Wonder why Obama, Sharpton, Jackson and TV had nothing to say about this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-utc4IEQws
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-utc4IEQws
Wonder why
- Thread starter Al Wohlstrom
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I didn't realize it happened that long ago, pretty brutal. Somebody just sent it to me, never saw it before, tv or otherwise.
My reason for posting this is to show that it happens on both sides, not just one as the media leads us to believe. Imagine if that was a black female cop and the beater was a huge white guy, 5 years ago or not we would still be hearing about it.
Jeff Young
GT40s Supporter
Your presumption is that President Obama and Jesse Jackson are "racist bastards"?
What the fuck is wrong with you?
Jeff Young
GT40s Supporter
Your presumption is that President Obama and Jesse Jackson are "racist bastards"?
What the is wrong with you?
Jeff Young
GT40s Supporter
Of course it happens on both sides.
What's absurd is for you to think that the President, Rev. Jackson and Sharpton (who has issues) should be flying around the country protesting every instance of black on white violence.
And it remains amazing that you appear blind to the fact that what drives many of the protests you apparently complain about is the fact that for 300 years, blacks were the victims of instutionalized racism and slavery by whites, resulting in them being a disadvantaged underclass with lower income, lower education rates, and higher incarceration rates.
But what is most offensive about your frankly very dumb post is that you seem to think this is some sort of evidence of "racism" against the white male American - the single most privileged human being to walk the face of the Earth. Can blacks commit violence against whites? Of course. Should they be punished when they do? Of course. Is there some sort of black on white "oppression" that impacts your daily life? Of course not.
Get a clue and worry about something that matters.
Or do I need to show you videos of blacks being lynched and having fire hoses and dogs turned on them by a government of OUR ancestors for simply wanting to vote or otherwise participate in society.
That vid could well serve as exibit "A" as to why I don't want to see women in patrol cars....especially 'average size' women. No guy the size of the above perp would even be the s-l-i-g-h-t-e-s-t bit intimidated by any female LEO - even if she were twice the size of the LEO in the vid. But, that's another topic.
Getting back to said topic: Where were Sharpton/Jackson/Holder/Obama when that black LEO in Utah shot the unarmed WHITE perp? Where were they when the eighty-nine-year-old, WHITE, WWII vet was beaten to death by 2 black PUNKS in Spokane? Where were they when two black males in Detroit abducted and killed a white couple, bound 'em, and shot and burned 'em beyond recognition in an alley? Where they when Black Panthers intimidated voters at the polling place in Philly? Where were they when two black teens attacked a 13-year-old white boy on his front porch in K.C., 'poured gas on him, set him on fire while telling him, “You get what you deserve white boy!”? Where were they when three BLACK 'students' beat one white student aboard the school bus in Florida? Where were they when more than 30 blacks beat a white couple in Norfolk, Virginia (while about 70 other blacks stood around and watched, BTW)? Where? AWOL, that's where. (There are faaaaaaaar more incidents of the sort than are mentioned here.)
Anyone who says there ISN'T a race-based double standard being observed by the four horsemen (Sharpton/Jackson/Holder/Obama) and their minions clearly just doesn't WANT to see it.
Jeff Young
GT40s Supporter
It's almost like they are more concerned about instances where it appears institutionalized racism against black folks resulted in violence without a remedy, rather than situations where black folks committed crimes and went to jail like they should.
But, carry on with your horrible white victimhood complex.
But, carry on with your horrible white victimhood complex.
You're attempting to obfuscate, deflect & redirect again, Counselor...a favorite tactic of yours. I ain't takin' th' bait.
So - WHERE WERE the four horsemen in the aftermath of the above incidents? Huh? It was 'skin color "A"' vs. 'skin color "B"' in every case, right? All FOUR of those guys are seemingly always Johnny-on-the-spot when a white-on-black incident goes down...IMMEDIATELY blaming the white guy - even before they know diddly-squat facts-wise. But they're nowhere to be seen/heard when it's the other way around. Why IS that do you suppose if it's not a 'race thing'?
Now, if I may take a page out of your tactics manual; carry on with your horrible white guilt-based, anarchy/hate crime enabling, 'get-out-of-jail-free-'cause-you-and-yours-were-wronged-in-the-past' excuse-making for those you deem worthy of same.
