Lynn Larsen
Lynn Larsen
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Who owns the rights to the GT40 Body?
- Thread starter ChrisMartino
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I heared that the Japanese model company was put off making a 1/12th model kit of the Ford GT(40) because they did not know who owned the rights.
Incidentially the original Ford GT's MKI and MKII's chassis numbers were prefix GT with no reference to GT40. The original conception of Ford's racing program when they could not purchase Ferrari was called the 'Ford GT' program. So when and why were the prefix GT40 introduced?
The first car with the prefix GT40 in Ronnie Spains book is was built in March 1965. Why this was done??? Where did the prefix come from officially (I know its the height). On whose authorisation was it implemented? It was out of line with Ford's naming of race cars. Indeeed they were etheir given a name i.e. Cobra, Galaxie from their production name or in the case of bought in and rival cars. Lola MK6 it heritage versions and the Lola T70 it date of conception. So really it was the press that started this? Perhaps it should of been called the Ford GT64? 65, 66 and so on. The John Wyers cars were not official Ford entries. Do not forget some of the subsequent Ford racing cars went done the dateline the P68, P69, G7A, HonkerII, Cougar Cobra, GT70, GT90. Names and times except for G7A (J9) which used a J car chassis. The other car that has a prefix outside of my simple explaination was the C100??
John Horseman in his book considers the cars produce at FAV/JWA Banbury Road Slough as original Ford GT40's. According to his count the last original Ford GT40 was P1084. Even though in Ronnie Spains book it states that P1085 was the last chassis to be numbered by the works.
Safirs MKV continued the numbering after Tennant chassis numbers. And I suppose Superperformance will continue on.
As for the Ford GT name any Ford car that races in the GT saloon catergory could of been call this Cortinas, Mustangs, Cobras and so on.
The only thing that is lacking is the word 'Ford' which can only be used on an original.
Regards Allan
Incidentially the original Ford GT's MKI and MKII's chassis numbers were prefix GT with no reference to GT40. The original conception of Ford's racing program when they could not purchase Ferrari was called the 'Ford GT' program. So when and why were the prefix GT40 introduced?
The first car with the prefix GT40 in Ronnie Spains book is was built in March 1965. Why this was done??? Where did the prefix come from officially (I know its the height). On whose authorisation was it implemented? It was out of line with Ford's naming of race cars. Indeeed they were etheir given a name i.e. Cobra, Galaxie from their production name or in the case of bought in and rival cars. Lola MK6 it heritage versions and the Lola T70 it date of conception. So really it was the press that started this? Perhaps it should of been called the Ford GT64? 65, 66 and so on. The John Wyers cars were not official Ford entries. Do not forget some of the subsequent Ford racing cars went done the dateline the P68, P69, G7A, HonkerII, Cougar Cobra, GT70, GT90. Names and times except for G7A (J9) which used a J car chassis. The other car that has a prefix outside of my simple explaination was the C100??
John Horseman in his book considers the cars produce at FAV/JWA Banbury Road Slough as original Ford GT40's. According to his count the last original Ford GT40 was P1084. Even though in Ronnie Spains book it states that P1085 was the last chassis to be numbered by the works.
Safirs MKV continued the numbering after Tennant chassis numbers. And I suppose Superperformance will continue on.
As for the Ford GT name any Ford car that races in the GT saloon catergory could of been call this Cortinas, Mustangs, Cobras and so on.
The only thing that is lacking is the word 'Ford' which can only be used on an original.
Regards Allan
It's only my humble opinion, but it appears the people at Safir are nothing but squatters on the name. No better than people who reserve web pages in the names of celebrities or businesses, hoping to cash in on it when the rightful owner wants to use it. Lucky for them, Ford didn't want to waste their time suing over it (or at least not yet). Who would have thought that you would have to trademark the serial numbers from your own cars to be able to use them later? If I was Ford, I would have squashed Safir like the bugs they are. 7.5%??? You greedy bastards. Asking $40M for something they came up with in the first place? It's a little different when someone sells an item with the Ford name on it that costs $100... It's a little different when scum bags ask for that percentage on a $150,000 car. Mr. Wood, people like you make me sick. You deserve every bit of the derogatory press you receive and more!
Safir Engineering aren't squatters. You need to get your information right before you spout from your pie hole. Safir built some continuation cars and then noticed that the GT40 trademark was available. This was a long time ago. Ford is to blame for not picking up the trademark.
And the $40M story you allude to is incorrect. Ford never proclaimed the car to be a "GT40". That name was applied by the press.
And the $40M story you allude to is incorrect. Ford never proclaimed the car to be a "GT40". That name was applied by the press.
I've just found this post thanks to Leif, an individual lacking in foresight tact or indeed commonsense. Perhaps the community is better off without your input.:lipsrsealed:
Well done to Bob. You had the foresight to buy something that Ford Didn't want.......and when they do want it you should be able to sell what you own for as much or as little profit as you like. Simple as that. Enthusiasts don't go all weak at the knees because they get an offer. They accept what they beleive is fair for their little dream or their passion.
Fair play to you Bob, an interesting story which like everything has two sides and in the end is an interesting postscript to the original GT40 and more importantly perhaps shows how little Ford cares about it's history......
The comment about the term GT and it's touring car status here in Aus and elsewhere on this thread kind of illustrates the point further.
just my two penneth worth
Well done to Bob. You had the foresight to buy something that Ford Didn't want.......and when they do want it you should be able to sell what you own for as much or as little profit as you like. Simple as that. Enthusiasts don't go all weak at the knees because they get an offer. They accept what they beleive is fair for their little dream or their passion.
Fair play to you Bob, an interesting story which like everything has two sides and in the end is an interesting postscript to the original GT40 and more importantly perhaps shows how little Ford cares about it's history......
