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Healthcare
- Thread starter Al Wohlstrom
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I haven't had the oppurtunity to review the bill, but I just received this email. I know others said they would be reviewing the bill. Any truth?
This for all that voted for Obama!
As you all know the new health care bill is a whopping 1017 pages of a new language which many like to call "bureaucratese".
Here is a summary of the bill from FreeRepublic.com (Little gems from the Health Care Bill)
• Page 16: States that if you have insurance at the time of the bill becoming law and change, you will be required to take a similar plan. If that is not available, you will be required to take the gov option!
• Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!
• Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!
• Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)
• Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.
• Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
• Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.
• Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
• Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (example: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
• Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.
• Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)
• Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens
• Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
• Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.
• Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.
• Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.
• Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.
• Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.
• Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll <>BR • Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll
• Page 167: Any individual who doesnt' have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.
• Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).
• Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.
• Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." Yes, it really says that.
• Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected."
• Page 241: Doctors: no matter what speciality you have, you'll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)
• Page 253: Government sets value of doctors' time, their professional judgment, etc.
• Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.
• Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.
• Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!
• Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.
• Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.
• Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies!
• Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval.
• Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on "community" input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN.
• Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing.
• Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.
• Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.
• Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone).
• Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?
• Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time.
• Page 425: Goverment provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.
• Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends.
• Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient's health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT.
• Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life.
• Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage.
• Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services.
If you are interested in reading all 1017 pages, you can download a PDF copy of the bill here: http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3200ih.pdf
This for all that voted for Obama!
As you all know the new health care bill is a whopping 1017 pages of a new language which many like to call "bureaucratese".
Here is a summary of the bill from FreeRepublic.com (Little gems from the Health Care Bill)
• Page 16: States that if you have insurance at the time of the bill becoming law and change, you will be required to take a similar plan. If that is not available, you will be required to take the gov option!
• Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!
• Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!
• Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)
• Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.
• Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
• Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.
• Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
• Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (example: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
• Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.
• Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)
• Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens
• Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
• Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.
• Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.
• Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.
• Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.
• Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.
• Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll <>BR • Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll
• Page 167: Any individual who doesnt' have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.
• Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).
• Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.
• Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." Yes, it really says that.
• Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected."
• Page 241: Doctors: no matter what speciality you have, you'll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)
• Page 253: Government sets value of doctors' time, their professional judgment, etc.
• Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.
• Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.
• Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!
• Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.
• Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.
• Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies!
• Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval.
• Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on "community" input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN.
• Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing.
• Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.
• Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.
• Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone).
• Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?
• Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time.
• Page 425: Goverment provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.
• Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends.
• Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient's health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT.
• Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life.
• Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage.
• Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services.
If you are interested in reading all 1017 pages, you can download a PDF copy of the bill here: http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3200ih.pdf
Imsa, I will review it when time permits, but if it has already been debunked, please post the link for me and the rest of the forum members. Thanks.
If you haven't reviewed it why post it?
Here ya go
• Page 16: States that if you have insurance at the time of the bill becoming law and change, you will be required to take a similar plan. If that is not available, you will be required to take the government option! NOT TRUE - "SEC. 102. PROTECTING THE CHOICE TO KEEP CURRENT COVERAGE."
• Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure! NOT TRUE - not "audit", "study" - "Such report shall include any recommendations the Commissioner deems appropriate to ensure that the law does not provide incentives for small and mid-size employers to self-insure or create adverse selection in the risk pools of large group insurers and self-insured employers."
• Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed! NOT TRUE - "(3) does not impose any annual or lifetime limit on the coverage of covered health care items and services; "
• Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process) NOT TRUE - "SEC. 132. REQUIRING FAIR GRIEVANCE AND APPEALS MECHANISMS. (a) IN GENERAL.—A QHBP offering entity shall provide for timely grievance and appeals mechanisms that the Commissioner shall establish." AND, Page 60 - "‘‘(D) require timely and transparent claim and denial management processes, including tracking, adjudication, and appeal processing;"
• Page 42: The “Health Choices Commissioner” will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None. NOT TRUE - "SEC. 142. DUTIES AND AUTHORITY OF COMMISSIONER. (a) DUTIES.—The Commissioner is responsible for carrying out the following functions under this division: (1) QUALIFIED PLAN STANDARDS.—The establishment of qualified health benefits plan standards under this title, including the enforcement of such 8 standards in coordination with State insurance regulators and the Secretaries of Labor and the Treasury."
• Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services. NOT SURE WHERE THIS IS ON Page 50: "SEC. 152. PROHIBITING DISCRIMINATION IN HEALTH CARE. (a) IN GENERAL.—Except as otherwise explicitly permitted by this Act and by subsequent regulations consistent with this Act, all health care and related services (including insurance coverage and public health activities) with BILLS covered by this Act shall be provided without regard to personal characteristics extraneous to the provision of high quality health care or related services."
• Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard. SO WHAT?! - "which may include utilization of a machine-readable health plan beneficiary identification card;"
• Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer. NOT TRUE - ‘‘(E) require the use of a standard electronic transaction with which health care providers may quickly and efficiently enroll with a health plan to conduct the other electronic transactions provided for in this part;"
• Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (example: SEIU, UAW and ACORN) NOT TRUE - "to provide reimbursement to assist participating employment-based plans with the cost of providing health benefits to retirees and to eligible spouses, surviving spouses 21 and dependents of such retirees."
• Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange. NOT TRUE - "SEC. 201. ESTABLISHMENT OF HEALTH INSURANCE EXCHANGE; OUTLINE OF DUTIES; DEFINITIONS. (a) ESTABLISHMENT.—There is established within the Health Choices Administration and under the direction of the Commissioner a Health Insurance Exchange in order to facilitate access of individuals and employers, through a transparent process, to a variety of choices of affordable, quality health insurance coverage, including a public health insurance option."
• Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans) NOT TRUE - "(a) IN GENERAL.—The Commissioner shall specify the benefits to be made available under Exchange-participating health benefits plans during each plan year, "
• Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens. FALSE DEDUCTION - SEE PAGE 170.
• Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan. ASSUMPTION COULD BE FALSE - "(1) OUTREACH.—The Commissioner shall conduct outreach activities consistent with subsection (c), including through use of appropriate entities as described in paragraph (4) of such subsection, to inform and educate individuals and employers about the Health Insurance Exchange and Exchange-participating health benefits plan options. Such outreach shall include outreach specific to vulnerable populations, such as children, individuals with disabilities, individuals with mental illness, and individuals with other cognitive impairments."
• Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter. TRUE - SO WHAT?
• Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No “judicial review” is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed. PAGE 124 SAYS NOTHING OF LAWSUITS.
• Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages. NOT TRUE - "(c) ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS FOR SETTING RATES.—Chapter 5 of title 5, United States Code shall apply to the process for the initial establishment of payment rates under this section but not to the specific methodology for establishing such rates or the calculation of such rates."
• Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives. TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH - "SEC. 311. HEALTH COVERAGE PARTICIPATION REQUIREMENTS. An employer meets the requirements of this section if such employer does all of the following: (1) OFFER OF COVERAGE.—The employer offers each employee individual and family coverage under a qualified health benefits plan (or under a current employment-based health plan (within the meaning of section 102(b))) in accordance with section 312. 4 "
• Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families. DON'T SEE THIS ON Page 126.
• Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll. WHAT IT SAYS - "(b) SPECIAL RULES FOR SMALL EMPLOYERS.— (1) IN GENERAL.—In the case of any employer who is a small employer for any calendar year, subsection (a) shall be applied by substituting the applicable percentage determined in accordance with the following table for ‘‘8 percent’’: If the annual payroll of such employer for the preceding calendar year: The applicable percentage is:
Does not exceed $250,000 ..................................... 0 percent
Exceeds $250,000, but does not exceed $300,000 2 percent
Exceeds $300,000, but does not exceed $350,000 4 percent
Exceeds $350,000, but does not exceed $400,000 6 percent"
• Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll. SEE Page 149 ABOVE.
• Page 167: Any individual who doesn’t have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income. SEE Page 149 ABOVE.
• Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them). SEE PAGE 143 ABOVE.
• Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records. WHAT IT SAYS - "shall disclose to officers and employees of the Health Choices Administration or such State-based health insurance exchange, as the case may be, return information of any taxpayer whose income is relevant in determining any affordability credit described in subtitle C of title II of the America’s Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009. Such return information shall be limited to— ‘(i) taxpayer identity information with respect to such taxpayer, ‘‘(ii) the filing status of such taxpayer, ‘‘(iii) the modified adjusted gross income of such taxpayer (as defined in section 59B(e)(5)), ‘‘(iv) the number of dependents of the taxpayer,"
• Page 203: “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax.” Yes, it really says that. YET IT DOES.
• Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected.” DOESN'T SAY THAT ON THIS PAGE.
• Page 241: Doctors: no matter what specialty you have, you’ll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!) DOESN'T SAY THAT ON Page 241 - "Service categories established under this paragraph shall apply without regard to the specialty of the physician furnishing the service.’’
• Page 253: Government sets value of doctors’ time, their professional judgment, etc. WHAT IS SAYS - "‘‘(ii) COMPONENTS AND ELEMENTS OF WORK.—The process described in clause (i) may include validation of work elements (such as time, mental effort and professional judgment, technical skill and physical effort, and stress due to risk) involved with furnishing a service and may include validation of the pre, post, and intra-service components of work. "
• Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries. DOESN'T SAY THAT ON THIS PAGE.
• Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs. DOESN'T SAY THAT ON THIS PAGE.
• Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing! WHAT IT SAYS - "SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS. Section 1833(t) of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 5 1395l(t)) is amended by adding at the end the following new paragraph: ‘‘(18) AUTHORIZATION OF ADJUSTMENT FOR CANCER HOSPITALS.— ‘‘(A) STUDY.—The Secretary shall conduct a study to determine if, under the system under this subsection, costs incurred by hospitals described in section 1886(d)(1)(B)(v) with respect to ambulatory payment classification groups exceed those costs incurred by other hospitals furnishing services under this subsection (as determined appropriate by the Secretary). "
• Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions. NOT SURE WHAT THE ISSUE IS. WHAT IT SAYS - "‘‘(iii) ADJUSTMENT.—In order to promote a reduction over time in the overall rate of readmissions for applicable conditions, the Secretary may provide, beginning with discharges for fiscal year 2014, for the determination of the excess readmis sions ratio under subparagraph (C) to be based on a ranking of hospitals by readmission ratios (from lower to higher readmission ratios) normalized to a benchmark that is lower than the 50th percentile"
• Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government. WHAT IT SAYS - "(B) developing measures of rates of read-mission for individuals treated by physicians; (C) applying a payment reduction for physicians who treat the patient during the initial admission that results in a readmission; and (D) methods for attributing payments or payment reductions to the appropriate physician or physicians."
• Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies! WHAT IT SAYS - "‘‘(B) PROHIBITION ON PHYSICIAN OWNERSHIP OR INVESTMENT.—The percentage of the total value of the ownership or investment interests held in the hospital, or in an entity whose assets include the hospital, by physician owners or investors in the aggregate does not exceed such percentage as of the date of enactment of this subsection. "
• Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval. WHAT IT SAYS - ‘‘(C) PROHIBITION ON EXPANSION OF FACILITY CAPACITY.—Except as provided in paragraph (2), the number of operating rooms, procedure rooms, or beds of the hospital at any time on or after the date of the enactment of this subsection are no greater than the number of operating rooms, procedure rooms, or beds, respectively, as of such date."
• Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on “community” input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN. WHAT IT SAYS - "‘‘(ii) OPPORTUNITY FOR COMMUNITY INPUT.—The process under clause (i) shall provide persons and entities in the community in which the hospital applying for an exception is located with the opportunity to provide input with respect to the application."
• Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing. WHAT IT SAYS - ‘‘(ii) ESTABLISHMENT OF OUTCOME- BASED MEASURES.—By not later than for 2013 the Secretary shall implement reporting requirements for quality under this section on measures selected under clause (iii) that reflect the outcomes of care experienced by individuals enrolled in Medicare Advantage plans (in addition to measures described in clause (i)). Such measures may include— OYB."
• Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc. WHAT IT SAYS - "‘‘(iv) AUTHORITY TO DISQUALIFY CERTAIN PLANS.—In applying clauses (ii) and (iii), the Secretary may determine not to identify a Medicare Advantage plan if the Secretary has identified deficiencies in the plan’s compliance with rules for such plans under this part."
• Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals. WHAT IT SAYS - SEC. 1177. EXTENSION OF AUTHORITY OF SPECIAL NEEDS PLANS TO RESTRICT ENROLLMENT. 4 (a) IN GENERAL.—Section 1859(f)(1) of the Social 5 Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1395w–28(f)(1)) is amended by 6 striking ‘‘January 1, 2011’’ and inserting ‘‘January 1, 7 2013 (or January 1, 2016, in the case of a plan described in section 1177(b)(1) of the America’s Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009)’’. (b) GRANDFATHERING OF CERTAIN PLANS.— (1) PLANS DESCRIBED.—For purposes of section 1859(f)(1) of the Social Security Act (42 13 U.S.C. 1395w–28(f)(1)), a plan described in this paragraph is a plan that had a contract with a State that had a State program to operate an integrated Medicaid-Medicare program that had been approved by the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services as faction, and other subjects as specified by the Secretary. Not later than December 31, 2011, the Secretary shall submit to Congress a report on such analysis and shall include in such report such recommendations with regard to the treatment of such plans as the Secretary deems appropriate."
• Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone). WHAT IT SAYS - "Subtitle F—Medicare Rural Access Protections SEC. 1191. TELEHEALTH EXPANSION AND ENHANCEMENTS"
• Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia? WHAT IT SAYS - " Such consultation shall include the following: ‘‘(A) An explanation by the practitioner of advance care planning, including key questions and considerations, important steps, and suggested people to talk to. ‘‘(B) An explanation by the practitioner of advance directives, including living wills and durable powers of attorney, and their uses. ‘‘(C) An explanation by the practitioner of the role and responsibilities of a health care proxy. ‘‘(D) The provision by the practitioner of a list of national and State-specific resources to assist consumers and their families with advance care planning, including the national toll-free hotline, the advance care planning clearinghouses, and State legal service organizations (including those funded through the Older Americans Act of 1965). ‘‘(E) An explanation by the practitioner of the continuum of end-of-life services and supports available, including palliative care and hospice, and benefits for such services and supports that are available under this title. ‘‘(F)(i) Subject to clause (ii), an explanation of orders regarding life sustaining treatment or similar orders, which shall include— ‘‘(I) the reasons why the development of such an order is beneficial to the individual and the individual’s family and the reasons why such an order should be updated periodically as the health of the individual changes; ‘‘(II) the information needed for an individual or legal surrogate to make informed decisions regarding the completion of such an order; and ‘‘(III) the identification of resources that an individual may use to determine the requirements of the State in which such individual resides so that the treatment wishes of that individual will be carried out if the individual is unable to communicate those wishes, including requirements regarding the designation of a surrogate decision maker (also known as a health ‘‘(I) in which all legal barriers have been addressed for enabling orders for life sustaining treatment to constitute a set of medical orders respected across all care settings; and ‘‘(II) that has in effect a program for orders for life sustaining treatment described in clause (iii)."
• Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time. SEE PAGE 425 ABOVE.
• Page 425: Government provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death. WHAT IT SAYS: ‘‘(D) The provision by the practitioner of a list of national and State-specific resources to assist consumers and their families with advance care planning, including the national toll-free hotline, the advance care planning clearinghouses, and State legal service organizations (including those funded through the Older Americans Act of 1965). ‘‘(E) An explanation by the practitioner of the continuum of end-of-life services and supports available, including palliative care and hospice, and benefits for such services and supports that are available under this title. "
• Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends. NOT TRUE - INFO ON "LIFE-SUSTAINING TREATMENT"
• Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient’s health. deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT. NOT TRUE - ‘‘(ii) effectively communicates the individual’s preferences regarding life sustaining treatment, including an indication of the treatment and care desired by the individual; "
• Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life. NOT TRUE - ‘‘(iv) may incorporate any advance directive (as defined in section 1866(f)(3)) if executed by the individual."
• Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN. NOT TRUE - for chronically ill beneficiaries across a variety of health care settings, such as primary care physician practices with fewer than physicians, specialty physicians, nurse practitioner practices, Federally qualified health centers, rural health clinics, and other settings;"
• Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN. NOT TRUE - SEE Page 469 ABOVE.
• Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage. NOT TRUE - this reference defines who is qualified to be a marriage and family therapist.
• Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services. NOT TRUE - "...as would otherwise be covered if furnished by a physician or as incident to a physician’s professional service, but only if no facility or other provider charges or is paid any amounts with respect to the furnishing of such services. "
http://sites.google.com/site/healthcarereformbillanswers/
IMSA
Here ya go
• Page 16: States that if you have insurance at the time of the bill becoming law and change, you will be required to take a similar plan. If that is not available, you will be required to take the government option! NOT TRUE - "SEC. 102. PROTECTING THE CHOICE TO KEEP CURRENT COVERAGE."
• Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure! NOT TRUE - not "audit", "study" - "Such report shall include any recommendations the Commissioner deems appropriate to ensure that the law does not provide incentives for small and mid-size employers to self-insure or create adverse selection in the risk pools of large group insurers and self-insured employers."
• Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed! NOT TRUE - "(3) does not impose any annual or lifetime limit on the coverage of covered health care items and services; "
• Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process) NOT TRUE - "SEC. 132. REQUIRING FAIR GRIEVANCE AND APPEALS MECHANISMS. (a) IN GENERAL.—A QHBP offering entity shall provide for timely grievance and appeals mechanisms that the Commissioner shall establish." AND, Page 60 - "‘‘(D) require timely and transparent claim and denial management processes, including tracking, adjudication, and appeal processing;"
• Page 42: The “Health Choices Commissioner” will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None. NOT TRUE - "SEC. 142. DUTIES AND AUTHORITY OF COMMISSIONER. (a) DUTIES.—The Commissioner is responsible for carrying out the following functions under this division: (1) QUALIFIED PLAN STANDARDS.—The establishment of qualified health benefits plan standards under this title, including the enforcement of such 8 standards in coordination with State insurance regulators and the Secretaries of Labor and the Treasury."
• Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services. NOT SURE WHERE THIS IS ON Page 50: "SEC. 152. PROHIBITING DISCRIMINATION IN HEALTH CARE. (a) IN GENERAL.—Except as otherwise explicitly permitted by this Act and by subsequent regulations consistent with this Act, all health care and related services (including insurance coverage and public health activities) with BILLS covered by this Act shall be provided without regard to personal characteristics extraneous to the provision of high quality health care or related services."
• Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard. SO WHAT?! - "which may include utilization of a machine-readable health plan beneficiary identification card;"
• Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer. NOT TRUE - ‘‘(E) require the use of a standard electronic transaction with which health care providers may quickly and efficiently enroll with a health plan to conduct the other electronic transactions provided for in this part;"
• Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (example: SEIU, UAW and ACORN) NOT TRUE - "to provide reimbursement to assist participating employment-based plans with the cost of providing health benefits to retirees and to eligible spouses, surviving spouses 21 and dependents of such retirees."
• Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange. NOT TRUE - "SEC. 201. ESTABLISHMENT OF HEALTH INSURANCE EXCHANGE; OUTLINE OF DUTIES; DEFINITIONS. (a) ESTABLISHMENT.—There is established within the Health Choices Administration and under the direction of the Commissioner a Health Insurance Exchange in order to facilitate access of individuals and employers, through a transparent process, to a variety of choices of affordable, quality health insurance coverage, including a public health insurance option."
• Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans) NOT TRUE - "(a) IN GENERAL.—The Commissioner shall specify the benefits to be made available under Exchange-participating health benefits plans during each plan year, "
• Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens. FALSE DEDUCTION - SEE PAGE 170.
• Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan. ASSUMPTION COULD BE FALSE - "(1) OUTREACH.—The Commissioner shall conduct outreach activities consistent with subsection (c), including through use of appropriate entities as described in paragraph (4) of such subsection, to inform and educate individuals and employers about the Health Insurance Exchange and Exchange-participating health benefits plan options. Such outreach shall include outreach specific to vulnerable populations, such as children, individuals with disabilities, individuals with mental illness, and individuals with other cognitive impairments."
• Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter. TRUE - SO WHAT?
• Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No “judicial review” is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed. PAGE 124 SAYS NOTHING OF LAWSUITS.
• Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages. NOT TRUE - "(c) ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS FOR SETTING RATES.—Chapter 5 of title 5, United States Code shall apply to the process for the initial establishment of payment rates under this section but not to the specific methodology for establishing such rates or the calculation of such rates."
• Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives. TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH - "SEC. 311. HEALTH COVERAGE PARTICIPATION REQUIREMENTS. An employer meets the requirements of this section if such employer does all of the following: (1) OFFER OF COVERAGE.—The employer offers each employee individual and family coverage under a qualified health benefits plan (or under a current employment-based health plan (within the meaning of section 102(b))) in accordance with section 312. 4 "
• Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families. DON'T SEE THIS ON Page 126.
• Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll. WHAT IT SAYS - "(b) SPECIAL RULES FOR SMALL EMPLOYERS.— (1) IN GENERAL.—In the case of any employer who is a small employer for any calendar year, subsection (a) shall be applied by substituting the applicable percentage determined in accordance with the following table for ‘‘8 percent’’: If the annual payroll of such employer for the preceding calendar year: The applicable percentage is:
Does not exceed $250,000 ..................................... 0 percent
Exceeds $250,000, but does not exceed $300,000 2 percent
Exceeds $300,000, but does not exceed $350,000 4 percent
Exceeds $350,000, but does not exceed $400,000 6 percent"
• Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll. SEE Page 149 ABOVE.
• Page 167: Any individual who doesn’t have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income. SEE Page 149 ABOVE.
• Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them). SEE PAGE 143 ABOVE.
• Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records. WHAT IT SAYS - "shall disclose to officers and employees of the Health Choices Administration or such State-based health insurance exchange, as the case may be, return information of any taxpayer whose income is relevant in determining any affordability credit described in subtitle C of title II of the America’s Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009. Such return information shall be limited to— ‘(i) taxpayer identity information with respect to such taxpayer, ‘‘(ii) the filing status of such taxpayer, ‘‘(iii) the modified adjusted gross income of such taxpayer (as defined in section 59B(e)(5)), ‘‘(iv) the number of dependents of the taxpayer,"
• Page 203: “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax.” Yes, it really says that. YET IT DOES.
• Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected.” DOESN'T SAY THAT ON THIS PAGE.
• Page 241: Doctors: no matter what specialty you have, you’ll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!) DOESN'T SAY THAT ON Page 241 - "Service categories established under this paragraph shall apply without regard to the specialty of the physician furnishing the service.’’
• Page 253: Government sets value of doctors’ time, their professional judgment, etc. WHAT IS SAYS - "‘‘(ii) COMPONENTS AND ELEMENTS OF WORK.—The process described in clause (i) may include validation of work elements (such as time, mental effort and professional judgment, technical skill and physical effort, and stress due to risk) involved with furnishing a service and may include validation of the pre, post, and intra-service components of work. "
• Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries. DOESN'T SAY THAT ON THIS PAGE.
• Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs. DOESN'T SAY THAT ON THIS PAGE.
• Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing! WHAT IT SAYS - "SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS. Section 1833(t) of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 5 1395l(t)) is amended by adding at the end the following new paragraph: ‘‘(18) AUTHORIZATION OF ADJUSTMENT FOR CANCER HOSPITALS.— ‘‘(A) STUDY.—The Secretary shall conduct a study to determine if, under the system under this subsection, costs incurred by hospitals described in section 1886(d)(1)(B)(v) with respect to ambulatory payment classification groups exceed those costs incurred by other hospitals furnishing services under this subsection (as determined appropriate by the Secretary). "
• Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions. NOT SURE WHAT THE ISSUE IS. WHAT IT SAYS - "‘‘(iii) ADJUSTMENT.—In order to promote a reduction over time in the overall rate of readmissions for applicable conditions, the Secretary may provide, beginning with discharges for fiscal year 2014, for the determination of the excess readmis sions ratio under subparagraph (C) to be based on a ranking of hospitals by readmission ratios (from lower to higher readmission ratios) normalized to a benchmark that is lower than the 50th percentile"
• Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government. WHAT IT SAYS - "(B) developing measures of rates of read-mission for individuals treated by physicians; (C) applying a payment reduction for physicians who treat the patient during the initial admission that results in a readmission; and (D) methods for attributing payments or payment reductions to the appropriate physician or physicians."
• Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies! WHAT IT SAYS - "‘‘(B) PROHIBITION ON PHYSICIAN OWNERSHIP OR INVESTMENT.—The percentage of the total value of the ownership or investment interests held in the hospital, or in an entity whose assets include the hospital, by physician owners or investors in the aggregate does not exceed such percentage as of the date of enactment of this subsection. "
• Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval. WHAT IT SAYS - ‘‘(C) PROHIBITION ON EXPANSION OF FACILITY CAPACITY.—Except as provided in paragraph (2), the number of operating rooms, procedure rooms, or beds of the hospital at any time on or after the date of the enactment of this subsection are no greater than the number of operating rooms, procedure rooms, or beds, respectively, as of such date."
• Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on “community” input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN. WHAT IT SAYS - "‘‘(ii) OPPORTUNITY FOR COMMUNITY INPUT.—The process under clause (i) shall provide persons and entities in the community in which the hospital applying for an exception is located with the opportunity to provide input with respect to the application."
• Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing. WHAT IT SAYS - ‘‘(ii) ESTABLISHMENT OF OUTCOME- BASED MEASURES.—By not later than for 2013 the Secretary shall implement reporting requirements for quality under this section on measures selected under clause (iii) that reflect the outcomes of care experienced by individuals enrolled in Medicare Advantage plans (in addition to measures described in clause (i)). Such measures may include— OYB."
• Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc. WHAT IT SAYS - "‘‘(iv) AUTHORITY TO DISQUALIFY CERTAIN PLANS.—In applying clauses (ii) and (iii), the Secretary may determine not to identify a Medicare Advantage plan if the Secretary has identified deficiencies in the plan’s compliance with rules for such plans under this part."
• Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals. WHAT IT SAYS - SEC. 1177. EXTENSION OF AUTHORITY OF SPECIAL NEEDS PLANS TO RESTRICT ENROLLMENT. 4 (a) IN GENERAL.—Section 1859(f)(1) of the Social 5 Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1395w–28(f)(1)) is amended by 6 striking ‘‘January 1, 2011’’ and inserting ‘‘January 1, 7 2013 (or January 1, 2016, in the case of a plan described in section 1177(b)(1) of the America’s Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009)’’. (b) GRANDFATHERING OF CERTAIN PLANS.— (1) PLANS DESCRIBED.—For purposes of section 1859(f)(1) of the Social Security Act (42 13 U.S.C. 1395w–28(f)(1)), a plan described in this paragraph is a plan that had a contract with a State that had a State program to operate an integrated Medicaid-Medicare program that had been approved by the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services as faction, and other subjects as specified by the Secretary. Not later than December 31, 2011, the Secretary shall submit to Congress a report on such analysis and shall include in such report such recommendations with regard to the treatment of such plans as the Secretary deems appropriate."
• Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone). WHAT IT SAYS - "Subtitle F—Medicare Rural Access Protections SEC. 1191. TELEHEALTH EXPANSION AND ENHANCEMENTS"
• Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia? WHAT IT SAYS - " Such consultation shall include the following: ‘‘(A) An explanation by the practitioner of advance care planning, including key questions and considerations, important steps, and suggested people to talk to. ‘‘(B) An explanation by the practitioner of advance directives, including living wills and durable powers of attorney, and their uses. ‘‘(C) An explanation by the practitioner of the role and responsibilities of a health care proxy. ‘‘(D) The provision by the practitioner of a list of national and State-specific resources to assist consumers and their families with advance care planning, including the national toll-free hotline, the advance care planning clearinghouses, and State legal service organizations (including those funded through the Older Americans Act of 1965). ‘‘(E) An explanation by the practitioner of the continuum of end-of-life services and supports available, including palliative care and hospice, and benefits for such services and supports that are available under this title. ‘‘(F)(i) Subject to clause (ii), an explanation of orders regarding life sustaining treatment or similar orders, which shall include— ‘‘(I) the reasons why the development of such an order is beneficial to the individual and the individual’s family and the reasons why such an order should be updated periodically as the health of the individual changes; ‘‘(II) the information needed for an individual or legal surrogate to make informed decisions regarding the completion of such an order; and ‘‘(III) the identification of resources that an individual may use to determine the requirements of the State in which such individual resides so that the treatment wishes of that individual will be carried out if the individual is unable to communicate those wishes, including requirements regarding the designation of a surrogate decision maker (also known as a health ‘‘(I) in which all legal barriers have been addressed for enabling orders for life sustaining treatment to constitute a set of medical orders respected across all care settings; and ‘‘(II) that has in effect a program for orders for life sustaining treatment described in clause (iii)."
• Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time. SEE PAGE 425 ABOVE.
• Page 425: Government provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death. WHAT IT SAYS: ‘‘(D) The provision by the practitioner of a list of national and State-specific resources to assist consumers and their families with advance care planning, including the national toll-free hotline, the advance care planning clearinghouses, and State legal service organizations (including those funded through the Older Americans Act of 1965). ‘‘(E) An explanation by the practitioner of the continuum of end-of-life services and supports available, including palliative care and hospice, and benefits for such services and supports that are available under this title. "
• Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends. NOT TRUE - INFO ON "LIFE-SUSTAINING TREATMENT"
• Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient’s health. deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT. NOT TRUE - ‘‘(ii) effectively communicates the individual’s preferences regarding life sustaining treatment, including an indication of the treatment and care desired by the individual; "
• Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life. NOT TRUE - ‘‘(iv) may incorporate any advance directive (as defined in section 1866(f)(3)) if executed by the individual."
• Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN. NOT TRUE - for chronically ill beneficiaries across a variety of health care settings, such as primary care physician practices with fewer than physicians, specialty physicians, nurse practitioner practices, Federally qualified health centers, rural health clinics, and other settings;"
• Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN. NOT TRUE - SEE Page 469 ABOVE.
• Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage. NOT TRUE - this reference defines who is qualified to be a marriage and family therapist.
• Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services. NOT TRUE - "...as would otherwise be covered if furnished by a physician or as incident to a physician’s professional service, but only if no facility or other provider charges or is paid any amounts with respect to the furnishing of such services. "
http://sites.google.com/site/healthcarereformbillanswers/
IMSA
Pat
Supporter
LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT
Obama's health care plan will be written by a committee whose head (John Conyers, D-MI.) says he doesn't understand it, to be passed by a Congress that hasn't read it and whose members will be exempt from it, signed by a president who smokes, funded by
a treasury chief who did not pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general
who is obese, and financed by a country that is broke.
What could possibly go wrong?
Obama's health care plan will be written by a committee whose head (John Conyers, D-MI.) says he doesn't understand it, to be passed by a Congress that hasn't read it and whose members will be exempt from it, signed by a president who smokes, funded by
a treasury chief who did not pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general
who is obese, and financed by a country that is broke.
What could possibly go wrong?
There should be a test based on the contents of the healthcare bill or any bill that comes before congress for a vote. Congressman should have to take the test and if they dont get a passing grade they should not be allowed to participate in the vote on the bill. The results of the tests should be made public.
Gold, Pure Gold!!!!
Once again, here is the bill!
http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf
http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf
Take a look at this for a doctor's point of view.
"ObamaCare and me" by Zane F. Pollard, Atlanta based M.D.
"ObamaCare and me" by Zane F. Pollard, Atlanta based M.D.
Imsa, I posted it because others have stated that they have or would be reviewing the proposed bill, plus I also wanted you to educate me.
When I received the email, pages numbered 59, 203, 427 and 429 were highlighted in red. Those highlights apparently did not transfer over on the copy and paste. I have BRIEFLY looked at pages 59 and 427 and would suggest that the email I copied and pasted might raise legitimate concerns. I HAVE NOT read through the sections or the proposed legislation but reproduce the following:
page 59:
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•HR 3200 IH
1 ‘‘(H) harmonize all common data elements
2 across administrative and clinical transaction
3 standards.
4 ‘‘(3) TIME FOR ADOPTION.—Not later than 2
5 years after the date of implementation of the X12
6 Version 5010 transaction standards implemented
7 under this part, the Secretary shall adopt standards
8 under this section.
9 ‘‘(4) REQUIREMENTS FOR SPECIFIC STAND10
ARDS.—The standards under this section shall be
11 developed, adopted and enforced so as to—
12 ‘‘(A) clarify, refine, complete, and expand,
13 as needed, the standards required under section
14 1173;
15 ‘‘(B) require paper versions of standard16
ized transactions to comply with the same
17 standards as to data content such that a fully
18 compliant, equivalent electronic transaction can
19 be populated from the data from a paper
20 version;
21 ‘‘(C) enable electronic funds transfers, in
22 order to allow automated reconciliation with the
23 related health care payment and remittance ad24
vice;
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Item (C) states enable electronic funds transfers, in order to allow automated reconciliation...Can you tell me what that means?? If the bill is to accept electronic transfers than just state that payments can be made through electronic means. It doesn't simply say payments by electronic means. The language states "to enable electronic funds transfers for automated reconciliation". Can this be an automatic deduction from a bank account?? Why can't the bill be written in simple english so NO ONE can misunderstand/interpret its meanings?? Simplicity and brevity.
page 427:
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•HR 3200 IH
1 ‘‘(I) in which all legal barriers have been
2 addressed for enabling orders for life sustaining
3 treatment to constitute a set of medical orders
4 respected across all care settings; and
5 ‘‘(II) that has in effect a program for or6
ders for life sustaining treatment described in
7 clause (iii).
8 ‘‘(iii) A program for orders for life sustaining
9 treatment for a States described in this clause is a
10 program that—
11 ‘‘(I) ensures such orders are standardized
12 and uniquely identifiable throughout the State;
13 ‘‘(II) distributes or makes accessible such
14 orders to physicians and other health profes15
sionals that (acting within the scope of the pro16
fessional’s authority under State law) may sign
17 orders for life sustaining treatment;
18 ‘‘(III) provides training for health care
19 professionals across the continuum of care
20 about the goals and use of orders for life sus21
taining treatment; and
22 ‘‘(IV) is guided by a coalition of stake23
holders includes representatives from emergency
24 medical services, emergency department physi25
cians or nurses, state long-term care associa-
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I suggest you review lines 13 through 17. WHY should a physician have the authority to sign orders for life sustaining treatment????? Can it be argued that rationing of medical treatments could possibly take place? I think it can be argued that rationing can take place if the doctors or hospitals are allowed to make such decisions instead of the patient and/or their loved ones.
I think you should also review Dom's post number 312 as it relates to the Doctor from Atlanta. If that does not give you cause to pause about the current bill, nothing will. I will say it again, I have NOT read the bill or even complete sections of it. I only briefly looked at the above two pages and I am already uneasy.
All this arguing over this bill is so much mental masturbation. In the U S there is NO healthcare crisis. Any one that wants/needs healthcare can get it. If you are unemployed, illegal, or just don't have insurance, just walk into any E R or satellite clinic and you will be treated. Rather expensive for the tax payer, but you will get it. The young and healthy choose not to be insured. The illegals don't qualify to be counted in the 45 Million uninsured that they tout. Take out the ones who are in transit from one job to another or have just lost their job and have lost their insurance(which are covered with COBRA). That leaves about 10-12 million only that qualify as uninsured. The only ones getting screwed are the elderly. They have to use up all their earnings to get some decent care. What we have in this country is a Healthcare SPENDING CRISIS. The cost of healthcare is going up faster than inflation.
The Obama group have not included ANY free market solutions to REFORM healthcare. There are many options out there, they just choose not to listen or discuss them. Tom Price come to mind.Home Page - United States Representative Tom Price
They keep using the focus group language of choice and competition. All you have to do is do away with employer mandated health insurane and let the individuals buy their own policy. They will then take an interest in what coverage they have and how much it cost. Let them deduct the cost from their taxes. Allow the insurance company's to sell their policys across state lines. With 1300 companys out there, the incompetent ones will fall by the wayside and the COMPETITION will drive down the expense. Obama offers only the government plan as competition. What a pile of B S. If they had the consumer's interest at hand they wouldn't even be thinking of going into the business. They would just change the REGULATIONS to CREATE COMPETITION.
