These are the kind of Shitheads we've been paying
- Thread starter Keith1
- Start date
We’ve had our riots but they were probably more commercially motivated…In many countries you have ‘paramilitaries’ up to and including your own National Guard which seem regularly deployed in certain situations (Boston Pressure Cookers?)
Northern Ireland is not a representative situation and does not compare with the concept of ‘putting troops on the street to quell an unruly civilian population’ – military intervention there is, and always was, to counter actions from an illegal paramilitary criminal terrorist organisation – the IRA (until recently largely funded by Americans and bank raids) and their Protestant counterparts the equally criminal UDA and UDF (who funded themselves by selling drugs and robbing different banks).
Whilst elements of our Police Force do take on a more heavily armed role mainly for terrorist intervention on mainland UK, putting troops on our streets is a political no-no of gargantuan proportions and to think Brown was contemplating such a move in certain events beggars belief in hindsight. I always knew that Government was criminal – I just had no idea to what extent.
It’s nothing at all to do with being ‘reserved’ – our strength is (and has always been), respect for the Rule of Law. The two ideas should not be confused.
Naturally there will be a fringe that will want to agitate – but for 40 years now, we know who they are, why they do it, and we don’t respond to it.
Of course, as we continue to be forcibly ‘assimilated’ into a vast cauldron of dubious national identities courtesy of Europe, the foregoing situation may well change – but it won’t be in my lifetime or my children’s.
Northern Ireland is not a representative situation and does not compare with the concept of ‘putting troops on the street to quell an unruly civilian population’ – military intervention there is, and always was, to counter actions from an illegal paramilitary criminal terrorist organisation – the IRA (until recently largely funded by Americans and bank raids) and their Protestant counterparts the equally criminal UDA and UDF (who funded themselves by selling drugs and robbing different banks).
Whilst elements of our Police Force do take on a more heavily armed role mainly for terrorist intervention on mainland UK, putting troops on our streets is a political no-no of gargantuan proportions and to think Brown was contemplating such a move in certain events beggars belief in hindsight. I always knew that Government was criminal – I just had no idea to what extent.
It’s nothing at all to do with being ‘reserved’ – our strength is (and has always been), respect for the Rule of Law. The two ideas should not be confused.
Naturally there will be a fringe that will want to agitate – but for 40 years now, we know who they are, why they do it, and we don’t respond to it.
Of course, as we continue to be forcibly ‘assimilated’ into a vast cauldron of dubious national identities courtesy of Europe, the foregoing situation may well change – but it won’t be in my lifetime or my children’s.
The former stems from the latter though, does it not?
...a little factoid I was going to suggest, but decided against least I be labeled by certain people as a racist, or an 'immigrant-o-phobe', or 'another d---ed Yankee who ought to mind is own d--ned business'!
Really, Jack?! ME TOO...and that's especially true where you're concerned! :flameon:
('Made any headway with the 'Vegas thing we discussed?)
David Morton
Lifetime Supporter
Armed B52 break up in flight.
See - they are still keeping you in the dark in the U.S.A. The lies were just huge and horrendous - even in the Kennedy era and some of the truth is slowly being drip fed
to all of you.
See - they are still keeping you in the dark in the U.S.A. The lies were just huge and horrendous - even in the Kennedy era and some of the truth is slowly being drip fed
to all of you.
David Morton
Lifetime Supporter
Armed B52 break up in flight.
From the Mail:
Sunday, Sep 22 2013 12PM 23°C 3PM 23°C 5-Day Forecast
show ad
The Pentagon almost nuked North Carolina at the height of the Cold War just three days after JFK's inauguration
By Ryan Gorman
- Two atom bombs were dropped after a B-52 bomber fell apart in mid-air
- One went through almost every single stage of the detonation sequence, even sending a charge to the nuclear core, before failing to detonate
- The other fell harmlessly to the ground
PUBLISHED: 05:02, 21 September 2013 | UPDATED: 15:55, 21 September 2013
473 shares
62
View
comments
The US government came dangerously close to detonating a nuclear bomb over North Carolina at the height of the Cold War - but was saved by a faulty switch it has been revealed.
