 with a Lamborghini V-12 and Porsche G50 transmission.
The Foreman P4’s seem to be an eclectic mix, so far. Neil likes the Chevy V-8, and so quite a few owners have gone that route. The Renault PRV V-6 is still a popular choice, in both normal injected and Turbo form. A couple of people are using the Ferrari 348 V-8 (which can also be sourced more cheaply from the less-loved Ferrari Mondial T). Neil Foreman has also built 3 cars (including his own Can-Am demonstrator) using Ferrari 400GT/400i V-12’s.
Then of course there are the aluminium-bodied Norwood P4’s, and other ‘hand-builts’, with Ferrari V-12’s of one sort or another, but we’re talking less than a dozen cars, worldwide, and that’s getting into millionaire’s territory !
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I have seen the odd Lancia Thema 832 come up for sale, with some fettling that would be a nice lump to put in one, has this conversion ever been done according to your records.
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The 8-32 is possibly a cheap way of getting Ferrari V-8 power, Joe, but it will still have the same re-build / repair costs as any other Ferrari V8, should anything go wrong. Unless you were considering using this motor transversely (as also is the case with the Ferrari 308/328 motors) in a chassis of your own design, then you’d still need to source and fit an inline transmission. As far as I know, nobody has used the 8-32, nor is planning to. Personally, if asked by any owner who was considering going the Ferrari V-8 route, then I’d recommend the 348 engine and gearbox combo as the easiest (if not initially the cheapest) way to go.
Here’s a link to a well-documented build of such a car: http://www.collinsclan.co.uk/Pages/Cars/P4/P4.html
Sadly, Mark Collins’ P4 caught fire at a shakedown run at a track day, a couple of weeks after passing SVA – and was totalled. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
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What sort of engines to people normally fit in a P4 replicas?
[/ QUOTE ]We’ll have to be careful not to hi-jack Fran’s thread, here, Joe – we’re wondering slightly off topic. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/offtopic.gif
Unfortunately, most people of ‘normal’ means, wanting to build or own a Ferrari P4 replica, usually can’t afford to run to the expense of installing and running a Ferrari V-12. In this respect, in terms of achieving ‘some sort of accuracy’, regarding ‘correct’ choice of engine, things are so much easier for you GT40 / Cobra / Lola T70 replica builders, with the lower cost and ready availability of Ford and Chevy V-8’s.
So what do we use ? Well, first of all, you don’t always necessarily want to believe what to read on the ‘Net …
Such as this: http://www.p4replica.com which is WELL out of date /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif (For 30 now read 100). /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
.... or this quote from: http://www.noblecars.com/marque.htm
“Lee (Noble) introduced a replica of the Ferrari P4, which proved an even greater success with <font color="red">more than 250</font> /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon_bs.gif produced, all powered by the Chevrolet V8”
As far as I have been able to ascertain, the majority of Noble P4’s (and a LOT less than the number quoted above) were built or supplied to take the Renault PRV V-6 – as was the original Ultima, when Lee was producing it. Some people later fitted Cosworth Turbo’s; a few also got Turbo versions of the PRV V-6; Rover-Buick V-8s; Chevy V-8’s and a handful got Ferrari V-8’s – usually from 308’s (fitted inline with Porsche or ZF transmissions, as opposed to Renault). One originally PRV V-6 powered Noble P4, in Japan, has been upgraded to Ferrari 348 V-8 (which is a relatively easy fit, with it’s ‘ready to install’ inline configuration). Then there are other odd engines occasionally used like Alfa V-6’s, in one or two cars – dare I even mention that there’s a Noble P4 in Germany fitted with a <font color="red">FORD Cleveland 351ci V-8 !</font> Talk about sacrilege ! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/soapbox.gif
Neil Foreman also (totally) rebuilt one Noble P4 with a Lamborghini V-12 and Porsche G50 transmission.
The Foreman P4’s seem to be an eclectic mix, so far. Neil likes the Chevy V-8, and so quite a few owners have gone that route. The Renault PRV V-6 is still a popular choice, in both normal injected and Turbo form. A couple of people are using the Ferrari 348 V-8 (which can also be sourced more cheaply from the less-loved Ferrari Mondial T). Neil Foreman has also built 3 cars (including his own Can-Am demonstrator) using Ferrari 400GT/400i V-12’s.
Then of course there are the aluminium-bodied Norwood P4’s, and other ‘hand-builts’, with Ferrari V-12’s of one sort or another, but we’re talking less than a dozen cars, worldwide, and that’s getting into millionaire’s territory !
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I have seen the odd Lancia Thema 832 come up for sale, with some fettling that would be a nice lump to put in one, has this conversion ever been done according to your records.
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The 8-32 is possibly a cheap way of getting Ferrari V-8 power, Joe, but it will still have the same re-build / repair costs as any other Ferrari V8, should anything go wrong. Unless you were considering using this motor transversely (as also is the case with the Ferrari 308/328 motors) in a chassis of your own design, then you’d still need to source and fit an inline transmission. As far as I know, nobody has used the 8-32, nor is planning to. Personally, if asked by any owner who was considering going the Ferrari V-8 route, then I’d recommend the 348 engine and gearbox combo as the easiest (if not initially the cheapest) way to go.
Here’s a link to a well-documented build of such a car: http://www.collinsclan.co.uk/Pages/Cars/P4/P4.html
Sadly, Mark Collins’ P4 caught fire at a shakedown run at a track day, a couple of weeks after passing SVA – and was totalled. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
Brian Hamilton
I'm on the verge of touching myself inappropriatel
Hahahaha. I saw that yesterday, I laughed so hard. My wife was sitting behind me on the couch and was wondering what I was laughing at. I showed her and told her what forum I was on and then she started laughing.
Oh man, good stuff...
Oh man, good stuff...
You mean the p0rn post?
If so, haha, I saw that one too. I'm sad it's gone - now I have to remember to pull up my pants when viewing this site .... it's just so much easier to leave them off when surfing the internets these days :laugh:
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