Great news! Good luck.
Gary
Gary
F1 is boring me to death!!!!
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David Morton
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Qualifying today was encouraging - Renault P1 and P2 so it may yet just happen. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif Fingers and everything else crossed.
Shanghai is just such a brilliant place - So much going on and really well worth a visit. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif Big party tomorrow night - champions or not.....
Dave M
Shanghai is just such a brilliant place - So much going on and really well worth a visit. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif Big party tomorrow night - champions or not.....
Dave M
David Morton
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QED /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Dave M
Dave M
Pete McCluskey.
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Congratulations David, I'll bet the hangover is huge. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Is Shanghai as smoggy as it looked on TV?
Is Shanghai as smoggy as it looked on TV?
David Morton
Lifetime Supporter
Most arrived back from the Nightclub just as the bus was leaving for the airport at 0800hrs this morning.
Very quiet on the flight home.
It wasn't smog so much as the winds were northerly all weekend and the city is south east of the circuit. Very stable weather - more like anticyclonic gloom with visibility hovering around 2 to 3 km. Dave T could possibly add some comments about it.
Good weekend for the Renault F1 team.
And no , I didn't go around on Saturday night loosening the manhole covers.....
Dave T - thanks for the food on Sunday. Much appreciated.
Dave M
Very quiet on the flight home.
It wasn't smog so much as the winds were northerly all weekend and the city is south east of the circuit. Very stable weather - more like anticyclonic gloom with visibility hovering around 2 to 3 km. Dave T could possibly add some comments about it.
Good weekend for the Renault F1 team.
And no , I didn't go around on Saturday night loosening the manhole covers.....
Dave T - thanks for the food on Sunday. Much appreciated.
Dave M
Pete McCluskey.
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AAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Just sobered up from another interesting, exciting, very tiring GP weekend. Maybe it's the increased adrenelin flow over the weekend (or possibly the increased beer flow), but I never have any energy left at all!
Congratulations to Renault, they took the fight to McLaren and won. (Montoya did have bad luck with his GRID position though).
Congrats also to Dave for securing the Renault contract next year and a big thank you giving my friend Ray and I a guided tour around his impressive radar/weather equip. This included a cabaret performance from Dave's brother Pete in dealing with the rather persistant Rolex watch salesmen. A good deal for all at the end I think! Fortunately, Dave was unable to show us approaching rain as there wasn't a cloud in the sky all weekend.
I don't think Shanghai is particularly smoggy, if the TV shots were long distance showing the area around the circuit, then they can look misty. Shanghai area is very flat with nothing to break up the view, so you are looking at quite long distances, hence the mist. Of course it is a city of 20 million people, so there is pollution but not too bad. Personal car ownership is quite low here and bicycles are almost non polluting.
Incidentally, manhole covers, grids etc are a very complicated issue. Last year, the German touring cars came to the new area of Shanghai to stage a race over a road circuit prepared for the occasion. Practice was OK, but shortly after the start of the first race, one car dislodged a manhole cover which was then collected by the next car along. Big crash and race stopped. It turns out that the race organisers had taken advice from other road circuits such as Monaco and had glued the covers down. It was mid July with intense heat and the glue softened. There were then several hours delay while all the manholes on the circuit were welded shut.
Regards
Dave Tickle
Congratulations to Renault, they took the fight to McLaren and won. (Montoya did have bad luck with his GRID position though).
Congrats also to Dave for securing the Renault contract next year and a big thank you giving my friend Ray and I a guided tour around his impressive radar/weather equip. This included a cabaret performance from Dave's brother Pete in dealing with the rather persistant Rolex watch salesmen. A good deal for all at the end I think! Fortunately, Dave was unable to show us approaching rain as there wasn't a cloud in the sky all weekend.
I don't think Shanghai is particularly smoggy, if the TV shots were long distance showing the area around the circuit, then they can look misty. Shanghai area is very flat with nothing to break up the view, so you are looking at quite long distances, hence the mist. Of course it is a city of 20 million people, so there is pollution but not too bad. Personal car ownership is quite low here and bicycles are almost non polluting.
Incidentally, manhole covers, grids etc are a very complicated issue. Last year, the German touring cars came to the new area of Shanghai to stage a race over a road circuit prepared for the occasion. Practice was OK, but shortly after the start of the first race, one car dislodged a manhole cover which was then collected by the next car along. Big crash and race stopped. It turns out that the race organisers had taken advice from other road circuits such as Monaco and had glued the covers down. It was mid July with intense heat and the glue softened. There were then several hours delay while all the manholes on the circuit were welded shut.
Regards
Dave Tickle
David Morton
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Dave, You should have been there on Friday. The umbrellas were up during Untimed Practice at 1143 hrs intil 1147hrs.
GRATE weekend... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif. Some quick humour from China and down under.
Very good.
2006 calender should be out soon.
Dave M
GRATE weekend... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif. Some quick humour from China and down under.
Very good.
2006 calender should be out soon.
Dave M
With Dave's permission, I'll attempt to upload a couple of pics. My first try at this, lets see if it works.
This one should have dave's rack of equipment with Dave on the RHS and me on the left. Above Dave's arm is the general weather display, temp/press/humidity/radiation etc and below is the radar display which will show if any rain is developing.
