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Andrew Napolitano speaks
Absolutely one of the best presentations in a long time ----absolutely truthful. Andrew P. Napolitano is a 59 year old former New Jersey Superior Court Judge.
He is a graduate of Princeton University, and Notre Dame Law School.
At Princeton he was a founding member of the Concerned Alumni of Princeton, along with Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito.
Judge Napolitano is the youngest life-tenured Superior Court Judge in the history of the State of New Jersey. Click below and listen to Judge Napolitano's important message to all Americans.
YouTube - Judge Andrew Napolitano Natural rights Patriot Act - Part 3 of 3
Absolutely one of the best presentations in a long time ----absolutely truthful. Andrew P. Napolitano is a 59 year old former New Jersey Superior Court Judge.
He is a graduate of Princeton University, and Notre Dame Law School.
At Princeton he was a founding member of the Concerned Alumni of Princeton, along with Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito.
Judge Napolitano is the youngest life-tenured Superior Court Judge in the history of the State of New Jersey. Click below and listen to Judge Napolitano's important message to all Americans.
YouTube - Judge Andrew Napolitano Natural rights Patriot Act - Part 3 of 3
OBOWMA must think that we are complete idiots, this from his talk with Charlie Gibson
“If we don't pass it, here's the guarantee….your premiums will go up, your employers are going to load up more costs on you,” he said. “Potentially they're going to drop your coverage, because they just can't afford an increase of 25 percent, 30 percent in terms of the costs of providing health care to employees each and every year. “
The president said that the costs of Medicare and Medicaid are on an “unsustainable” trajectory and if there is no action taken to bring them down, “the federal government will go bankrupt.”
“This actually provides us the best chance of starting to bend the cost curve on the government expenditures in Medicare and Medicaid,”
Then he jets to copenhagen in a blizzard to talk about global warming and pledges $10 billion a year for global warming. I wonder what our creditor China thinks about this!
Excuse me, I just maxed out all of my credit cards, but I pledge to give the leaches of the world $10 billion a year, we have some hard working suckers that won't mind the sacrifice!
“If we don't pass it, here's the guarantee….your premiums will go up, your employers are going to load up more costs on you,” he said. “Potentially they're going to drop your coverage, because they just can't afford an increase of 25 percent, 30 percent in terms of the costs of providing health care to employees each and every year. “
The president said that the costs of Medicare and Medicaid are on an “unsustainable” trajectory and if there is no action taken to bring them down, “the federal government will go bankrupt.”
“This actually provides us the best chance of starting to bend the cost curve on the government expenditures in Medicare and Medicaid,”
Then he jets to copenhagen in a blizzard to talk about global warming and pledges $10 billion a year for global warming. I wonder what our creditor China thinks about this!
Excuse me, I just maxed out all of my credit cards, but I pledge to give the leaches of the world $10 billion a year, we have some hard working suckers that won't mind the sacrifice!
What a complete farce! What's happening in the senate would land any one of us in jail. Bribery at it's best! What a bunch of spineless bastards! I hope these guys have another job skill, after November 2110 they are going to need it! Nelson is worried about abortion, he is one!
That says it all, that's what America is all about! It's not sitting around waiting for government to take care of you, it's getting out there and taking care your family and yourself, and if your fortunate enough to do well, help others in the process.
Al, have you forgotten what the Republicans did during the GeeDub administration, when they had control of the congress and the White House?
It's just more business as usual, hasn't changed other than to make the Democrats the villains this time.
Until we have a viable 3rd party in the U.S., we won't be able to break the cycle......sadly.
Doug
Al,
If only that were true, to me most research, and personal experience, shows the opposite, the "widow and the two mites syndrome" ?.
The myth is that people with the most money are the most generous. While the rich give more in total dollars, low-income people give almost 30 percent more as a share of their income.
From the book who really cares, "the most charitable people in America today, are the working poor". Although this book's research is considered by some to be a little "flaky" it appears to be backed up by others
The CAF (Charities Aid Foundation) says, "The average annual donation
per UK adult for 2004/05 was £170.02."
This suggests an average donation of about 0.8% of annual income.