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Pete McCluskey.
Lifetime Supporter
Well that was one of the most cowardly things I have seen for a while, and what a great example to his daugher he was. Glad he got 60 years.
Also how long ago was slavery abolished? It's about time both black and white got over it and stopped using it as an apology for poor behaviour.
I also agree Larry no way females cops should be patrolling without a male partner as back up.
And Jeff if that was a white guy that size beating up a black female, do you think there would be riots or not?
Also how long ago was slavery abolished? It's about time both black and white got over it and stopped using it as an apology for poor behaviour.
I also agree Larry no way females cops should be patrolling without a male partner as back up.
And Jeff if that was a white guy that size beating up a black female, do you think there would be riots or not?
LOL!
I think you know he won't address that question...directly and honestly, anyway. :annoyed:
Shoot, he hasn't even addressed my post #10!
David Morton
Lifetime Supporter
Does anything remotely interesting happen in this thread?
I'm really, really bored with it.
I'm really, really bored with it.
David Morton
Lifetime Supporter
Quite soon you'll be talking ONLY to yourself and Jeff. A similar sort of decline to dementia.........
Pete McCluskey.
Lifetime Supporter
There is an easy solution, don't read it.
Jeff Young
GT40s Supporter
Redirect? Uh wot? I gave you an explanation.
Black leaders protest situations where police, or others, kill/injure black folks and there is no punishment. Trayvon Martin. The guy in Ferguson. And so on.
Why do you expect them to protest black on white violence when it is clear society does a damn good job of punishing black folks. Black folks routinely are more likely to be wrongly convicted, and receive lengthier prison sentences of the same or similar crimes. Our system favors white victims - kill a white person and you are far more likely to get the death penalty than if you kill a black person.
So yeah, the "oppressed white person/reverse racism!" schtick gets old, and is sad.
Pete, a question for you. You are what, 65? 70? Let's say 70 (you look much younger dude! seriously...). So you were born in 1945.
Let's imagine your alter ego was black and born in Al Abama (a state in teh southern United States) in 1945. You'd have gone to poor quality all black schools. You'd have had to drink from separate water fountains, and sit in the back of buses and theaters. You had almost no chance of going to college. You could get ddrafted and forced to fight in Korea or Vietnam even though Alabama did all it could to make sure you couldn't vote. In fact, if you tried to vote, you could be beaten or had water hoses turned on you by the police.
But it gets worse. Say at 15, in 1960, you happened to flirt with a white girl downtown and some older white folk happened to see it. Quite likely they show up at your house late that night to beat you, or worse -- without any consequence.
and your kids? The ones born in 1970 and my age? The first generation to go to relatively equal schools and have a decent shot at college.
The result of all of this -- slavery from 1620 to 1865 and Jim Crow from 1865 to 1970? Blacks make about 2/3 of what whites make in teh US. They have 20% of the net worth. They are fare less likely to go to college, and far more likely to end up in prison.
But yeah, I'm sure you'd just "forget all that" if it had happened to you.
Black leaders protest situations where police, or others, kill/injure black folks and there is no punishment. Trayvon Martin. The guy in Ferguson. And so on.
Why do you expect them to protest black on white violence when it is clear society does a damn good job of punishing black folks. Black folks routinely are more likely to be wrongly convicted, and receive lengthier prison sentences of the same or similar crimes. Our system favors white victims - kill a white person and you are far more likely to get the death penalty than if you kill a black person.
So yeah, the "oppressed white person/reverse racism!" schtick gets old, and is sad.
Pete, a question for you. You are what, 65? 70? Let's say 70 (you look much younger dude! seriously...). So you were born in 1945.
Let's imagine your alter ego was black and born in Al Abama (a state in teh southern United States) in 1945. You'd have gone to poor quality all black schools. You'd have had to drink from separate water fountains, and sit in the back of buses and theaters. You had almost no chance of going to college. You could get ddrafted and forced to fight in Korea or Vietnam even though Alabama did all it could to make sure you couldn't vote. In fact, if you tried to vote, you could be beaten or had water hoses turned on you by the police.
