NO new ICE cars registered after 2030 ?

[Steve Dean]

Hi Everyone,
I'm back from our tour around Utah & Arizona. So, tomorrow (10th May) I'll be at the open day at AK Sportscars in Peterborough (UK) and will chat with Jon & Neil to see if they have had any official communication and to get their view on the 2030 situation.
We had an absolute ball on our trip. Met up with loads of car guys (& girls) and had really enjoyable conversations. I still can't get my head around the lack of speed cameras. Here in the UK it is getting worse by the day ...... we desperately need a political revolution (revolt) !!!!!!
Steve.

 

[Stephen Ducker]

UK update from last month

Backing British business: Prime Minister unveils plan to support carmakers

The Zero Emission Vehicle Mandate will be changed to make it easier for industry to upgrade to make electric vehicles.

www.gov.uk

 

[Steve Dean]

UK update from last month

Backing British business: Prime Minister unveils plan to support carmakers

The Zero Emission Vehicle Mandate will be changed to make it easier for industry to upgrade to make electric vehicles.

www.gov.uk

 

[Steve Dean]

Hi Stephen,
Thank you very much for posting the Press Release. I have communicated it to Jon & Neil at AK Sportscars this morning.
It is very interesting that it references both McLaren and Aston Martin as examples of companies who will exempted without any mention of volumes per annum.
I can confirm that AK (like everyone else) have not received any official communication.
There also appears to be a situation whereby the DVSA will no longer accept an Engine Dating Certificate as proof of the year of manufacture of a cylinder block. Jon at AK is involved with further dialogue with the DVSA as to use his words, it's like an official saying they will not accept a Birth Certificate to prove your age!

 

[Stephen Ducker]

There is no word big enough to describe the mess that the politicians & pen pushers have created........
There is a glimmer of hope for Alvis, Morgan, Caterham etc. but the later pair have already spent money developing electric models.

 

[Steve Dean]

Hi All,
No real news, however, the current government are making noises about aligning UK car legislation with that of the EU. That would make Lane Assist, Parking Assist, etc, etc, a requirement on all new UK cars. That would almost certainly kill off the UK 'kit car' industry.
It would also entail a massive re-write of the IVA test requirements. Given that there is only 4 years & 5 months remaining to register an ICE powered car it seems unlikely that this re-write would actually happen.
So what will happen? Your guess is as good as mine ...... unless you happen to work in the Department of Transport.
As usual in this thread, none of our friends in the trade have received any communication.
If you have any factual information please share it.
Steve.

 

[Steve Dean]

A further update to what I wrote just a few hours ago. There has been a statement today using the words, "it should be explicitly understood that the government intend to align with EU car legislation". It went on to mention the inclusion of automatic emergency dialling and even 'black box' breathalyser systems in all new cars (once this is adopted in the EU). The 'black box' system will not allow the car to be started until the breathalyser has been used.

 

[Stuart Hardman]

Following

 

[Stuart Hardman]

I reached out to a contact I have at the IVA technical team and asked what his thoughts were and if he was aware of reviews.


Good morning Mr Hardman, thank you for your email.



I am personally not aware of any Government review of any IVA scheme and/or intentions to draw it to a close.



Indeed, many other EU countries also have their own IVA schemes, and all cater for a wide range of vehicles, notjust cars.



However, that is not to say that it can’t happen – but it is unlikely that we would know any sooner than anyone else. You may be better enquiring directly to DfT, as it is they who would be responsible for any review.



Apologies for not providing a more robust response on this occasion.



Regards,



Stuat | DVSA Vehicle Approvals Technical Engineer


Driver and Vehicle Standards Agency | Ellipse, Padley Road, Swansea, SA1 8AN

 

[Stuart Hardman]

The rumour mill tends to work quite well
In this sort of organisation. This would suggest to me there is nothing formal right now. Subject to change.

 

[Steve Dean]

Hi everyone ....... virtually a year has passed since any of us have added to this thread so it's time for a few words. Having been round the loop with the usual people, surprise, surprise no one has had a single word from official sources. We now have 3 years and 6 months to go before 2030 arrives and the political landscape is getting even more confusing. Currently there appears to be lots of talk (probably fanned by the media) regarding attempting to reverse Brexit or at least align more with EU regulation. In the meantime the EU is planning even further electronic crap being mandatory in new vehicles.
To my surprise the UK kit car manufacturers still believe there will be some form of 'Low Volume Manufacture' exemption, despite there not even being the beginnings of any discussion, consultation or communication. With such a short time period remaining I can't believe they are acting so naively. It appears they are frightened (which I understand) from asking any questions. They hope that the likes of Aston Martin, McLaren, etc will seek a resolution that results in some form of 'Low Volume' situation and that the kit car producers will be able to ride on the back of this.
To be blunt ...... everyone is rushing towards the cliff edge hoping it will turn out OK. I appreciate the wishful thinking BUT that's not a good business proposition.
I look forward to the day I can hopefully announce some positive information but currently all I hear is silence.
As usual, If you hear of any factual input please share it. In the meantime, if you are mid-build, then I urge you to get your car through IVA as soon as possible (as some people on the build threads are now doing).
Best regards
Steve.