The comment about the term GT and it's touring car status here in Aus and elsewhere on this thread kind of illustrates the point further.
just my two penneth worth
And now with the Ford GT in the FIA GT Championship (and doing quite well!) developed by what I think is an independant team who have seemingly modified the body for racing, the whole story can now start over again! That should keep this thread going the next 40 years or so.....
ERA has the MK-II rear clip and front clip made 16 years ago. The ERA-MK-II ran out of gas in the highway at the SAAC at Portland in 1992. They did a blue and white (Shelby's Ken Miles winning car that ended 2nd) in the early 90's. It was cheaper for Ford to request ERA for 3 complete MK-II cars (they already had 1) and ship them to England for Goodwood.
Are you talking about the 2003 display at the Goodwood Festival of Speed? Or the actual first three 1966 finishing Le Mans cars? Which went on to parade at Le Mans in 2003?
Regards Allan
There was a series of posts discussing the three cars in the tilt up display at Goodwood. Mark Sibley and Chris Melia both had some comments about who built or supplied what for those cars. ERA was never mentioned as supplying any of it. As I recall the owners of those cars also had some comments and they didn't include ERA.
The cars on the 2003 tilt display were MDA's I helped Chris Melia by lending him a Japanese car magazine with P1015 in it.
The first replica cars GT40 with the right tail for the MKII were SAFIR's. The ERA's were not involved in Goodwood 2003 at all. Regards Allan
Johan the Lola T70 was indeed Type 70 as you said. But it never followed a Type 60 as far as I know. Its replacement was a T160 and that was followed by a T163. So concurrent numbering does not always play a part. Since the first Lola was a Mark 1 and the 1963 Lola GT was a Mark 6. Incendentially I was corrected in my assumption that the GT40 was the only Ford sportcar named by its height. The Ford C100 was also call by its height of 100cm.
Regards Allan
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Allan, the first Lola was the Broadley Special. It was named Lola, but was not "a Lola". It was "The Lola". I know this is overkill for this thread, but since it is the 50th anniversary of Lola Cars (the company"), here are the Lola Types in order of appearance, from the Lola Heritage website that I am involved with by the way so please visit (Lola Heritage). One thing is for sure. They could not make up their minds on how to name the cars..
The Chassis numbers give more information still. For instance, a T70 can have a chassis number starting with SL70,SL71, SL73, SL75, SL76, HU71, HU76 etc...and still be a T70. SL stands for Slough and HU stands for Huntington.
The numbering was consecutive and the missing numbers wwere updates to a series that never materialized.
I am not able to answer the question which forms the basis of this thread, but I am sure that the GT40 would not be the thing of beauty it is today without the involvement of Lola.
Broadley Special 1956-57 1172 Clubman's Special. Ford 4
Mk1 1958-62 1100 Sports Racer.
Coventry Climax 4
Mk1A 1962 1500 Sports Racer. Martin-Ford 4
Mk2 1960 Front engined F. Junior. Ford 4
Mk3 1961 Rear engined F. Junior. Ford 4
Mk4 1962 Formula 1. Coventry Climax V8
Mk4A 1962 Formula 1. Coventry Climax V8
Mk5 1962 Formula Junior. Ford 4
Mk5A 1963 Formula Junior. Ford 4
Mk6 (GT) 1963 Group 6 Sports Racer. Ford/Chevrolet V8
T53 1964 Formula 3. Ford 4
T54 1964 Formula 2. Ford 4
T55 1964 Formula 2. Ford 4
T60 1965-66 Formula 2 and 3. Ford 4
T61 1966 Formula 2 Ford 4
T62 1966-67 Formula 2 Ford 4
T70 1965 Group 7, 9. Chevrolet V8
T70 MkII 1966 Group 7. Chevrolet V8
T70 MkIII 1967-68 Group 4, 6 and 7. Chevrolet V8
T70 MkIIIB 1967 Group 7. Chevrolet V8
T70 MkIIIb 1969 Group 4. Chevrolet V8
T80 1965 USAC Indy Car. Ford V8
T90 1966 USAC Indy Car. Ford V8
T92 1967 USAC Indy Car. (N.B. Also known as the T90 Mk2) Ford V8