" . . . amongst households who donate, the poorest fifth, who cannot
really afford it, give on average 3% of their household expenditure
while the richest 20%, who can afford it, give only 0.7%.
(A Lot of Give? ? trends in
charitable giving for the 21st century?,
written by Catherine Walker & Cathy Pharoah,
published by Hodder and Stoughton, 2002)"
Regards
Nick
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I've noticed the same thing, Nick. It seems the poor understand how painfully unpleasant that can be and therefore understand the need to help others more.
I constantly ask my "conservative" friends, "How much is enough? How rich do you need to be before it is enough?" I admire people like Bill Gates and Brad Pitt/Angelina Jolie who give large sums to charity, they seem to get it that we're all in this together. They seemed to get the idea long ago that they had enough and others don't, so they are doing something to help. God bless them and those others like them, but God bless the poor, especially, for they understand like none of the wealthy can.
Doug
I think the point was lost, we need less government not more! We need to help people to help themselves, not enable them through welfare and social programs. We have created millions of people that have learned that money is made through welfare by producing more children who grow up with the same work ethic. It's not wrong to pay your own way through work, I don't want the government providing for me. What's wrong with that?
There is nothing wrong with working hard and being rich. Liberals see this as a character flaw, it's not, it's what's made this country great. Anyone can be wealthy. You can be as wealthy as you want to be, there is nothing wrong with that. If you are happy with your station in life, then stay there, if not, work harder. In Tucson I see hard working Mexicans that are new to this country that are doing very well because of their work ethic. The more power to them. Why should they give their wealth to someone that is healthy and not working. Redistribution of wealth is BS. If you work for it, you should be able to keep it.
Nope, nothing wrong with working hard and being rich, IMHO that is, in fact, admirable.....the character flaw is being greedy, or putting it another way, not knowing when enough is enough. I came from a very poor family, worked my way through college by washing pots and pans in a dormitory food service/kitchen. After I got my M.S. degree and started earning a decent living, you might think I'd have turned my back on those hard times, but that's not the case. My schools always had fundraisers, carnivals, etc., and there was always food prepared and cooked in the kitchen. The Principal always wanted me to be the Master of Ceremonies, so to speak, b/c I seem to be good addressing large groups. I always refused, always signed up to wash the pots and pans. One year she asked why, so I told her--I never want to forget what it felt like to watch others, who had way more than they needed, from within the chains of poverty. I wash those pots and pans b/c I never want to forget how hard I had to work to escape those chains, never want to feel that I am better in any way than those who find themselves so entrapped.
Being generous is not a character flaw, either, yet in my observation so many of the well off seem to think that helping those who are down isn't their job.....how many times have I heard the same old lines, welfare is just a gift to those who don't want to work, yada-yada-yada. Try living off welfare someday, you'll want to get off VERY quickly. Fortunately, I always seemed to earn enough that I didn't need welfare, but a bunch of my friends have needed it and they were miserable every second. They were so ashamed to even need the help, and offended that they had to endure the ridicule of those who don't need it. It's like adding insult to injury.
The pendulum swings, it's just nature, and I, for one, am not at all sad to see that the current administration is hoping to help those who cannot afford to purchase health care (that is what this thread is about, isn't it?) get the coverage that might help them avoid an early demise. IMHO asking those who earn over $200,000 a year to pay a paltry portion of their income to help that unfortunate population isn't wrong, no matter how much those fortunate individuals feel the same as you, Al, that if you earned it you ought to be able to keep it.
A bit of empathy is a good thing, now and then, and not a character flaw, either.
Doug
The upper 50% of the wage earners pay @97% of all tax collections, and the lower ones only @3%. The upper of the upper pay a disproportionate share of that too, the Top 1% of earners = 37% of taxes paid.
I would say that even before giving to charities, that the rich carry a hefty tax load for the less fortunate. If greed drives someone to work harder, make more, pay more taxes, they should still be able to keep what's left, whatever the motivation. 37% of taxes paid is one heck of a lot of money! Giving to charity is a choice, not to be decided by you, the government, or anyone else. Having said that, I believe that giving back is commendable but not compulsory.