 

[Rob Klein]

I love it when they say zero emissions, because they are not. The emissions it takes to build the cars, batteries ect.... let alone you cant really recycle anything on the car. makes zero sense to me, its just moving the emissions from one column to another.

 

[Devin]

I hope almost all folks in this group realize that it’s really not about the emissions, carbon or “climate change”. Just look at all the resources, energy and water that will be needed for all of these “AI data centers” that are going up across the world. If our governments were truly concerned with the “environment” these things would be better regulated and a cohesive plan developed for where and how many of these GIGAWATT and millions of gallons of water they consume and would field a study on how many of these centers society actually need. You all obviously draw your own conclusions, I have mine and am going the opposite direction as I get older and wiser. BTW, my build will be a computerless carburetor high performance engine without any GPS or satellite tracking unless I’m carrying my cellphone at the time (will gladly ditch it if the wife would agree).

 

[Neil]

I hope almost all folks in this group realize that it’s really not about the emissions, carbon or “climate change”. Just look at all the resources, energy and water that will be needed for all of these “AI data centers” that are going up across the world. If our governments were truly concerned with the “environment” these things would be better regulated and a cohesive plan developed for where and how many of these GIGAWATT and millions of gallons of water they consume and would field a study on how many of these centers society actually need. You all obviously draw your own conclusions, I have mine and am going the opposite direction as I get older and wiser. BTW, my build will be a computerless carburetor high performance engine without any GPS or satellite tracking unless I’m carrying my cellphone at the time (will gladly ditch it if the wife would agree).

Those “AI data centers”don't make the water disappear, it is simply used for cooling. Some water will be evaporated into the atmosphere but we receive it back in the form of rain. There are far too many "activists" trying to convince us that "the sky is falling!"

 

[Devin]

Those “AI data centers”don't make the water disappear, it is simply used for cooling. Some water will be evaporated into the atmosphere but we receive it back in the form of rain. There are far too many "activists" trying to convince us that "the sky is falling!"

You’re right, the water doesn’t disappear off of the earth but in West Texas we are always in a drought and not enough water in our local supply to go around & to normal household use anyways so the large new customers (we have at least 3 huge centers within a 90 mile radius being built) competing for an already short supply will lead to even more water restrictions to stress the local population. There has been NO promises of any used or lost water to be cleaned and recycled back to our local water supply despite it being a “closed loop system” that will need maintenance and periodic replenishment of those millions of gallons. Again, no promises to make their facility water neutral, low impact or even minimal impact to the community.

 

[Bill Kearley]

As I said in another post , global warming is a hoax.
Simply put . There are to many humans living on this planet !

 

[Jerry Irwin]

Okay chaps......
lets not go off the subject.....
this is all about ICE ending in 2030 ?
Jeremy

 

[Devin]

Okay chaps......
lets not go off the subject.....
this is all about ICE ending in 2030 ?
Jeremy

Jeremy, rest your worries…isn’t going to happen in our lifetime in any country that values their economy. No way to force the majority to give up their freedom of choice and freedom of movement. Besides, there isn’t a good (and environmental) way to replace all the lorries & trucks that make the worlds service, manufacturing, agricultural and small business industries continue to operate. Electrics have their place but none of these people & businesses that operate long hours, heavy loads, and long distances will accept (nor see their businesses fail) having to wait 30+minutes for a recharge in the middle of working hours…assuming they can make it to an available charger near their low battery state. The infrastructure is also a limiting factor as well as the electrical grid.

 

[Steve Dean]

Hi Devin ....... I appreciate your positive view but you do live in a country with a President who keeps stating that coal is a clean fuel !!!!
Here in the UK the concept of Net Zero is being pursued with vigour. All the counter points and the fact that our emissions are one of the lowest in the world (accepting that we have to believe all published data), makes no difference, the concept of net zero is very high on the political agenda. The current Labour government keeps re-enforcing it's position that no new internal combustion engine cars will be able to be registered as from 2030.
The average American (and other nationalities) have no concept of what it's like here in the UK now. Speed cameras are now absolutely everywhere. On most UK motorways (Interstates) cameras are on gantries across all lanes at typically quarter mile intervals. Most roads with speed limits of 20, 30, 40, 50 and 60 MPH have cameras on them. YOU would hate it!
As I have mentioned on this forum, I spent most of March/April last year driving in Arizona. It was truly fantastic ..... didn't see a camera anywhere.
If I could roll 20 years off my age I would move to Arizona ....... yee haaa, maybe you can talk up Texas to me (I have visited several times).
Cheers
Steve.

 

[Malcolm]

"Speed cameras are now absolutely everywhere. On most UK motorways (Interstates) cameras are on gantries across all lanes at typically quarter mile intervals. Most roads with speed limits of 20, 30, 40, 50 and 60 MPH have cameras on them."

What rubbish! Cameras do exist here but not at this stated intensity.