T100 1967 Formula 2. Ford/BMW 4
T102 1968 Formula 2. BMW 4
T110 1967 Projected Formula 1. -
T120 1967 Group 7 Hillclimb. BMW 4
T130 1967 Formula 1 (Honda RA300). Honda V12
T140 1968 Formula 5000. Chevrolet V8
T142 1969 Formula 5000. Chevrolet V8
T150 1968 USAC Indy Car. Ford V8
T152 1969 USAC Indy Car. Offenhauser 4
T153 1970 USAC Indy car. Ford V8 - Rear
T160 1968 Group 7 Can Am. Chevrolet V8 - Rear
T162 1969 Group 7 Can Am. Chevrolet V8 - Rear
T163 1969 Group 7 Can Am. Chevrolet V8 - Rear
T164 1969 Group 7 Can Am. Chevrolet V8 - Rear
T165 1970 Group 7 Can Am. Chevrolet V8 - Rear
T180 1968 Formula 1 (Honda RA301). Honda V12 - Rear
T190 1970 Formula 5000. Chevrolet V8 - Rear
T190X 1970 Formula 5000. Chevrolet V8 - Rear
T192 1970-71 Formula 5000. Chevrolet V8 - Rear
T200 1970 F. Ford 1600. Ford 4 - Rear
T202 1970-71 F. Ford 1600. Ford 4 - Rear
T204 1971-72 F. Ford 1600. Ford 4 - Rear
T210 1970 Group 6 2-litre Sports Car. Ford 4 - Rear
T212 1971 Group 6 2-litre Sports Car. Ford 4 - Rear
T220 1970 Group 7 Can Am. Chevrolet V8 - Rear
T222 1971 Group 7 Can Am. Chevrolet V8 - Rear
T230 1970 Projected Formula 1. -
T240 1971 Formula 2. Ford 4 - Rear
T242 1971 F5000 - reassigned* Chevrolet V8 - Rear
T242 1972 *FB, F Atlantic. Ford 4 - Rear
T250 1971 F. Super Vee. VW 4 - Rear
T252 1971-72 F. Super Vee. VW 4 - Rear
T260 1971 Group 7 Can Am. Chevrolet V8 - Rear
T270 1972 USAC Indy Car. Ford V8/Offy 4 - Rear
T280 1972 3-litre Sports Car. Ford V8 - Rear
T282 1973 3-litre Sports Car. Ford V8 - Rear
T286 1976-77 3-litre Sports Car. Ford V8 - Rear
T290 1972 2-litre Sports Car. Ford/Vega 4 - Rear
T292 1973 2-litre Sports Car. Ford/Vega 4 - Rear
T294 1974 2-litre Sports Car. Ford 4 - Rear
T296 1976-77 2-litre Sports Car. Ford 4 - Rear
T297 1978 2-litre Sports Car. Ford 4 - Rear
T298 1978-80 2-litre Sports Car. Ford 4 - Rear
T299 1981 2-litre Sports Car. Ford 4 - Rear
T300 1972 Formula 5000. Chevrolet V8 - Rear
T310 1972 Can Am. Chevrolet V8 - Rear
T320 1973 F. Super Vee. VW 4 - Rear
T322 1974 F. Super Vee. VW 4 - Rear
T324 1975 F. Super Vee. VW 4 - Rear
T326 1976 F. Super Vee. VW 4 - Rear
T328 1977 F. Super Vee. VW 4 - Rear
T330 1973 Formula 5000. Chevrolet V8 - Rear
T332 1974-75 Formula 5000. Chevrolet V8 - Rear
T332C 1976 Formula 5000. Chevrolet V8 - Rear
T332CS 1977 Can-Am. (T332 bodywork update kit by Carl Haas) Chevrolet V8 - Rear
T333CS 1977-79 Can-Am. Chevrolet V8 - Rear
T340 1973-74 F. Ford 1600. Ford 4 - Rear
T342 1975 F. Ford 1600. Ford 4 - Rear
T350 1975 Formula 3. Toyota 4 - Rear
T360 1974-75 Formula 3/B/Atlantic. Ford 4 - Rear
T370 1974-75 Formula 1 Hill. Ford V8 - Rear
T380 1975 3-litre Sports Car. Ford V8 - Rear
T385 1979-80 Group C Nimrod. Aston Martin V8 - Rear
T390 1975 2-litre Sports Car. Hart/BMW 4 - Rear
T400 1975 Formula 5000. Chevrolet V8 - Rear
T410 1975-76 Formula Super Renault. Renault - Rear
T430 1976 Formula 5000. Chevrolet V8 - Rear
T440 1976-78 Formula Ford. Ford 4 - Rear
T440C 1976 SCCA F. Continental (changed to T480). Ford 4 - Rear
T450 1976 Formula 2. Ford/BMW 4 - Rear
T460 1976 Formula Atlantic. Ford 4 - Rear
T470 1976 Formula 3. Ford/Toyota 4 - Rear
T480 1976-77 SCCA F. Continental. Ford 4 - Rear
T490 1977 Sports 2000. Ford 4 - Rear
T492 1978-79 Sports 2000. Ford 4 - Rear
T496 1977 SCCA C Sports. Ford 4 - Rear
T497 1978 SCCA C Sports. Ford 4 - Rear
T500 1978-79 USAC. Cosworth V8 - Rear
T506 1977-79 Mini Grand Prix. Sachs Wankel - Rear
T506B 1979-84 Mini Grand Prix. Rotax - Rear
T510 1977 Formula Super Renault. Renault - Rear
T530 1980 Can Am. Chevrolet V8 - Rear
T540 1979-81 F. Ford 1600 (USA). Ford 4 - Rear
T540E 1979-81 F. Ford 1600 (Europe). Ford 4 - Rear
T550 1977 Formula 2. Abarth 6 - Rear
T560 1977 F Atlantic (also T460 update kit). Ford 4 - Rear
T570 1977 Formula 3. Toyota 4 - Rear
T580 1979-80 F. Ford 2000. Ford 4 - Rear
T582 1981 F. Ford 2000. Ford 4 - Rear
T590 1980 Sports 2000. Ford 4 - Rear
T592 1981 Sports 2000. Ford 4 - Rear