I would say that even before giving to charities, that the rich carry a hefty tax load for the less fortunate. If greed drives someone to work harder, make more, pay more taxes, they should still be able to keep what's left, whatever the motivation. 37% of taxes paid is one heck of a lot of money! Giving to charity is a choice, not to be decided by you, the government, or anyone else. Having said that, I believe that giving back is commendable but not compulsory.
Doug,
"Try living off welfare someday" in the UK the current job seekers allowance for a single unemployed young man is around $90 a week, not exactly a lot.
Al
"Top 1% of earners = 37% of taxes paid" can't comment on the US but in the UK the top 1% will be using accountants, offshore funds, expenses claims and any other means to offset and reduce their tax burden.
Was it not one of the top US earners who stated "only the little people pay taxes"
Regards
Nick
"Try living off welfare someday" in the UK the current job seekers allowance for a single unemployed young man is around $90 a week, not exactly a lot.
Al
"Top 1% of earners = 37% of taxes paid" can't comment on the US but in the UK the top 1% will be using accountants, offshore funds, expenses claims and any other means to offset and reduce their tax burden.
Was it not one of the top US earners who stated "only the little people pay taxes"
Regards
Nick
Define "Personal Property". Precisely what rights of ownership do these words convey? Then expand with who, if anyone or entity, has the 'right' to mandate what you can or cannot do with said property? And where does it end?
Along with the rest of our tax payers, I believe in charity, tutor at an inner city school, cook for the homeless etc. Why? Because it's my choice. Now some rich and greedy bastard may have all the blessings in the world and refuse to share or help the needy, and I would think very poorly of him, HOWEVER, I can not argue that he has that right. Period. No one has the right to tell you what you "should" do with your property. That is between you and God! Our taxes are the end result of our votes. That is where we exercise our 'druthers'. Nada mas!
Along with the rest of our tax payers, I believe in charity, tutor at an inner city school, cook for the homeless etc. Why? Because it's my choice. Now some rich and greedy bastard may have all the blessings in the world and refuse to share or help the needy, and I would think very poorly of him, HOWEVER, I can not argue that he has that right. Period. No one has the right to tell you what you "should" do with your property. That is between you and God! Our taxes are the end result of our votes. That is where we exercise our 'druthers'. Nada mas!
Douglas, My brother,,,,,,ME LIKES you!!!!
The unfortunate thing is that in Capitalism the word empathy has been BURNED OFF of all literature.
I despise religion, but I am curious what Jesus Christ would think of Capitalism, it is his BDAY today right?!!
2 years ago, I had 3 motorcycles, 2 trucks and 2 sports cars (all at the same time!!). IMHO, it is irrelevant to say, "WELL, I didn't steal them, I earned them by working hard". If they can NOT see what is wrong with "the above picture", then,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Even so, that stat is a fact, It would seem that the remedy is to NOT live on welfare and GET A JOB. I am 66 years old with one year of after high school education. I have never wanted for a job because if you want to work, there is employment of some kind until something better comes along, even in this economy. I don't see a reason other than a physical or mental disability for not being able to work to better yourself, and there are lot's of people on welfare that don't fit in those catagories.
I can identify with your plight, brother Faili! I'm a bit of a musician, and in the course of my life I have generated quite a guitar collection, some 13 in number with prices from $30 all the way to $4,000. I mentioned this to a friend who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and he took me to task for owning so much when I said there were so many in need out there. He challenged me to give away some of my guitars, which I did. I gave one to a budding musician with great promise, I gave two to the community center in my small hometown and will use those to provide free guitar lessons to children next summer, would have given away two more to the high school's music department if the music director had not said "I don't use guitars, but if you just want to give them away I won't say 'no' ". At the time my friend and I were discussing my "greed", I challenged him to give away something, too, anything of value to him to show he, too, had a heart for the needy.
He hasn't, uses the same logic I've seen here on this thread, that charity ought to be voluntary, not mandatory. I agree with that, I just think that someone who drives a Mercedes M3 and a big ol' bad-ass 4 wheel drive pickup and a Honda Oddysey and who doesn't work but is living on a multi-milionaire father's trust fund ought to be able to find a bit of charity in his heart to carry through on his part of the bargain.