But it gets worse. Say at 15, in 1960, you happened to flirt with a white girl downtown and some older white folk happened to see it. Quite likely they show up at your house late that night to beat you, or worse -- without any consequence.
and your kids? The ones born in 1970 and my age? The first generation to go to relatively equal schools and have a decent shot at college.
The result of all of this -- slavery from 1620 to 1865 and Jim Crow from 1865 to 1970? Blacks make about 2/3 of what whites make in teh US. They have 20% of the net worth. They are fare less likely to go to college, and far more likely to end up in prison.
But yeah, I'm sure you'd just "forget all that" if it had happened to you.
If you break the law and are convicted of breaking that law and serve your time / pay the fine. At this point is your debt paid? Hold that thought.
There was slavery in America. Not 300 years worth, but still slavery. I believe that was wrapped up in the mid 1800's. We became a country (with laws!) in 1776. Was there a lot of racial oppression for many years? Heck yes and some would say that it's still happening.
We had the Civil Rights Act come into play in 1964 which helped African Americans (as they were called back then) gain and keep employment as well as access to services and equal treatment across the boards.. Did it work? Mostly I'd say...
Then there was the Equal Employment Opportunity Act (EEOC) in 1972.. There were then quotas to be met in order to ensure that Black citizens got their fair share of the jobs. Once inside an organization, then there was EEOC applied through ranks of supervision, management - everywhere.. Did it help blacks obtain opportunities that they might not have otherwise gotten? Heck yes! I won't go into how I was passed over for advancement twice at one employer so they could meet their quota of blacks in the ranks of leadership - but I'm not bitter (honestly)...
In the 70's we also went through mandatory desegregation of the public school system. YEA we can now bus our kids across town to go to school rather than let them attend the school in their neighborhoods.. Did that help the plight of black Americans? Unsure.. There were many bad things that came from all of this.
Do we still have the quota system working in Corporations across America? You bet your bippy we do. I see it continuously. I won't say that bad or the wrong people were put in positions, but I will say that for a number of years, if you were a white-male, your chances of advancement were considerably less than if you were Black, or female...
So through all of this, we have equality? Yes, it's mandatory!
Did it work?
There are many more college scholarships available to blacks / people of color / African Americans (insert your favorite here)... We have some incredibly intelligent and articulate leaders in our corporations and government now right? Heck the President of the United States of America is a product of all those programs right? Heck yes!!!
So here's the $64,000 dollar question.
Has the debt for the crime of slavery been paid?
Have the people whose ancestors who owned slaves helped to pay that debt?
Have people (such as myself whose ancestors were farmers in Germany and Holland and never participated in slavery) helped to pay that debt?
If the debt has been paid and we have mandatory equality still in place - can there really be such a thing as a person of black heritage that is not afforded every opportunity for success?
If the answers are NO - then tell us what it will take to pay that debt...
If the answers are YES - then I submit that the slate has been wiped clean..
----
But...
And here's where I start getting a bit pissed...
In the process of pitting all these programs in place, we have helped breed multiple generations of people that insist that we have not done enough. They don't take any personal accountability for putting all of these great programs to work for them so they can make changes to their personal situations and lead "better" lives. They sit their with their hands out and DEMAND that we give them more. And unfortunately many of them just decide to take what they feel they are due. They band together with others like themselves and form neighborhoods of like thinkers. They form their own social hierarchies and within those there are leaders fleshed out. I submit to you that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are two of those leaders. BO does not even count to be honest with you. Other than the fact that he is one very eloquent speaker, black and in the right place at the right time - he's done nothing of any consequence. which truly is unfortunate as he could really help get that bus turned around and pointed in the right direction. Who knows maybe he will be better as a former POTUS.
So when I called them racist bastards the other day - while it was partially tongue in cheek, there is most certainly an element of truth. They have demostrated time and time again that they are NOT interested in equality for all people, but to continue pushing the black-only agenda until the tables have been turned 180 degrees from where they were 150 years ago.
My God what a legacy....
One last editorial note as a moderator here...
I have already locked one thread today given the direction it was headed.. You can disagree with people and state your opinion, but going forward there will be no personal attacks / name calling. Spend the time to interact as the educated people I know you are.
Respect each other's right to their opinion.