T592S 1981-82 Sports 2000. Ford 4 - Rear
T594 1983 Sports 2000 Ford 4 - Rear
T594C 1983 C Sports. Ford 4 - Rear
T596 1984 Sports 2000 Ford 4 - Rear
T596C 1984 C Sports. Ford 4 - Rear
T598 1985 Sports 2000 Ford 4 - Rear
T598C 1985 C Sports. Ford 4 - Rear
T600 1981-82 GTP/Grp. C. Chevrolet/Cosworth V8/BMW 4
T610 1982-83 Grp. C. Chevrolet/Cosworth V8
T616 1983 GTPL/Grp. C Junior. Mazda Rotary /Polimotor 4
T620 1978 F. Super Vee. VW 4 - Rear
T622 1979 F. Super Vee. VW 4 - Rear
T640 1982 F. Ford 1600 (USA). Ford 4 - Rear
T640E 1982 F. Ford 1600 (Europe). Ford 4 - Rear
T642 1983 F. Ford 1600 (USA). Ford 4 - Rear
T642E 1983 F. Ford 1600 (Europe). Ford 4 - Rear
T644 1984 F. Ford 1600 (USA). Ford 4 - Rear
T644E 1984 F. Ford 1600 (Europe). Ford 4 - Rear
T660 1978 Projected Formula Atlantic. Ford 4 - Rear
T670 1978 Formula 3. Toyota 4 - Rear
T672 1979 Formula 3. Toyota 4 - Rear
T680 1983-84 F. Ford 2000. Ford 4 - Rear
T700 1983 CART. Cosworth V8 - Rear
T710 1984 Corvette GTP. Chevrolet V6/V8 - Rear
T711 1985 Corvette GTP. Chevrolet V8 - Rear
T720 1979 Projected F. Super Vee. VW 4 - Rear
T722 1980 Projected F. Super Vee. VW 4 - Rear
T740 1985 Projected F. Ford 1600. Ford 4 - Rear
T760 1979 Formula Atlantic. Ford 4 - Rear
T770 1979-80 Formula 3. Toyota 4 - Rear
T770/2 1980 Formula 3. Toyota 4 - Rear
T800 1984 CART. Cosworth V8 - Rear
T810 1985 GTP/Grp C1 Nissan. Nissan V6 - Rear
T820 1983 Projected F. Super Vee. VW 4 - Rear
T850 1981 Toleman Hart F2. Hart/BMW 4 - Rear
T860 1981 Formula Atlantic. Ford 4 - Rear
T862 1983 Projected Formula Atlantic. Ford 4 - Rear
T870 1983 Formula 3. Toyota 4 - Rear
T900 1985 CART. Cosworth V8 - Rear
T950 1985 Formula 3000. Cosworth V8 - Rear
T86/00 1986 CART. Cosworth V8 - Rear
T86/10 1986 Corvette GTP. Corvette V6 - Rear
T86/12 1986 Corvette GTP. Corvette V6 - Rear
T86/50 1986 Formula 3000. Cosworth V8 - Rear
T86/90 1986 Sports 2000. Ford 4 - Rear
T87/00 1987 CART. Cosworth/Chevrolet V8 - Rear
T87/10 1987 Corvette GTP. Corvette V6 - Rear
T87/30 1987 Formula 1 (Larousse). Cosworth V8 - Rear
T87/50 1987 Formula 3000. Cosworth/Honda V8 - Rear
T87/90 1987 Sports 2000. Ford 4 - Rear
T88/00 1988 CART. Cosworth/Chevrolet/Judd V8/Buick V6 - Rear
T88/11 1988 Corvette GTP. Corvette V8 - Rear
T88/30 1988 Formula 1 (Larousse). Cosworth V8 - Rear
T88/40 1988 Grand Champion Sportscar.
Raced as the R&D 88Q Mazda - Rear
T88/50 1988 Formula 3000. Cosworth/Mugen V8 - Rear
T88/90 1988 Sports 2000. Ford 4 - Rear
T89/00 1989 CART. Cosworth/Chevrolet/Judd V8/Buick V6 - Rear
T89/10 1989 Grp C/GTP (Nissan R89C). Nissan V8 - Rear
T89/30 1989 Formula 1 (Larousse). Lamborghini V12 - Rear
T89/50 1989 Formula 3000. Cosworth/Mugen V8 - Rear
T89/90 1989 Sports 2000. Ford 4 - Rear
T90/00 1990 CART. Cosworth/Chevrolet/Judd V8/Buick V6 - Rear
T90/10 1990 Grp C (Nissan R90CK/CP). Nissan V8 - Rear
T90/30 1990 Formula 1 (Larrousse). Lamborghini V12 - Rear
T90/50 1990 Formula 3000. Cosworth/Mugen V8 - Rear
T90/90 1990 Sports 2000. Ford 4 - Rear
T91/00 1991 CART. Cosworth/Chevrolet/Judd/Alfa V8/Buick V6 - Rear
T91/10 1991 Grp C (Nissan R91CP). Nissan V8 - Rear
T91/30 1991 Formula 1 (Larrousse). Cosworth V8 - Rear
T91/50 1991 Formula 3000. Cosworth/Mugen V8 - Rear
T91/90 1991 Sports 2000. Ford 4 - Rear
T92/00 1992 CART. Cosworth/Chevrolet/Judd V8/Buick V6 - Rear
T92/10 1992 Grp C. Judd V10 - Rear
T92/50 1992 Formula 3000. Cosworth/Mugen V8 - Rear
T93/00 1993 CART. Cosworth/Chevrolet V8/Buick V6 - Rear
T93/20 1993-96 Indy Lights. Buick V6 - Rear
T93/30 1993 F1 (BMS Scuderia Italia). Ferrari V12 - Rear
T93/50 1993 Formula 3000. Cosworth/Mugen - Rear
T94/00 1994 CART. Cosworth/Ilmor V8/Buick V6 - Rear
T94/50 1994 Formula 3000. Cosworth/Mugen/Judd V8 - Rear
T95/00 1995 CART. Cosworth/Mercedes V8/Buick V6 - Rear
T95/30 1995 Formula 1 test hack. Cosworth V8 - Rear
T95/50 1995 Formula 3000. Cosworth/Mugen V8 - Rear
T96/00 1996 CART. Cosworth/Mercedes V8/Menard V6 - Rear
T96/50 1996-98 Formula 3000. Zytek-Judd V8 - Rear