In 1961, two Mark 39 hydrogen bombs - equivalent to 260 times the strength of the Hiroshima device - were dropped over Goldsboro, NC when a B-52 broke apart in mid-flight.
The Guardian obtained recently declassified documents detailing the accident, which would have ended the lives of many unsuspecting Americans three days after President John F. Kennedy’s inauguration, if the bombs had gone off.
Bad news in spades: This almost happened in 1961 to North Carolina
One fell harmlessly to the ground, but another went into detonation sequence and seemed primed for detonation - a notoriously faulty switch is all that prevented nuclear fallout from falling as far north as New York City, according to the Guardian.
As the first bomb quickly made its way to the earth, the second bomb’s parachute deployed – the first step towards detonation.
More...
- Assad vows to destroy Syria's chemical weapons but still insists his soldiers were not responsible for sarin gas attack
- French mother convicted after sending three-year-old son named 'Jihad' to school in a T-shirt saying 'I am a bomb'
Soon its trigger mechanisms engaged, the bomb was ready to blow.
‘Air Force experts… found that five of the six interlocks had been set off by the fall,’ Dr Ralph Lapp wrote in the document.
Dr Strangelove: The report about the incident, titled 'Goldsboro Revisited or: How I learned to Mistrust the H-Bomb,' was a play on the famous movie
With millions of lives on the line, the last line of defense held up – a low voltage switch.
Broken Arrow: Nuclear Near-Misses Through the Decades
May 22nd, 1957: Kirtland Air Force Base, New Mexico
A cow was killed and residents of Albuquerque terrified when a B-36 aircraft transporting a nuclear bomb from Texas to New Mexico fell through the bomb bay doors from 1,700 feet and detonated, blasting a crater 12 feet deep and 25 feet across. Luckily the nuclear capsule had separated from the bomb and did not explode.
February 5th, 1958: Savannah River, Georgia
A B-47 carrying a nuclear bomb collided midair with an F-86 jet during a training flight. The device was jettisoned and fell into the the river and has never been located.
March 14th, 1961: Yuba City, California
A crippled B-52 carrying a pair of nuclear bombs suffered a loss of pressure at 10,000 feet. The commander stayed aboard to pilot the plane away from Yuba City in California before ejecting at 4,000 feet. The plane crashed but nothing detonated and the bombs were recovered.
January 17th, 1966: Palomares, Spain
A B-52 carrying four hydrogen bombs blew up during an airborne refuel. Both planes and seven of the 11 crew members died in the explosion and all of the nuclear devices fell to the ground. Two exploded on impact near to Palomares and contaminated one square mile with plutonium. Another was recovered from a riverbed and the other fell into the Mediterranean Sea. A local fisherman saw the bomb fall and claimed salvage rights of 1 percent of the nuclear weapons $2 billion value. The Air Force settled out of court.
‘Only a single switch prevented the 24 megaton bomb from detonating and spreading fire and destruction over a wide area,’ Dr Lapp wrote.
‘It would have been bad news in spades,’ he further exclaimed.
Despite blasting Dr Lapp’s report for lacking ‘objectivity and accuracy,’ a Sandia national laboratories engineer (according to the Guardian) agreed with the main point.
‘One simple, dynamo technology, low-voltage switch stood between the United States and a major catastrophe!’ The engineer wrote in an added evaluation.
Sandi Labs was responsible for the mechanical safety of the bombs, according to The Guardian.
Even worse, as the bomb dropped and the detonation sequence carried out, three of the four safety mechanisms failed, resulting in a firing signal being sent to the bomb's nuclear core when it hit the ground, according to the Guardian.
'The MK 39 Mod 2 bomb did not possess adequate safety for the airborne alert role in the B-52,' the engineer concluded in the end.
The report as titled ‘Goldsboro Revisited or: How I learned to Mistrust the H-Bomb,’ a play on the movie ‘Dr Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb.’
The information was first uncovered by investigative journalist Eric Schlosser while doing research for a new book, according to the Guardian.
Mr Schlosser told the Guardian that he discovered at least 700 significant accidents in incidents involving the country's nuclear arsenal between 1950 and 1968.