Thanks
There was slavery in America. Not 300 years worth, but still slavery. I believe that was wrapped up in the mid 1800's. We became a country (with laws!) in 1776. Was there a lot of racial oppression for many years? Heck yes and some would say that it's still happening.
We had the Civil Rights Act come into play in 1964 which helped African Americans (as they were called back then) gain and keep employment as well as access to services and equal treatment across the boards.. Did it work? Mostly I'd say...
Then there was the Equal Employment Opportunity Act (EEOC) in 1972.. There were then quotas to be met in order to ensure that Black citizens got their fair share of the jobs. Once inside an organization, then there was EEOC applied through ranks of supervision, management - everywhere.. Did it help blacks obtain opportunities that they might not have otherwise gotten? Heck yes! I won't go into how I was passed over for advancement twice at one employer so they could meet their quota of blacks in the ranks of leadership - but I'm not bitter (honestly)...
In the 70's we also went through mandatory desegregation of the public school system. YEA we can now bus our kids across town to go to school rather than let them attend the school in their neighborhoods.. Did that help the plight of black Americans? Unsure.. There were many bad things that came from all of this.
Do we still have the quota system working in Corporations across America? You bet your bippy we do. I see it continuously. I won't say that bad or the wrong people were put in positions, but I will say that for a number of years, if you were a white-male, your chances of advancement were considerably less than if you were Black, or female...
So through all of this, we have equality? Yes, it's mandatory!
Did it work?
There are many more college scholarships available to blacks / people of color / African Americans (insert your favorite here)... We have some incredibly intelligent and articulate leaders in our corporations and government now right? Heck the President of the United States of America is a product of all those programs right? Heck yes!!!
So here's the $64,000 dollar question.
Has the debt for the crime of slavery been paid?
Have the people whose ancestors who owned slaves helped to pay that debt?
Have people (such as myself whose ancestors were farmers in Germany and Holland and never participated in slavery) helped to pay that debt?
If the debt has been paid and we have mandatory equality still in place - can there really be such a thing as a person of black heritage that is not afforded every opportunity for success?
If the answers are NO - then tell us what it will take to pay that debt...
If the answers are YES - then I submit that the slate has been wiped clean..
----
But...
And here's where I start getting a bit pissed...
In the process of pitting all these programs in place, we have helped breed multiple generations of people that insist that we have not done enough. They don't take any personal accountability for putting all of these great programs to work for them so they can make changes to their personal situations and lead "better" lives. They sit their with their hands out and DEMAND that we give them more. And unfortunately many of them just decide to take what they feel they are due. They band together with others like themselves and form neighborhoods of like thinkers. They form their own social hierarchies and within those there are leaders fleshed out. I submit to you that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are two of those leaders. BO does not even count to be honest with you. Other than the fact that he is one very eloquent speaker, black and in the right place at the right time - he's done nothing of any consequence. which truly is unfortunate as he could really help get that bus turned around and pointed in the right direction. Who knows maybe he will be better as a former POTUS.
So when I called them racist bastards the other day - while it was partially tongue in cheek, there is most certainly an element of truth. They have demostrated time and time again that they are NOT interested in equality for all people, but to continue pushing the black-only agenda until the tables have been turned 180 degrees from where they were 150 years ago.
My God what a legacy....
One last editorial note as a moderator here...
I have already locked one thread today given the direction it was headed.. You can disagree with people and state your opinion, but going forward there will be no personal attacks / name calling. Spend the time to interact as the educated people I know you are.
Respect each other's right to their opinion.
Thanks
Pete McCluskey.
Lifetime Supporter
Well said Randy, I think you have summed up the situation pretty well.
Jeff I was born in 1943 and thanks for the compliment. No doubt it would have been tougher being black in those days, but poor white folk, white trash I think you call them also did it tough.
As Randy has said very eloquently above those issues have been addressed and today I think black people have a better opportunity to get ahead than the aforementioned white trash. I also think any debt has been paid and its about time people of colour realised it and started to move on.
Jeff I was born in 1943 and thanks for the compliment. No doubt it would have been tougher being black in those days, but poor white folk, white trash I think you call them also did it tough.
As Randy has said very eloquently above those issues have been addressed and today I think black people have a better opportunity to get ahead than the aforementioned white trash. I also think any debt has been paid and its about time people of colour realised it and started to move on.