T96/51 1996 Formula Nippon. Mugen V8 - Rear
T96/52 1996 Formula Nippon. Mugen V8 - Rear
T96/70 1996 Mexican F3000. Chrysler V6 - Rear
T97/00 1997 CART. Cosworth/Honda V8 - Rear
T97/20 1997 Indy Lights. Buick V6 - Rear
T97/30 1997 Formula 1. Cosworth Zetec V8 - Rear
T97/51 1997 Formula Nippon. Mugen V8 - Rear
T98/00 1998 CART. Cosworth V8 - Rear
B98/10 1998 Sports Car, ISRS. Various - Rear
T98/51 1998 Formula Nippon. Mugen V8 - Rear
B99/00 1999 Indy Car. Cosworth/Mercedes/Toyota V8 - Rear
B99/50 1999-01 Formula 3000. Zytek V8 - Rear
B99/51 1999 Formula Nippon. Mugen V8 - Rear
B2K/00 2000 CART. Cosworth/Mercedes/Toyota V8 - Rear
B2K/10 2000 SR1 Sports Car. Judd V10/AER - Rear
B2K/40 2000 SR2 Sports Car. Various - Rear
B01/00 2001 CART. Cosworth/Toyota V8 - Rear
B01/60 2001-02 LMP675
(Lola MG EX257). AER-MG 4 - Rear
B01/70 2001 MG Touring Car. MG KV6 - Front
B02/00 2002 CART. Cosworth/Honda/Toyota V8 - Rear
B02/50 2002-06 F3000. Zytek V8 - Rear
B03/00 2003-6 CART. Cosworth V8 - Rear
B03/51 2003-05 Formula Nippon. Mugen V8 - Rear
Lola-Dome
F106/03 2003 Formula 3. Mugen-Honda 4 - Rear
Lola-Dome
F106/04 2004 Formula 3. Mugen-Honda 4 - Rear
A1GP 2005-8 A1 Grand Prix. Zytek V8 - Rear
B05/30 2005 Formula 3. Mugen-Honda 4 - Rear
B05/40 2005 LMP2 Sportscar
(Lola MG EX264). Various - Rear
B05/42 2005 LMP2 Sportscar. Zytek V8 - Rear
B06/10 2006 LMP1 Sportscar. AER V8 - Rear
B06/30 2006 Formula 3. Spiess 4 - Rear
B06/43 2006 LMP2 Sportscar. Honda Acura - Rear
B06/51 2006-08 Formula Nippon. Honda/Toyota V8 - Rear
B07/10 2007 LMP1 Sportscar. Judd/Audi V8- Rear
B07/46 2007 LMP2 Sportscar. Mazda 4 - Rear
B07/90 2006-08 Sports 2000. Ford 4 - Rear
B08/60 2008 LMP2 Coupe. Judd V8 - Rear
B08/70 2008 GrandAm. Pontiac V8 - Rear
B08/80 2008 LMP1 Coupe. Aston Martin V12 - Rear
B08/? 2008 Trackday. Cosworth - Rear
N.B. The CART chassis suffix 01 e.g. T87/01 refers to the speedway, low downforce variant of the type.
The Chassis numbers give more information still. For instance, a T70 can have a chassis number starting with SL70,SL71, SL73, SL75, SL76, HU71, HU76 etc...and still be a T70. SL stands for Slough and HU stands for Huntington.
The numbering was consecutive and the missing numbers wwere updates to a series that never materialized.
I am not able to answer the question which forms the basis of this thread, but I am sure that the GT40 would not be the thing of beauty it is today without the involvement of Lola.
Broadley Special 1956-57 1172 Clubman's Special. Ford 4
Mk1 1958-62 1100 Sports Racer.
Coventry Climax 4
Mk1A 1962 1500 Sports Racer. Martin-Ford 4
Mk2 1960 Front engined F. Junior. Ford 4
Mk3 1961 Rear engined F. Junior. Ford 4
Mk4 1962 Formula 1. Coventry Climax V8
Mk4A 1962 Formula 1. Coventry Climax V8
Mk5 1962 Formula Junior. Ford 4
Mk5A 1963 Formula Junior. Ford 4
Mk6 (GT) 1963 Group 6 Sports Racer. Ford/Chevrolet V8
T53 1964 Formula 3. Ford 4
T54 1964 Formula 2. Ford 4
T55 1964 Formula 2. Ford 4
T60 1965-66 Formula 2 and 3. Ford 4
T61 1966 Formula 2 Ford 4
T62 1966-67 Formula 2 Ford 4
T70 1965 Group 7, 9. Chevrolet V8
T70 MkII 1966 Group 7. Chevrolet V8
T70 MkIII 1967-68 Group 4, 6 and 7. Chevrolet V8
T70 MkIIIB 1967 Group 7. Chevrolet V8
T70 MkIIIb 1969 Group 4. Chevrolet V8
T80 1965 USAC Indy Car. Ford V8
T90 1966 USAC Indy Car. Ford V8
T92 1967 USAC Indy Car. (N.B. Also known as the T90 Mk2) Ford V8
T100 1967 Formula 2. Ford/BMW 4
T102 1968 Formula 2. BMW 4
T110 1967 Projected Formula 1. -
T120 1967 Group 7 Hillclimb. BMW 4
T130 1967 Formula 1 (Honda RA300). Honda V12
T140 1968 Formula 5000. Chevrolet V8
T142 1969 Formula 5000. Chevrolet V8
T150 1968 USAC Indy Car. Ford V8
T152 1969 USAC Indy Car. Offenhauser 4
T153 1970 USAC Indy car. Ford V8 - Rear
T160 1968 Group 7 Can Am. Chevrolet V8 - Rear
T162 1969 Group 7 Can Am. Chevrolet V8 - Rear
T163 1969 Group 7 Can Am. Chevrolet V8 - Rear
T164 1969 Group 7 Can Am. Chevrolet V8 - Rear
T165 1970 Group 7 Can Am. Chevrolet V8 - Rear