This is no more than a power grab by the government. I want one person who is in favor of this bill to tell me why they would TRUST the government to run an industry that will take up about 15-20% of the GNP of this country. A government that would create many more agencys, beaurocracys, and cost. A government that has run Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac into the ground.Rewarded their political favorites with the high positions and 90 Million$ salaries. Bankrupted Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, and the Postal Service. Has so much fraud going on that they refuse to prosecute(both political, financial, and internal). And if you say it is because the insurance industry is rife with fraud and money grabbing running up the cost. Remember, they are regulated by that government. They have used government to cut off competiton. Get rid of the RESTRICTIVE regulations and the industry will take care of itself. I know that is a dangerous statrement, but with 1300 companys out there competing for a bigger piece of the pie, they have to attract customers. The only way you will do that is to offer more for less. Not vice versa. Just look at the phone company and what they did with deregulation. I know there are some industries that defied the rule and it wound up costing more, natural gas comes to mind.
The Obama group have not included ANY free market solutions to REFORM healthcare. There are many options out there, they just choose not to listen or discuss them. Tom Price come to mind.Home Page - United States Representative Tom Price
They keep using the focus group language of choice and competition. All you have to do is do away with employer mandated health insurane and let the individuals buy their own policy. They will then take an interest in what coverage they have and how much it cost. Let them deduct the cost from their taxes. Allow the insurance company's to sell their policys across state lines. With 1300 companys out there, the incompetent ones will fall by the wayside and the COMPETITION will drive down the expense. Obama offers only the government plan as competition. What a pile of B S. If they had the consumer's interest at hand they wouldn't even be thinking of going into the business. They would just change the REGULATIONS to CREATE COMPETITION.
This is no more than a power grab by the government. I want one person who is in favor of this bill to tell me why they would TRUST the government to run an industry that will take up about 15-20% of the GNP of this country. A government that would create many more agencys, beaurocracys, and cost. A government that has run Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac into the ground.Rewarded their political favorites with the high positions and 90 Million$ salaries. Bankrupted Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, and the Postal Service. Has so much fraud going on that they refuse to prosecute(both political, financial, and internal). And if you say it is because the insurance industry is rife with fraud and money grabbing running up the cost. Remember, they are regulated by that government. They have used government to cut off competiton. Get rid of the RESTRICTIVE regulations and the industry will take care of itself. I know that is a dangerous statrement, but with 1300 companys out there competing for a bigger piece of the pie, they have to attract customers. The only way you will do that is to offer more for less. Not vice versa. Just look at the phone company and what they did with deregulation. I know there are some industries that defied the rule and it wound up costing more, natural gas comes to mind.
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You need to single out the ones that can read!
Musarra says
"In the U S there is NO healthcare crisis."
Bill Moyers Journal . CRITICAL CONDITION | PBS
I think the people in the Video would tend to disagree with you.
IMSA
"In the U S there is NO healthcare crisis."
Bill Moyers Journal . CRITICAL CONDITION | PBS
I think the people in the Video would tend to disagree with you.
IMSA
Yes you are right about the people in the video. They outline the true problem in healthcare. The solution is to first recognize the problem. That problem for all in the video is portability. If these people had their own insurance policys, they could have taken them with them, which I outline in an earlier post. Employer based insurance is an outgrowth of WWII. There was a recession going on with wage freezes etc. In order for industry to attract workers they began using health insurance as an inticement. It has stayed with us ever since.. Being unimployed is another problem. For the unemployed there could be a voucher system as outlined by several conservatives, part of their alternatives to Obamacare which you won't hear about. Ther is no excuse for working, or unemployed, CITIZENS not having insurance. But the federal government through regulation has prevented it.
Something that has not been mentioned and is VERY important. The role of accountability. The people in the video have to be escluded here, bercause they grew up under the flawed system that we have. However, IF these people had had the OPTION to purchase their own policys, then you would see healthcare heading down a different path than the one it is on now. I said option because you can't make people do what they don't want to do. This is a supposedly free country and YOU have the right to do what you please concerning your health. This is not a nanny state yet!! If the individual is responsible for purchasing his or her own insurance, they have to make a choice to do it or not. As in the video, you don't know when you are going to need it until you do, need it. But along with choices, comes the consequenses of their actions, The first couple i dare to say would not weigh 400 lbs. and have diabetes. They would know that to not get insurance they would have to lead a healthier lifestyle, because if they get injured, car wreck, eat some tainted food from their refrig etc. would mean they would have to pay for it themselves. Encouragement enough to purchase insurance. The young think they are invincable and you won't convince them any different. Theywill say, "I'll be careful and nothing will happen to me".
We do however have to put up with the dumbing down of our kids through the "puplic" of as I say the "government" education. I do believe that it is a concerted dffort of out political system to keep the populace dumb enough to make good workers and not think for yourself. That wey they are easily controlled. Boy George did it with his "No child left behind" legislation. Now all the classmates have to be held to the level of the dumbest kid in the class. No incentives to excell or do better, or think on your own.
For the people in the video, it will take moving a mountain to give them the care they so desperately need. Social Security has been robbed and is virtually bankrupt or it would be there for each of those individuals. The program has been cut so many times due to the thivery of the politicians. Just today it was annouced that the Obama team is going to cut benefits next year though he promised he would not do so.
I have to say this and don't think of it as just for this president, as there have been as many on the other side of the isle that have done just about as bad. President Obama, could go down as one of the greatest presidents of our time if he were a true centrist and a leader. He is sadly neither. He campaigned as a moderate. He has governed from the far left. He has not lead this country anywhere except to the brink of a major depression. Want proof? This country is spending approximately $1.70 for each $1.00 that it takes in. The new estimate for the deficit for next year has just been revised, released today, and will be made news(if they dare report it at all) tomorrow. It will be $2Trillion MORE than projected. If he were a leader, he would have a simple outline of what he wants to do. He could defend it and explain it to the general public. He has NO idea of what this bill has in it. When he has tried to explain any part of it without his teleprompter, he has not been able to answer a question with any information that actually informed the questioner what he was trying to say. His healthcare bill is TOO involved, TOO convoluted, and TOO complex for the average person to know what is being said. The people that wind up being the regulatrors will be able to do pretty much whatever they want to, cause you can't decipher what the language of the bill is trying to say. Look at some of the previous post, can you really tell what is actually being said? Mr. Obama has lied to the American public from the campaign trail where he has not fulfilled one objective or promise, that he outlined on the trial to the presidency. Not raise taxes on the average American, yeah really. When he said change, no one in the media asked him what kind or how much. Had he outlined what he REALLY had plans for us, I would venture to say he wouldn't have been elected. I guess we will never know though.
