The italian racing Superformance

Keith

Moderator
Wyer Mirages? (If that counts)

1075 the most sucessful '40 ever was built on a Mirage (type) lightweight chassis by so there is a strong connection...

But I always understood that 351W engines were run in the MKI chassis in the '68/'69 seasons but that may have been the Mirages.

I'm sure I about to find out the definitive truth though!
 
Well you see Paulo that is exactly the point. What is and what isn't a 'replica'.

Some see SPF as 'replica' whilst owners (naturally) see them as 'continuation' and thus no replica.

If Italian FIA or equivalent allow them (SPF) to race in Historic I think that is fantastic as long as they race with 'period' pieces - Roush 427, in my opinion is not acceptable for this just because they are the same CI. Personally, if your Italian friend had chosen a MKI, then he would have had many more choices in the engine department - all of them with proven reliability, kinder to gearboxes, and faster on many tracks.... 255, 289, 302, 305 (?) 351 and others I'm sure.

Flame on!

PS The Pit Popsie Picture that Paulo Posted (PPPPPPPP - great aliteration)
can be seen most nights at the Pepenero Topless Bar in Riccione, one of my favourite places near Rimini and also home to the fabulous El Paradiso nightclub... :)

PPS Ron, yes: no cage, no safety cell - mad +1

Infinitely reputation PLUS to the mythical Keith!!.U know "Pepenero"...respect mate.If u are down here gimme a call, we will be there...is the best 20 euros trashed of all the summer season.

About Alex's car:
I think at the time he ordered it, the only available for racing porpouse was just the mk2,the American gt40(I remember guys from SPF need some years before starting to sell the mk.1 version).Nearly surely he was also alone in choosing the car, and down here the geetees are not so much known (as well as all the entire serious replica reality out there).
He probably just choosed the best car with the most powerful engine availble at the time....and now he is payng the bill of an extreme car,in terms of setup of the entire vehicle.
It is really anyway a dream to see this car live,I really hope Alex knows this comunity and will be part of it (if he is not already inside).
Just shame on me cause I didnt ask him the email address or msg contact.I just know he is from Parma.

Crudo, ciao bello...chiamami quando vuoi il mio numero è ++39 338 9518548 :thumbsup:
 
oh well, I dunno if there is a "beauty" cathegory in the historic challenge. For sure his car is the nices (I am here..loving gt40s since 2001...u know), but TBH in the challenge there are some german myth quite hard to beat ( toys named Kramer 935, or 934..platoons of '73s RSR...a Lola t70 shaped as a windsurf...dozens of Bmw's....millions of GTA's).
from what I know..the real championship is costantly won by the 935.To see her on track is something impressive, that 911 is the legened of the legend :lipsrsealed: dont ban me.
...and it has 700 hp less than 800 kilos chassis, done at the time by the blond kids in Stuttgard.I dont think is so easy to beat her.

Alex told me he had an offer of 150.000 euros but he didnt sell the car (think he wants more for the mk2).

Btw Tom,being german u probably know our european fia regulamentation to race in historic challenge.Isn't possible also there to use an RCR monocoque for this kind of racing?Does anybody use it in Germany for historic racing?

here enclosed some kids racing in our italian historic challenge:

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..sorry for my digression over single seaters...but when I see such ones I dream of the loty 49...the nicest formula 1 ever done.

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..as u can see the bad boys are on duty here. :thumbsup:

...but there is always something keeping more the attention of my camera :lipsrsealed:
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Russ Noble

GT40s Supporter
Lifetime Supporter
1075 the most sucessful '40 ever was built on a Mirage (type) lightweight chassis by so there is a strong connection...

But I always understood that 351W engines were run in the MKI chassis in the '68/'69 seasons but that may have been the Mirages.

I'm sure I about to find out the definitive truth though!

Yeah the Mirages, but Paul Hawkins ran a 351 in AMGT2 placing 3rd at Karlskoga 11 Aug '68. Apparently these motors were a preproduction version of the 351.
 
Now stop that, Paolo. You're making me drool all over the keyboard. I'll take one of each car, thank you, and you can throw in the Pit Popsi. The big, heavy machinery is great, but I also really appreciate the modified Fiat Bambinas.
 
Paolo thanks for that pics, great shots.

If you think that white car ( last two pics before the chick) is that Lola T70 you talked about, this is not correct. It is a CHevron B19, the look very similar, the Chevron beeing more sleeker and elegant than the Lola

TOM
 
wow..love when u are SO precise about vintage racers.
The chevron is impressive then.:laugh:

Ron, I think the most successful racing porsche was the 956/962.
For too many years (a decade..nearly all the 80's) the Group C class champ was a monomarca porsche,even cause Alfa romeo left the cathegory at the beginning of the 80s.
Ferrari made the Lancia Lc2,but as all maranello's prototypes in Fiat era,she didnt had any serious development , as years later happened with the 333sp.

The 911 family was in production since late 60's,but in nearly all races there was always something more faster (british or italian).They were anyway always present in platoons, but nearly never raised the excellence of the racing cathegory (we all remember the mythical turbo 935 "whale" from 1978....but she was racing with the 936 prototype in Le mans,race winner also).
Am I wrong?
 
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Ron Earp

Admin
Ron, I think the most successful racing porsche was the 956/962.


The 911 family was in production since late 60's,but in nearly all races there was always something more faster (british or italian).They were anyway always present in platoons, but nearly never raised the excellence of the racing cathegory (we all remember the mythical turbo 935 "whale" from 1978....but she was racing with the 936 prototype in Le mans,race winner also).
Am I wrong?

Wrong, Yes. Lower model number.
 

Ron Earp

Admin
944. It dominated its class for years. Still is a great platform.

Yep, 944 and variants but not just because of the spec classes like 944 Cup. Right now, somewhere, a 944 is being prepared to take to the track for this afternoon's race. The car is the most raced Porsche in history and on any Sunday, somewhere on the globe, they will be competing for the podium. Just about every race I enter I'll be racing against a Porsche 944 of some type and if you race chances are good you will be racing against one too.

And to think most Porsche people don't even think of them as real Porsche cars. Go figure.

Ron
 
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