T180 1968 Formula 1 (Honda RA301). Honda V12 - Rear
T190 1970 Formula 5000. Chevrolet V8 - Rear
T190X 1970 Formula 5000. Chevrolet V8 - Rear
T192 1970-71 Formula 5000. Chevrolet V8 - Rear
T200 1970 F. Ford 1600. Ford 4 - Rear
T202 1970-71 F. Ford 1600. Ford 4 - Rear
T204 1971-72 F. Ford 1600. Ford 4 - Rear
T210 1970 Group 6 2-litre Sports Car. Ford 4 - Rear
T212 1971 Group 6 2-litre Sports Car. Ford 4 - Rear
T220 1970 Group 7 Can Am. Chevrolet V8 - Rear
T222 1971 Group 7 Can Am. Chevrolet V8 - Rear
T230 1970 Projected Formula 1. -
T240 1971 Formula 2. Ford 4 - Rear
T242 1971 F5000 - reassigned* Chevrolet V8 - Rear
T242 1972 *FB, F Atlantic. Ford 4 - Rear
T250 1971 F. Super Vee. VW 4 - Rear
T252 1971-72 F. Super Vee. VW 4 - Rear
T260 1971 Group 7 Can Am. Chevrolet V8 - Rear
T270 1972 USAC Indy Car. Ford V8/Offy 4 - Rear
T280 1972 3-litre Sports Car. Ford V8 - Rear
T282 1973 3-litre Sports Car. Ford V8 - Rear
T286 1976-77 3-litre Sports Car. Ford V8 - Rear
T290 1972 2-litre Sports Car. Ford/Vega 4 - Rear
T292 1973 2-litre Sports Car. Ford/Vega 4 - Rear
T294 1974 2-litre Sports Car. Ford 4 - Rear
T296 1976-77 2-litre Sports Car. Ford 4 - Rear
T297 1978 2-litre Sports Car. Ford 4 - Rear
T298 1978-80 2-litre Sports Car. Ford 4 - Rear
T299 1981 2-litre Sports Car. Ford 4 - Rear
T300 1972 Formula 5000. Chevrolet V8 - Rear
T310 1972 Can Am. Chevrolet V8 - Rear
T320 1973 F. Super Vee. VW 4 - Rear
T322 1974 F. Super Vee. VW 4 - Rear
T324 1975 F. Super Vee. VW 4 - Rear
T326 1976 F. Super Vee. VW 4 - Rear
T328 1977 F. Super Vee. VW 4 - Rear
T330 1973 Formula 5000. Chevrolet V8 - Rear
T332 1974-75 Formula 5000. Chevrolet V8 - Rear
T332C 1976 Formula 5000. Chevrolet V8 - Rear
T332CS 1977 Can-Am. (T332 bodywork update kit by Carl Haas) Chevrolet V8 - Rear
T333CS 1977-79 Can-Am. Chevrolet V8 - Rear
T340 1973-74 F. Ford 1600. Ford 4 - Rear
T342 1975 F. Ford 1600. Ford 4 - Rear
T350 1975 Formula 3. Toyota 4 - Rear
T360 1974-75 Formula 3/B/Atlantic. Ford 4 - Rear
T370 1974-75 Formula 1 Hill. Ford V8 - Rear
T380 1975 3-litre Sports Car. Ford V8 - Rear
T385 1979-80 Group C Nimrod. Aston Martin V8 - Rear
T390 1975 2-litre Sports Car. Hart/BMW 4 - Rear
T400 1975 Formula 5000. Chevrolet V8 - Rear
T410 1975-76 Formula Super Renault. Renault - Rear
T430 1976 Formula 5000. Chevrolet V8 - Rear
T440 1976-78 Formula Ford. Ford 4 - Rear
T440C 1976 SCCA F. Continental (changed to T480). Ford 4 - Rear
T450 1976 Formula 2. Ford/BMW 4 - Rear
T460 1976 Formula Atlantic. Ford 4 - Rear
T470 1976 Formula 3. Ford/Toyota 4 - Rear
T480 1976-77 SCCA F. Continental. Ford 4 - Rear
T490 1977 Sports 2000. Ford 4 - Rear
T492 1978-79 Sports 2000. Ford 4 - Rear
T496 1977 SCCA C Sports. Ford 4 - Rear
T497 1978 SCCA C Sports. Ford 4 - Rear
T500 1978-79 USAC. Cosworth V8 - Rear
T506 1977-79 Mini Grand Prix. Sachs Wankel - Rear
T506B 1979-84 Mini Grand Prix. Rotax - Rear
T510 1977 Formula Super Renault. Renault - Rear
T530 1980 Can Am. Chevrolet V8 - Rear
T540 1979-81 F. Ford 1600 (USA). Ford 4 - Rear
T540E 1979-81 F. Ford 1600 (Europe). Ford 4 - Rear
T550 1977 Formula 2. Abarth 6 - Rear
T560 1977 F Atlantic (also T460 update kit). Ford 4 - Rear
T570 1977 Formula 3. Toyota 4 - Rear
T580 1979-80 F. Ford 2000. Ford 4 - Rear
T582 1981 F. Ford 2000. Ford 4 - Rear
T590 1980 Sports 2000. Ford 4 - Rear
T592 1981 Sports 2000. Ford 4 - Rear
T592S 1981-82 Sports 2000. Ford 4 - Rear
T594 1983 Sports 2000 Ford 4 - Rear
T594C 1983 C Sports. Ford 4 - Rear
T596 1984 Sports 2000 Ford 4 - Rear
T596C 1984 C Sports. Ford 4 - Rear
T598 1985 Sports 2000 Ford 4 - Rear
T598C 1985 C Sports. Ford 4 - Rear
T600 1981-82 GTP/Grp. C. Chevrolet/Cosworth V8/BMW 4
T610 1982-83 Grp. C. Chevrolet/Cosworth V8
T616 1983 GTPL/Grp. C Junior. Mazda Rotary /Polimotor 4
T620 1978 F. Super Vee. VW 4 - Rear
T622 1979 F. Super Vee. VW 4 - Rear
T640 1982 F. Ford 1600 (USA). Ford 4 - Rear
T640E 1982 F. Ford 1600 (Europe). Ford 4 - Rear
T642 1983 F. Ford 1600 (USA). Ford 4 - Rear