Al, I couldn't agree with you more, charity ought to come from the generosity of the heart.....I just don't see much of that from those who can afford it so easily. I keep telling my friend that to the greedy money is an addiction like a drug, you can never have enough, and you can never get enough, you always want more even if you don't need it. For those who are addicted to money, there is no generosity in their heart, no empathy for those who have nothing.......to me, that IS a character flaw.
Just MHO, guys, just MHO.
Doug
marc
Lifetime Supporter
I have read a lot of BS in my life but that takes the cake. We donate to charities for 2 reasons. we can and we have. Asking the government to manage healthcare (which this bill is designed to do) is not about charity. Its about more money for the government. Ask yourself this question. Has the post office been doing things right? What about the Social security system? Medicare is really been a real darling. ask those that try to use it. Look at alot of the Government run agencies and tell me they are working the way they should AND then ask your congressman to say no.
What I see is another government mess with lots of gov't labor with their unions and retirements and their special private healthcare. Check out the health care your senator and congressman get. Woo hoo. thats the ticket. It doesn't matter Dem or GOP, right now they are pigs at the trough. Doug your retired, your ticket is punched. the rest of us were f'd long before these "administrations (GW,bamaville,Clinton-amalot.) We have been acting like wimps, hugging trees, saving whales, and other f'd up ideas that come from too much lazy rich parking there butts in complacency.
Fix healthcare, we have just f'd it up more.
First do you know who broke healthcare? the gov't thats who. Regulations and requirements for the poor have put clinics out of bus that would have dealt with the "poor" Insurance pays only a percentage of the bill presented to them by your doctor (something on the order of 7% of the actual bill.) why? because Medicare does it. ask you doctor how that works. How they are being robbed by insurance companys and the government. Ask your doc about the insurance he has to carry for his lawsuits. why because outrageous lawsuits by nutcases and their attnys are allowed to be filed and processed by your govt who gets it share. they also get the 35% as taxes on that money.
Its time to fix government. we have inacted too many bills that are not being enforced. and it seems that every bill pushed through has way too much pork. Inact an ammendment to the constitution prescribing bills should be focused on the individual aspect of the specific item in question. no "hangers on" just to get someone's vote. but there is more. much more.
The govt has not been "for the people for some time" It has been a perpetuation machine, sucking the life, liberty, and pursuit of happieness from the "people" for some time.
Look Doug, Go to your local party, get involved, do something. I have, my dad is, try to get involved and help fix the problem not just give money away. when you go to the store to by groceries, look around, its not USSR yet, but we are going that way!
What I see is another government mess with lots of gov't labor with their unions and retirements and their special private healthcare. Check out the health care your senator and congressman get. Woo hoo. thats the ticket. It doesn't matter Dem or GOP, right now they are pigs at the trough. Doug your retired, your ticket is punched. the rest of us were f'd long before these "administrations (GW,bamaville,Clinton-amalot.) We have been acting like wimps, hugging trees, saving whales, and other f'd up ideas that come from too much lazy rich parking there butts in complacency.
Fix healthcare, we have just f'd it up more.
First do you know who broke healthcare? the gov't thats who. Regulations and requirements for the poor have put clinics out of bus that would have dealt with the "poor" Insurance pays only a percentage of the bill presented to them by your doctor (something on the order of 7% of the actual bill.) why? because Medicare does it. ask you doctor how that works. How they are being robbed by insurance companys and the government. Ask your doc about the insurance he has to carry for his lawsuits. why because outrageous lawsuits by nutcases and their attnys are allowed to be filed and processed by your govt who gets it share. they also get the 35% as taxes on that money.
Its time to fix government. we have inacted too many bills that are not being enforced. and it seems that every bill pushed through has way too much pork. Inact an ammendment to the constitution prescribing bills should be focused on the individual aspect of the specific item in question. no "hangers on" just to get someone's vote. but there is more. much more.
The govt has not been "for the people for some time" It has been a perpetuation machine, sucking the life, liberty, and pursuit of happieness from the "people" for some time.
