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- Thread starter Al Wohlstrom
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B-I-N-G-O. It's done simply to be "in your face"...much like gay pride parades.
They are doing here what Christians would never, never, N-E-V-E-R be allowed to do in THEIR home countries.
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In the US, the taking over of streets is against the law, except if you are Muslim. WTF are we coming to, the cities are afraid of Muslims.
Perhaps they had a permit? :shifty:
In Los Angeles, liberal heaven, maybe they did. Tried to look it up, couldn't find anything. Doubt that any other religious group could do that, or would want to do that. It is a "in your face" attention getter.
Pete McCluskey.
Lifetime Supporter
INMHO, the biggest threat to the civilised world.
And there are just enough Muslim huggers to let it happen.
I couldn't stand one wife, WTF would I do with four of them with bags over their heads?
Jeff Young
GT40s Supporter
Jeff Young
GT40s Supporter
If by "Muslim hugger" you mean someone who respects the 1st Amendment and the right of individuals in the US to worship whatever they want peacefully, and to do so in public if they have the appropriate permit -- regardless of creed -- count me in.
I'd much rather be that than an anti-American, anti-Constitution bigot who discriminated against a particular creed that was (at least in this case) practicing its religion peacefully and lawfully.
Uh...Mr. Young? That demonstration happened here...in 'Frisco...a city located in what's supposedly a CHRISTIAN country...namely the U.S.A. 'Last I heard, the U.S.A. isn't and never HAS BEEN considered a Muslim "home country". Not YET anyway...
You're obviously arguing for the sake of arguing.
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Terry Oxandale
Skinny Man
I'm the only one on this string thus far that consistently aligns with Jeff. Jeff has a good point, but I start becoming less flexible with "diversity" when the Muslin community indicates little willingness to call out its own bad players in public. I'm sure it is only a very small percentage of the Muslim community that are involved in the radicalism we read about every day, but where is the rational objective Muslim condemnation of these acts or practices? When one does hear it, it is infrequent and rare compared to the frequency of the atrocities committed in the name of Islam. How can I ask myself to be objective in my observations, when the Muslim community wont reciprocate? It appears to be obvious from the most vocal, that the Muslim faith is bent on 100% participation by every human on the planet. Combine that with little rebuke of its own, and little restraint in pressing its increasingly overbearing influence on others, and I find myself questioning any tolerance for their kind. I would even go further to say organized religion (even Christianity) lacks a net benefit to humanity.
Anti Choice Christian Fascists? Looks like a permitted, peaceful, anti abortion march with a police presence.
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There are 1.57 billion Muslims in the world. Radical Islam represents 15% to 25% of Muslims. This works out to be 235,500,000 to 392,500,000 radical Muslims in the world or near or more than the population of the US. Yes we do have a reason to worry. Radical Islam is a clear and present danger to the world, the Middle East is living proof of that. Of course we call it "Work related violence" here in the US
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I too fail to see the issue with a legally conducted gathering with all the necessary permits in place despite what it might look like. A similar gathering of Christians, of whatever persuasion presumably would not raise an eyebrow. We do not know the purpose of said Islamic gathering but if it was simply Friday prayers, then I would posit that it had a political meaning of a territorial nature and that is worrying and I would object to it.
On the subject of Islam, we in the Western world have to believe that almost everything they do publicly has it's roots in Proselytism as the spread of Islam is in it's basic creed much the same way as Christianity was the main thrust of colonial conversions leading to harmonic trade with the West from the 14th Century onwards, pioneered by Catholicism.
Christians in general ceased those direct practices but continue today via charitable Missions and Food Aid, so direct comparisons between the two religious groups is nigh impossible.
What is glaringly obvious, as many people have identified, is the complete lack of a "moderate" Islamic movement, condemning their violent counterparts and actively combating it, as I believe would be the case if radical Christians practiced the same philosophy but it is in our best interests to bear in mind, of course, that to a Middle Eastern moderate Muslim, the armed forces of the Western Powers ARE radical Christians..and thus they can probably sympathise with the quid pro quo or rather abstain from any emotion that counters the rise of Islam.
Finally, and very unlike Christian beliefs and practices, the business of Apostasy (in any way denying their religion) is a death sentence in almost every Muslim country, and to speak out publicly about Islam in any derogatory way, including condemning the extreme violence with which they are associated, brings an instant curse and sword of Damocles over any Muslim family in any country. I am not defending the practice of 'Omerta' but I can empathise with people caught up in the deathly grip of this restrictive & destructive belief set.
How does one counter a religion that is now set up as a perfect Trojan Horse for the militant forces of Radical Islam to exploit? I am not sure that targeting the average Muslim family will gain any more than increasing hatred and dislocation and you sure as hell can't shoot them all. The only strategy that would appear to be effective is the continual removal of the violent men with extreme prejudice, and the targeting of any organised infrastructure.The instant closure of any Mosque associated with radicalism would seem like a no-brainer..
This is a job for Life..and it's worth remembering - Gulf War II, Bush & Bliar did it - this is THEIR legacy...
On the subject of Islam, we in the Western world have to believe that almost everything they do publicly has it's roots in Proselytism as the spread of Islam is in it's basic creed much the same way as Christianity was the main thrust of colonial conversions leading to harmonic trade with the West from the 14th Century onwards, pioneered by Catholicism.
Christians in general ceased those direct practices but continue today via charitable Missions and Food Aid, so direct comparisons between the two religious groups is nigh impossible.
What is glaringly obvious, as many people have identified, is the complete lack of a "moderate" Islamic movement, condemning their violent counterparts and actively combating it, as I believe would be the case if radical Christians practiced the same philosophy but it is in our best interests to bear in mind, of course, that to a Middle Eastern moderate Muslim, the armed forces of the Western Powers ARE radical Christians..and thus they can probably sympathise with the quid pro quo or rather abstain from any emotion that counters the rise of Islam.
Finally, and very unlike Christian beliefs and practices, the business of Apostasy (in any way denying their religion) is a death sentence in almost every Muslim country, and to speak out publicly about Islam in any derogatory way, including condemning the extreme violence with which they are associated, brings an instant curse and sword of Damocles over any Muslim family in any country. I am not defending the practice of 'Omerta' but I can empathise with people caught up in the deathly grip of this restrictive & destructive belief set.
How does one counter a religion that is now set up as a perfect Trojan Horse for the militant forces of Radical Islam to exploit? I am not sure that targeting the average Muslim family will gain any more than increasing hatred and dislocation and you sure as hell can't shoot them all. The only strategy that would appear to be effective is the continual removal of the violent men with extreme prejudice, and the targeting of any organised infrastructure.The instant closure of any Mosque associated with radicalism would seem like a no-brainer..
This is a job for Life..and it's worth remembering - Gulf War II, Bush & Bliar did it - this is THEIR legacy...
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