T642E 1983 F. Ford 1600 (Europe). Ford 4 - Rear
T644 1984 F. Ford 1600 (USA). Ford 4 - Rear
T644E 1984 F. Ford 1600 (Europe). Ford 4 - Rear
T660 1978 Projected Formula Atlantic. Ford 4 - Rear
T670 1978 Formula 3. Toyota 4 - Rear
T672 1979 Formula 3. Toyota 4 - Rear
T680 1983-84 F. Ford 2000. Ford 4 - Rear
T700 1983 CART. Cosworth V8 - Rear
T710 1984 Corvette GTP. Chevrolet V6/V8 - Rear
T711 1985 Corvette GTP. Chevrolet V8 - Rear
T720 1979 Projected F. Super Vee. VW 4 - Rear
T722 1980 Projected F. Super Vee. VW 4 - Rear
T740 1985 Projected F. Ford 1600. Ford 4 - Rear
T760 1979 Formula Atlantic. Ford 4 - Rear
T770 1979-80 Formula 3. Toyota 4 - Rear
T770/2 1980 Formula 3. Toyota 4 - Rear
T800 1984 CART. Cosworth V8 - Rear
T810 1985 GTP/Grp C1 Nissan. Nissan V6 - Rear
T820 1983 Projected F. Super Vee. VW 4 - Rear
T850 1981 Toleman Hart F2. Hart/BMW 4 - Rear
T860 1981 Formula Atlantic. Ford 4 - Rear
T862 1983 Projected Formula Atlantic. Ford 4 - Rear
T870 1983 Formula 3. Toyota 4 - Rear
T900 1985 CART. Cosworth V8 - Rear
T950 1985 Formula 3000. Cosworth V8 - Rear
T86/00 1986 CART. Cosworth V8 - Rear
T86/10 1986 Corvette GTP. Corvette V6 - Rear
T86/12 1986 Corvette GTP. Corvette V6 - Rear
T86/50 1986 Formula 3000. Cosworth V8 - Rear
T86/90 1986 Sports 2000. Ford 4 - Rear
T87/00 1987 CART. Cosworth/Chevrolet V8 - Rear
T87/10 1987 Corvette GTP. Corvette V6 - Rear
T87/30 1987 Formula 1 (Larousse). Cosworth V8 - Rear
T87/50 1987 Formula 3000. Cosworth/Honda V8 - Rear
T87/90 1987 Sports 2000. Ford 4 - Rear
T88/00 1988 CART. Cosworth/Chevrolet/Judd V8/Buick V6 - Rear
T88/11 1988 Corvette GTP. Corvette V8 - Rear
T88/30 1988 Formula 1 (Larousse). Cosworth V8 - Rear
T88/40 1988 Grand Champion Sportscar.
Raced as the R&D 88Q Mazda - Rear
T88/50 1988 Formula 3000. Cosworth/Mugen V8 - Rear
T88/90 1988 Sports 2000. Ford 4 - Rear
T89/00 1989 CART. Cosworth/Chevrolet/Judd V8/Buick V6 - Rear
T89/10 1989 Grp C/GTP (Nissan R89C). Nissan V8 - Rear
T89/30 1989 Formula 1 (Larousse). Lamborghini V12 - Rear
T89/50 1989 Formula 3000. Cosworth/Mugen V8 - Rear
T89/90 1989 Sports 2000. Ford 4 - Rear
T90/00 1990 CART. Cosworth/Chevrolet/Judd V8/Buick V6 - Rear
T90/10 1990 Grp C (Nissan R90CK/CP). Nissan V8 - Rear
T90/30 1990 Formula 1 (Larrousse). Lamborghini V12 - Rear
T90/50 1990 Formula 3000. Cosworth/Mugen V8 - Rear
T90/90 1990 Sports 2000. Ford 4 - Rear
T91/00 1991 CART. Cosworth/Chevrolet/Judd/Alfa V8/Buick V6 - Rear
T91/10 1991 Grp C (Nissan R91CP). Nissan V8 - Rear
T91/30 1991 Formula 1 (Larrousse). Cosworth V8 - Rear
T91/50 1991 Formula 3000. Cosworth/Mugen V8 - Rear
T91/90 1991 Sports 2000. Ford 4 - Rear
T92/00 1992 CART. Cosworth/Chevrolet/Judd V8/Buick V6 - Rear
T92/10 1992 Grp C. Judd V10 - Rear
T92/50 1992 Formula 3000. Cosworth/Mugen V8 - Rear
T93/00 1993 CART. Cosworth/Chevrolet V8/Buick V6 - Rear
T93/20 1993-96 Indy Lights. Buick V6 - Rear
T93/30 1993 F1 (BMS Scuderia Italia). Ferrari V12 - Rear
T93/50 1993 Formula 3000. Cosworth/Mugen - Rear
T94/00 1994 CART. Cosworth/Ilmor V8/Buick V6 - Rear
T94/50 1994 Formula 3000. Cosworth/Mugen/Judd V8 - Rear
T95/00 1995 CART. Cosworth/Mercedes V8/Buick V6 - Rear
T95/30 1995 Formula 1 test hack. Cosworth V8 - Rear
T95/50 1995 Formula 3000. Cosworth/Mugen V8 - Rear
T96/00 1996 CART. Cosworth/Mercedes V8/Menard V6 - Rear
T96/50 1996-98 Formula 3000. Zytek-Judd V8 - Rear
T96/51 1996 Formula Nippon. Mugen V8 - Rear
T96/52 1996 Formula Nippon. Mugen V8 - Rear
T96/70 1996 Mexican F3000. Chrysler V6 - Rear
T97/00 1997 CART. Cosworth/Honda V8 - Rear
T97/20 1997 Indy Lights. Buick V6 - Rear
T97/30 1997 Formula 1. Cosworth Zetec V8 - Rear
T97/51 1997 Formula Nippon. Mugen V8 - Rear
T98/00 1998 CART. Cosworth V8 - Rear
B98/10 1998 Sports Car, ISRS. Various - Rear
T98/51 1998 Formula Nippon. Mugen V8 - Rear
B99/00 1999 Indy Car. Cosworth/Mercedes/Toyota V8 - Rear
B99/50 1999-01 Formula 3000. Zytek V8 - Rear
B99/51 1999 Formula Nippon. Mugen V8 - Rear
B2K/00 2000 CART. Cosworth/Mercedes/Toyota V8 - Rear