'The US government has consistently tried to withhold information from the American people in order to prevent questions being asked about our nuclear weapons policy,' Mr Schlosser said to the paper.
'We were told there was no possibility of these weapons accidentally detonating, yet here's one that very nearly did,' he added.
20 Jan 1961, Washington, DC, USA -------- President John F. Kennedy making his inauguration speech from the balcony of the White House in Washington, DC.
Read more: US almost detonated atomic bomb over North Carolina at height of Cold War | Mail Online
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
See - they are still keeping you in the dark in the U.S.A. The lies were just huge and horrendous - even in the Kennedy era - and some of the truth is only now slowly being drip fed to all of you.
The Goldsboro incident has been known for some time. Very close call for sure. No real secret as it's been declassified under the Freedom of Information Act. Most of the other incidents were not worrisome. My dad was an engineer working on the atomic bombs during the cold war for 4-5 years. The bomb was constructed to not detonate unless it was armed prior to loading on the plane. A plane explosion or an unintended deployment would not result in detonation. It's unclear to me why the bombs were armed preflight in the Goldsboro incident. My dad only remembers arming the bombs once in all of their training exercises. That particular incident was not a training exercise and we actually armed the bombs, sent the B-52's out over the Atlantic heading to the USSR. Had they reached the failsafe point before being called back, a good chunk of the USSR would be a crater and quite Chernobyl-like. Obviously we called them back. That was in response to a very threatening and massive Soviet troop movement at the time.
Of course, this author wouldn't have the publicity he gets without a little sensationalism.
The personal irony for my dad and me is that he was no longer on active duty by 1961 (in the Air Force reserves) and living in Morganton, NC at the time. My oldest brother was just born and I wasn't born yet. He would have been killed by the very bomb he worked on and I would never have been. Of course, some here would consider that a missed opportunity.....
Of course, this author wouldn't have the publicity he gets without a little sensationalism.
The personal irony for my dad and me is that he was no longer on active duty by 1961 (in the Air Force reserves) and living in Morganton, NC at the time. My oldest brother was just born and I wasn't born yet. He would have been killed by the very bomb he worked on and I would never have been. Of course, some here would consider that a missed opportunity.....
David Morton
Lifetime Supporter
October 62 was the Cuban Crisis which went on for about 13 days. Was that the time you are referring to?
Every govt on the planet lies through its teeth every darned day...from 'little whites' to 'whoppers'. They have since the 1st one was formed. No one in their right mind over the age of, say, maybe 13-14 believes otherwise. (Today that age might even be a lot lower 'cause of the 'net, etc.)
The U-2 thing was what wised me up in that regard - permanently.
No, while the Cuban Crisis is well-documented for sure. I'm referring to the 1956 events of the Suez Crisis and Russian troop buildup in (I believe) Syria or on the border with Turkey which resulted in a "response" by Eisenhower. A meeting with the Soviet ambassador resulted in the Soviets backing off and Eisenhower continuing to try to diffuse the Suez invasion.
David Morton
Lifetime Supporter
Steve,
Thank you for that. I was nine at that time but I had lived in the Canal Zone in a place called Dever Soir for the first four years of my life. The Palestine conflict was raging at the time We lived there as a family (it seems as though it has gone on forever).
The Cuban crisis was probably the ultimate and I imagine just about every U.S.A.F.aeroplane involved was armed. I know just about everything in the R.A.F. was.
Thank you for that. I was nine at that time but I had lived in the Canal Zone in a place called Dever Soir for the first four years of my life. The Palestine conflict was raging at the time We lived there as a family (it seems as though it has gone on forever).
The Cuban crisis was probably the ultimate and I imagine just about every U.S.A.F.aeroplane involved was armed. I know just about everything in the R.A.F. was.
My dad said the bombs were on the B-52's, armed and over the atlantic before they were called back. At some point, there's a fail-safe where they can't be called back. Scary for sure. He said the colonel's and general's around him were pretty pale and sweaty. The bombs were apparently under the command of Air Materiel (my dad's attachment) and not the Strategic Air Command because no one trusted the bombs under the command of Curtis Lemay!
