Very rare Costin...

Keith

Moderator
What a beautiful car! Mid to late '60's the Nathan Costin Astra. Rarer than rocking horse apples.

Begs the question: if it could be competitive then, why not plywood monocoque in the 21st century? Is it too heavy?

Anyway fab looking race car pics courtesy of Ultimate Car Page.

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Keith,

Saw this thought of you another wooden chassis Jem MARsh / Frank COStin MARCOS,.
 

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Keith

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So you saw wood and thought of me Nick eh? Nice. :veryangry:

Anyway, yes, I had forgotten those and there was the Minigem also I believe in wood. However, I think the Marcos you pictured was a kind of 'X' frame in Ash rather like the Morgan still is (not entirely sure but I don't Google), but wood chassis are still out there..
 

Terry Oxandale

Skinny Man
Well soft wood yes, I never associate you with hard wood :)

OMG (yes, I said it, and for Keith or any others fixed in temporal cement, that means Oh My God), this is bringing back the nightmare of "wood" jokes from a string years back about a wooden car/motor/chasis/wheels/tires.

Quickly back to the sexy lines of this beautiful car (sans the roll hoop)!
 

Keith

Moderator
Terry, "Temporal Cement" I like that. Actually it used to be a problem but I'm all set now..

Anyway I think you may be referring to the cheap 'Hustler" wooden kit I bought a few years back.

Bring back any memories?

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Keith

Moderator
A V8 doesn't cure everything. It's a very tiny car and the FVA put out something like 250hp a huge amount of power for just 1600cc. It was built to compete with Elva, Ginetta and the inimitable Chevrons all with similarly small but powerful motors.

To give you an idea, I once raced against a Chevron B16 - beautiful car with I think a 2 litre BMW possibly - at Castle Combe near Bristol. I was driving a Roger Penske built tube framed Camaro putting out something like 550 hp. I weighed in at about 2,000lbs and I think the Chevron weighed something North of 1,500. I could not believe how fast that mother was. Certainly I could power past him on the limited straights, but he would inevitably mug me on every corner.

I do believe that his was more fun to drive than mine and his roof line didn't even come up to my door handle, and my Camaro was low!

I suppose it's a different philosophy. I loved the big bangers, but I had more fun with the small engines screamers and the bonus was, I learned to race better in a car where you had to keep the momentum up and keep the high revving motor in the narrow power band.
 
I love the Chevron B8, those also use the BMW 2.0 just 4 pot.

example,
This 1968 Chevron B8 DBE 70 is powered by a four-cylinder BMW B4T 0125 engine which is capable of producing 200 horsepower. It weighs just 1300 pounds and has a top speed of about 150 mph. Its first owner was Ian Skailes who purchased the car in 1969. It was exported and bought by Helmut Holch of Germany in 1970. Holch raced the car in Germany during the 1970 and 1971 season. It was crashed and rebuilt in the summer of 1970.
so just 1300 pounds and 200hp from that 4 pot BMW engine, same sort as this one>>

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I was driving a Roger Penske built tube framed Camaro putting out something like 550 hp. I weighed in at about 2,000lbs and I think the Chevron weighed something North of 1,500. I could not believe how fast that mother was. Certainly I could power past him on the limited straights, but he would inevitably mug me on every corner.

This is like the stories I have read in the Automobile about races in the 1930's when the little 1 litre three wheeled JAP engined Morgan's used to get blasted past by the 4 1/4 litre blower Bentleys on the straights, only to repass them at the corners.
 
A V8 doesn't cure everything. It's a very tiny car and the FVA put out something like 250hp a huge amount of power for just 1600cc. It was built to compete with Elva, Ginetta and the inimitable Chevrons all with similarly small but powerful motors.

To give you an idea, I once raced against a Chevron B16 - beautiful car with I think a 2 litre BMW possibly - at Castle Combe near Bristol. I was driving a Roger Penske built tube framed Camaro putting out something like 550 hp. I weighed in at about 2,000lbs and I think the Chevron weighed something North of 1,500. I could not believe how fast that mother was. Certainly I could power past him on the limited straights, but he would inevitably mug me on every corner.

I do believe that his was more fun to drive than mine and his roof line didn't even come up to my door handle, and my Camaro was low!

I suppose it's a different philosophy. I loved the big bangers, but I had more fun with the small engines screamers and the bonus was, I learned to race better in a car where you had to keep the momentum up and keep the high revving motor in the narrow power band.

Yup, I certainly do hear that Hardy. Having raced some small bore stuff, I understand that approach. Against other small bore cars it's a hoot. When there's more powerful cars on the track it's frustrating working hard for fractions of a second in the corners just to lose it all when the big boys blow by on the straight as the right foot is trying to bore a hole in the floor boards. It's a lot more fun being out front than in the middle scrapping for a small bore class win. That's just me though.

There are some notable small cars which are also quite beautiful, but come with V8/V12/flat8's of decent size/power - alfa 33/3, porsche 908, and ferrari 312P for example. These are very beautiful and exciting cars to watch race too, and they're often right out front.

No doubt that Costin is a sweet heart. Probably go up in flames pretty quick being wood though - have to watch out for gas leaks.
 
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