Look Doug, Go to your local party, get involved, do something. I have, my dad is, try to get involved and help fix the problem not just give money away. when you go to the store to by groceries, look around, its not USSR yet, but we are going that way!
You're preaching to the choir here, Marc! I have a friend who is all tied up in knots about the current national political situation. I keep telling him that if he wants to have any feeling of control, get involved in local politics. Run for the school board if you don't want the kids watching the special CC broadcast the Obama administration is pushing. Run for city council. Run for the county commission. Do something, ANYTHING, other than gritching and moaning and becoming generally just unpleasant to be around. Falls on dead ears, he doesn't want to make a difference, he just wants to gritch and moan and generally make those around him very unhappy with all his grumpy ol' man antics.
As for me, the city council is getting tired of me, but as long as I am entitled to 3 minutes of time before them, I'll keep on giving them a piece of my mind. Hasn't made any difference, wouldn't make any difference if Obama or Pelosi or Reed would give me 3 minutes, either.
Bottom line is politicians make laws that will benefit themselves first and the rest of their constituents second and the rest of America last. Look at the S/S debacle, when S/S was first proposed and enacted it was specifically prohibited for congress to raid the contributions. That didn't last long, pretty soon congress found a way around that and ever since the contributions have been shunted to the general fund. Of course S/S will be bankrupt soon, but if the funds had been protected as was originally intended it would be on solid ground.
As for the health care issue, I don't know what it's like up in Grapevine, but down here close to Houston the public pays for those who don't have health insurance, anyway. The issue that galls me is the uninsured (indigent) illegal aliens, who seem to be more than happy to take their kids to the emergency room every time they sneeze or fart. You'd be surprised how much $$ the Fort Bend County Commissioners put into the "Indigent Health Care Fund" at the first of every fiscal year, even more surprised how many times during each fiscal year they have to go back and add more $$ to the "Indigent Health Care Fund". Who pays that? Those of us who live here through our property taxes....that includes renters, as any landlord will have to charge enough to cover his costs, including taxes. But those of us who are responsible enough to carry our own health insurance get to pay for our own care as well as the care of others who are not stepping up. So, Obama wants to fine those people....GOOD, I say. Make them pay SOMETHING, even if it is only a fine, to offset the cost to us responsible parties.
As for the issue of tort reform, I'm all for it. However, politicians seem to listen better to the insurance industry and their lobbyists who can pay millions of dollars for their 3 minutes (they call them campaign contributions), don't care so much to hear from those of us who can't pay.
They are all the same, I've started calling them Demopublicans and Republicrats, there is no difference between the two parties. We truly NEED a viable, independent third party to get this country's leadership straightened out.
I seconded someone's tongue-in-cheek nomination of Ron for President of the world in a different thread sometime back, he responded and reminded me he doesn't care much for politics. I think that's EXACTLY the kind of person we need in charge, somebody who doesn't care how many backs he can scratch so that he gets his scratched, somebody with no favors to repay, somebody who doesn't really care about politics, but really does care about America.
IMHO, though, a comprehensive universal health care package is a good way to start making the costs more equitable for those of us who are sick and tired of staying healthy and seeing the healthy pay for the sick and tired who won't pay for themselves, if you get my drift :idea: .
Doug
marc
Lifetime Supporter
The only problem is that the government doesn't fix things. One of the reasons I changed jobs was the benefits tied to the job. my cost of healthcare dropped by $400 dollars a month with better coverage. the issue is not just government, or insurance or the docs and hospitals. Its us too.
BTW my brother is a doc in Houston and is one of the best at what he does. Now he earns half of what he used to because the government changed the way it repays for. And because of that he was being to asked to work at a loss. How would you like the privledge of paying to work. not a good plan. Good docs like my brother will leave the business and the healthcare plan cannot force them to come back.
BTW my brother is a doc in Houston and is one of the best at what he does. Now he earns half of what he used to because the government changed the way it repays for. And because of that he was being to asked to work at a loss. How would you like the privledge of paying to work. not a good plan. Good docs like my brother will leave the business and the healthcare plan cannot force them to come back.