B2K/10 2000 SR1 Sports Car. Judd V10/AER - Rear
B2K/40 2000 SR2 Sports Car. Various - Rear
B01/00 2001 CART. Cosworth/Toyota V8 - Rear
B01/60 2001-02 LMP675
(Lola MG EX257). AER-MG 4 - Rear
B01/70 2001 MG Touring Car. MG KV6 - Front
B02/00 2002 CART. Cosworth/Honda/Toyota V8 - Rear
B02/50 2002-06 F3000. Zytek V8 - Rear
B03/00 2003-6 CART. Cosworth V8 - Rear
B03/51 2003-05 Formula Nippon. Mugen V8 - Rear
Lola-Dome
F106/03 2003 Formula 3. Mugen-Honda 4 - Rear
Lola-Dome
F106/04 2004 Formula 3. Mugen-Honda 4 - Rear
A1GP 2005-8 A1 Grand Prix. Zytek V8 - Rear
B05/30 2005 Formula 3. Mugen-Honda 4 - Rear
B05/40 2005 LMP2 Sportscar
(Lola MG EX264). Various - Rear
B05/42 2005 LMP2 Sportscar. Zytek V8 - Rear
B06/10 2006 LMP1 Sportscar. AER V8 - Rear
B06/30 2006 Formula 3. Spiess 4 - Rear
B06/43 2006 LMP2 Sportscar. Honda Acura - Rear
B06/51 2006-08 Formula Nippon. Honda/Toyota V8 - Rear
B07/10 2007 LMP1 Sportscar. Judd/Audi V8- Rear
B07/46 2007 LMP2 Sportscar. Mazda 4 - Rear
B07/90 2006-08 Sports 2000. Ford 4 - Rear
B08/60 2008 LMP2 Coupe. Judd V8 - Rear
B08/70 2008 GrandAm. Pontiac V8 - Rear
B08/80 2008 LMP1 Coupe. Aston Martin V12 - Rear
B08/? 2008 Trackday. Cosworth - Rear
N.B. The CART chassis suffix 01 e.g. T87/01 refers to the speedway, low downforce variant of the type.
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Hi Johan
You are right about the T60 preceding the T70. But my point was on the numbering being different for each manufacturer. Obviously Lola went for concurrent chassis/type numbering which did not relate to a particular type of class of racing. That is why I had no knowledge of T60 since it was not a Can Am or sports car. As for your point about the GT40 it has Lola to thank for its existance since the development work on the suspension was done initially using the Lola GT Mk6 as a buck for testing. As for the name GT40 the first twelve chassis made including GT/103 the 1965 Daytona winner. GT106, GT107 (the two 427 1965 longnose big block cars).Were denoted as GT/.Therefore Carrol Shelby is correct in saying a 1965 "Ford GT" won Daytona. There was a reference on the last chassis GT112 to GT40. But the GT40/P was only given to the production cars with the definative nose. As far as I can tell although some of the production chassis were in existance before this date the bodywork was not the GT40. This was first shown in production form at Le Mans in May/June 1965 P1006 FAV entry.
Regards Allan
You are right about the T60 preceding the T70. But my point was on the numbering being different for each manufacturer. Obviously Lola went for concurrent chassis/type numbering which did not relate to a particular type of class of racing. That is why I had no knowledge of T60 since it was not a Can Am or sports car. As for your point about the GT40 it has Lola to thank for its existance since the development work on the suspension was done initially using the Lola GT Mk6 as a buck for testing. As for the name GT40 the first twelve chassis made including GT/103 the 1965 Daytona winner. GT106, GT107 (the two 427 1965 longnose big block cars).Were denoted as GT/.Therefore Carrol Shelby is correct in saying a 1965 "Ford GT" won Daytona. There was a reference on the last chassis GT112 to GT40. But the GT40/P was only given to the production cars with the definative nose. As far as I can tell although some of the production chassis were in existance before this date the bodywork was not the GT40. This was first shown in production form at Le Mans in May/June 1965 P1006 FAV entry.
Regards Allan
The FIA homologation papers #224 Group 4 sports cars issued 1 february 1966 showed the chassis numbers to commence from GT40/101 and GT40P/1000. the model is designated GT40 and further that the minimum number of 50 cars was constructed between 1 jan65 and 31 dec 65. hence the papers were issued 1 feb 1966.
A Ford GT40/103 won daytona in 1965
A Ford GT40/103 won daytona in 1965
