Euroland

[Grady]

I must admit I listen to foreign (radio) broadcast of world news. Ditto of what JCDean referenced and much more on African waring parties. I noticed the evening prime-time broadcast did spend the first 15 minutes covering a hyped up snow storm in the NE. The people of Buffalo laughed at NYC after their city received 7 feet of snow several weeks ago.
It appears Europe is starting to look like the Europe of the mid 30's.

 

[David Morton]

You lost me all after the word 'radio'.
Simple minds on this side of the divide.
We believe very little that we are told by Americans anyway. After all, you guys often shoot your leaders - I'm told. Is it (the U.S.A.) a rogue state? My wife thinks so.
Discuss......

 

[Grady]

Sorry David, world radio to me is BBC. They seem to have the most widespread coverage. As far as believing, the BBC appears to have more news reporting as opposed to the US opinion statements from US news agencies. I listen to select conservative and liberal US news agencies. I read the populous reporting on the internet, the WSJ, and my local socialist (read Progressive) based daily paper. My links go to the UK Times, German, and Stars and Stripes. The Chinese have a strong radio signal in the evening into the US. All reporting is filtered and biased, some more than others. And any politician is suspect. I did spend about and hour yesterday watching the asteroid scream by us a 35,000 mph. Had to explain to my wife why we couldn't go out at 11 last night and watch its passage. The killer Blizzard and all that cold...
A rogue state, no, a rogue executive office, yes.

 

[Rick Muck- Mark IV]

The people of Buffalo laughed at NYC after their city received 7 feet of snow several weeks ago.

We fart in their general direction..............but I do have a container on a ship that was due in Port Newark on Wednesday that has been delayed as they closed the ports.

 

[David Morton]

If we ignore the lessons of the 30's and the struggles of the 40's then Europe is finished. But I don't think that will ever happen again until all those have died of natural old age. My biggest concern, especially with three daughters all about to rear grand children, is the total lack of leadership both here in GB and in Europe to tackle the Islamic Fundamentalist and their Jihad against, seemingly now with the inclusion of Japanese, the whole world. The majority of the Muslims in my neighbour hood are just plain ignoring the facts and there are probably six hundred (a minimum I am told) men and now a few females as well who are fighting alongside Is.
Your world and mine are continually being affected by this total lack of leadership in grasping the sword and seem to think they can sort the problems by being PC. It seems to be too late for any pussyfooting around and we all should put pressure on our politicians to stand up and be counted and think about what this world, both Euroland and dollar land and yen land and what ever other land will look like in five years if we do nothing. You all have a pen and paper. JUST WRITE TO THEM. Sooner or later it will make a difference.
Even if we have to use a bucket of sunshine and glass them (the Is), over, the current situation has to stop.
Your pen will always be the mightiest gun in your holster.

 

[Larry L.]

I lost my dad to Fox News: How a generation was captured by thrashing hysteria - Salon.com

Salon.com. ...all left...only left...about everything...all the time...no?

Surprise, surprise. :snore:

 

[Keith]

You lost me all after the word 'radio'.

He means the "Wireless" David..... :squint:

 

[Keith]

Playing the Devil's Advocate here, the trick is to deal with the 'threat' without alienating millions of law abiding British citizens in the process, who just happen to adhere to the Muslim faith. I do not believe the answers are in anyway straight forward and I do not believe anyone is suffering from political correctness on this issue. Same goes for France who have a much bigger problem than we do.

Cameron has called the spade a spade just last week when he referred to the threat from 'radical Islam.' Keeping the bulk of the Muslim population on-side whilst encouraging them to self-police and submit to rigorous investigation will turn out to be one of the balancing acts of the 21st century.

But by all means, go gung ho and barge in with all guns blazing and see what kind of shattered community is left for the grandchildren.

OK. Here's a challenge. Y'all are good at criticising and saying (in your own opinions) what is wrong, so why don't you offer up your own plan detailed here?

The question: How to deal with the (perceived) Threat from Extremest Islam in Europe..

(Hint: Glazing over Birmingham is not a solution)

Discuss:

 

[Joey Dean]

not[/B] a solution)

Discuss:

Of course that is an option. Just because it is stupid and solves nothing does not make it an option.

Someone is going to have to be the asshole. As soon as that person steps up I am betting everyone else will lockstep up to the line with the idea in mind that we finally have someone to blame when it all goes to hell.

 

[Keith]

I didn't say is wasn't an option - I said it wasn't a solution.

So, you're saying that whoever comes up with whatever idea that goes wrong - he gets the blame and we all feel good (and smug) about it?

Hmmmm, it's certainly got a ring to it...

 

[roaldin]

Polarised glass?

Ok, as my point is being somewhat missed here I will try again:-
People tend, unfortunately, to focus only on things that reinforce their view.
Cultures, religions, media sources etc tend to split themselves and, purposely or not, support this weakness. Over time they can become so narrow they lose their usefulness (not to mention become dangerous)
Encouraging people, especially children, to look for different and varied sources of information, to 'get out more' is a constructive way to accelerate things in a positive direction IMO.

A little humour helps as well - especially if it occasionally involves laughing at yourself.

As has been illustrated by a couple of US contributors, it really isn't hard to find other sources of information that can fill in gaps and provide, how can I put it - wider viewing angles.

My post is focused on 1) the problem of poor media as stated by Mike and also by Larry, and 2) the later, I think flippant comment by Mike that ignorance is bliss.
I do not for a moment consider that 2nd comment to be a reflection on Mike, but I do see it as a problem at a cultural level.

Pete, I wonder if our PM will make Liz a dame...

David, how do you feel about the United states of Europe In general? Not just the English aspect. I accept that you may not care outside of the English situation but am interested if you have a position on this.


Tim.

 

[David Morton]

United states of Europe In general? Never in a million years. There was a sketch with John Cleese and others about who looks up to who and who looks down on who and it has never been more true than it is now in the UK. We have a very much under class and, generally, they are the European immigrants. There is a continual pressure to re export them but they throw away their travel documents because the EEC law states you cannot deport someone who has no state to go to. We have been at war with just about every other nation in Europe - and I mean wars that killed 15 million people that finished just before I was born. I don't think a year has gone past where we - the Brits - have not been at war with somebody.
By and large we cannot be bothered to learn the other languages in Europe. If they want to talk to us, they have to learn English like what we speak. They eat horrible things that, by and large, we throw in the bin. (A lot of their women have hairy armpits as well). We argue like hell about the laws imposed on us from the Hague and at the moment I think the majority of the people in the U.K. would like to leave the EEC forever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2k1iRD2f-c

In general, the immigrants have taken on the role of the little man.