I have to admit, I was very interested in him because he was a fresh voice, articulate, young, a new form of Kennedy. I had high expectations for him and probably would have voted for him until he started showing his true colors on the campaign trail(Joe the Plumber and spread the wealth around etc. etc.) He didn't present himself as a John Kerry democrat(second most liberal senator, Obama the most liberal), He campaigned as a moderate and his eloquence and color cause everyone to just lay down for him. I judge him on his performance, not what he says. He is not truthful and is not to be trusted!!
I will still stand by what I have said about healthcare(all of my post together). We can't do a lot for those that are suffering right now until the direction is altered. Then they can be brought into the system. Resend the stimulus that has failed and has unemployment 2% higher than he promised and has lost 2 Million more jobs(the latest numbers show unemployment actually growing this month) and use the funds to restore Social Security and Medicare. I operate on the KISS principle and I think the simple changes will do the most for the American public. Not those you can't state in simple english.
Something that has not been mentioned and is VERY important. The role of accountability. The people in the video have to be escluded here, bercause they grew up under the flawed system that we have. However, IF these people had had the OPTION to purchase their own policys, then you would see healthcare heading down a different path than the one it is on now. I said option because you can't make people do what they don't want to do. This is a supposedly free country and YOU have the right to do what you please concerning your health. This is not a nanny state yet!! If the individual is responsible for purchasing his or her own insurance, they have to make a choice to do it or not. As in the video, you don't know when you are going to need it until you do, need it. But along with choices, comes the consequenses of their actions, The first couple i dare to say would not weigh 400 lbs. and have diabetes. They would know that to not get insurance they would have to lead a healthier lifestyle, because if they get injured, car wreck, eat some tainted food from their refrig etc. would mean they would have to pay for it themselves. Encouragement enough to purchase insurance. The young think they are invincable and you won't convince them any different. Theywill say, "I'll be careful and nothing will happen to me".
We do however have to put up with the dumbing down of our kids through the "puplic" of as I say the "government" education. I do believe that it is a concerted dffort of out political system to keep the populace dumb enough to make good workers and not think for yourself. That wey they are easily controlled. Boy George did it with his "No child left behind" legislation. Now all the classmates have to be held to the level of the dumbest kid in the class. No incentives to excell or do better, or think on your own.
For the people in the video, it will take moving a mountain to give them the care they so desperately need. Social Security has been robbed and is virtually bankrupt or it would be there for each of those individuals. The program has been cut so many times due to the thivery of the politicians. Just today it was annouced that the Obama team is going to cut benefits next year though he promised he would not do so.
I have to say this and don't think of it as just for this president, as there have been as many on the other side of the isle that have done just about as bad. President Obama, could go down as one of the greatest presidents of our time if he were a true centrist and a leader. He is sadly neither. He campaigned as a moderate. He has governed from the far left. He has not lead this country anywhere except to the brink of a major depression. Want proof? This country is spending approximately $1.70 for each $1.00 that it takes in. The new estimate for the deficit for next year has just been revised, released today, and will be made news(if they dare report it at all) tomorrow. It will be $2Trillion MORE than projected. If he were a leader, he would have a simple outline of what he wants to do. He could defend it and explain it to the general public. He has NO idea of what this bill has in it. When he has tried to explain any part of it without his teleprompter, he has not been able to answer a question with any information that actually informed the questioner what he was trying to say. His healthcare bill is TOO involved, TOO convoluted, and TOO complex for the average person to know what is being said. The people that wind up being the regulatrors will be able to do pretty much whatever they want to, cause you can't decipher what the language of the bill is trying to say. Look at some of the previous post, can you really tell what is actually being said? Mr. Obama has lied to the American public from the campaign trail where he has not fulfilled one objective or promise, that he outlined on the trial to the presidency. Not raise taxes on the average American, yeah really. When he said change, no one in the media asked him what kind or how much. Had he outlined what he REALLY had plans for us, I would venture to say he wouldn't have been elected. I guess we will never know though.
I have to admit, I was very interested in him because he was a fresh voice, articulate, young, a new form of Kennedy. I had high expectations for him and probably would have voted for him until he started showing his true colors on the campaign trail(Joe the Plumber and spread the wealth around etc. etc.) He didn't present himself as a John Kerry democrat(second most liberal senator, Obama the most liberal), He campaigned as a moderate and his eloquence and color cause everyone to just lay down for him. I judge him on his performance, not what he says. He is not truthful and is not to be trusted!!
I will still stand by what I have said about healthcare(all of my post together). We can't do a lot for those that are suffering right now until the direction is altered. Then they can be brought into the system. Resend the stimulus that has failed and has unemployment 2% higher than he promised and has lost 2 Million more jobs(the latest numbers show unemployment actually growing this month) and use the funds to restore Social Security and Medicare. I operate on the KISS principle and I think the simple changes will do the most for the American public. Not those you can't state in simple english.
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I heard something on the radio the other day that astounds me! "Americans are on an average 23 pounds overweight". That adds up to around 4 billion pounds for all of the people in the US. It would seem to me that the single greatest health threat in the US is Obesity. This is by choice in most cases. So, it would follow that a great deal of the US is unhealthy because of poor eating habits and lack of exercise. Why doesn't someone attack the root of the problem, fast food, junk food, etc? Did you ever see the size of the sugar laden soft drinks people get at the convenience stores. People go for a walk for exercise and drink one of those 1/2 gallon drinks while they walk. It's not all that hard to stay in good shape. Watch what and how much you eat, take the stairs instead of the elevator, and hit the gym 3 or 4 hours a week. Hell, most people spend more time than that at the bar each week. And you actually feel pretty good after an hour workout and a shower. I plan to be around to make IMSA miserable for a very long time!
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