This one should have dave's rack of equipment with Dave on the RHS and me on the left. Above Dave's arm is the general weather display, temp/press/humidity/radiation etc and below is the radar display which will show if any rain is developing.
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Last one. This is a close up of the radar screen. All very complicated!! Question for Dave - are the light blue lines all starting at the same point at the 5 O'clock position aeroplanes taking off from Hong Qiao airport?
Dave, once again thanks for showing us your gear and explaining the complex nature of weather forecasting to the minute. For all the F1 fans here, Renault will know exactly when the rain will come and which corner it will land on first.
As you know, racing drivers often don't want to give the reason for retirements, but Montoya couldn't COVER UP this one!
Regards
Dave Tickle
Dave, once again thanks for showing us your gear and explaining the complex nature of weather forecasting to the minute. For all the F1 fans here, Renault will know exactly when the rain will come and which corner it will land on first.
As you know, racing drivers often don't want to give the reason for retirements, but Montoya couldn't COVER UP this one!
Regards
Dave Tickle
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David Morton
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In answer Dave, yes. Both arrivals and departures and looking at the display, this is about 17 minutes worth of tracks. The white banded area at the 4 o'clock position is the radar permanent echos of the downtown area in Shanghai.
In answer to Pete's question earlier about smog, the vertical white lines are a cursor that I can position anywhere and in this case, they are arranged to be on the wind line/cloud lane. Clearly the airport is using northerly runways for departures which was consistent with the wind direction. The airport arrivals are the blue lines to the left and the departures emanate from the large 'magenta' blob down around 4.30 position.
Dave M
In answer to Pete's question earlier about smog, the vertical white lines are a cursor that I can position anywhere and in this case, they are arranged to be on the wind line/cloud lane. Clearly the airport is using northerly runways for departures which was consistent with the wind direction. The airport arrivals are the blue lines to the left and the departures emanate from the large 'magenta' blob down around 4.30 position.
Dave M
David Morton
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Someone just emailed this to me. I guess it's some of the agenda for next weeks meeting on the 24th about 2006 rules and regs,
Make of it what you will......
The return of tyre changes, knock-out qualifying, a restricted number of personnel used in pitstops and a ban on spare and third cars are key components of rule proposals put forward by the FIA for introduction next year.
In an email sent to the teams on Saturday detailing the agenda for a forthcoming meeting of the Formula One Commission, motor racing's governing body has suggested a radical revamp of the Grand Prix weekend in a bid to increase excitement.
The email outlines the changes that the FIA would like made to F1's sporting regulations. A vote on these changes will be made at the commission meeting in London on October 24th.
The details include:
• A revised weekend schedule - with Friday practice taking place from 10am to 11am and 1pm to 2pm. Saturday practice will be from 10am to 11am with qualifying running from 1pm to 2pm.
• A knock-out qualifying format which is broken up into three segments. The slowest five cars will be knocked out in the first 15 minute session, with the next slowest five knocked out in the next 15 minutes. A final 20-minute 10-car shoot-out for the top 10 grid positions will then take place - with cars running race levels of fuel. Those already knocked out can refuel prior to the race.
• Tyre changes in races will once again be allowed.
• A ban on spare cars and the third cars operated by the bottom six teams on Fridays.
• A limit of 14 people to work on a car during a pit-stop, with only one team member allowed to work on each wheel when changing tyres.
• A ban on tyre heaters
• The pre-race build up to be revised, with the pit-lane opening 45 minutes before the race starts for just five minutes. The drivers' parade will then take place once the cars are on the grid.
Some of the changes are known to have support in the pit-lane, especially the knock-out qualifying format and the return of tyre changes, other factors may face stiff opposition.
Those teams that had the chance to run third cars on Fridays next season because they failed to finish in the top four of the constructors' Championship are unlikely to support their ban, even though the FIA claims in the email that it does not make sense to allow third cars if spare cars are banned.
"Prohibiting the use of a third car is essential if spare cars are themselves to be prohibited," said a note in the document.
Justifying the ban on third cars, the document said: "Arguably, the purpose of allowing all but the top four teams to run a third car on Fridays has been defeated as most teams in this position are or were using the extra car to gain a competitive advantage
Regarding spare cars, the document said: "As spare cars are so rarely used now, and with races never being stopped under the new race suspension regulation, it would seem the right time to ban the presence of spare cars at a race."
The FIA has declined to elaborate on the specifics of what has been suggested, but a spokesman did confirm that the items were up for discussion at the F1 Commission meeting.
"We can confirm that the latest in a series of qualifying formats will be discussed," he said.
Minardi boss Paul Stoddart apparently claimed they were 'a crock of shit.
The Full FIA Proposal Document
Possible changes to the draft 2006 Sporting Regulations
1. Practice times
Proposal
Friday Untimed 10.00 to 11.00
Untimed 13.00 to 14.00
Saturday Untimed 10.00 to 11.00
Qualifying 13.00 to 14.00
2. Qualifying format
Proposal
Saturday Morning 60-minute free practice session (10.00 to 11.00)
Saturday Afternoon 60-minute qualifying session (13.00 to 14.00)
13.00 to 13.15 : All cars are permitted on the track and at the end of the 15-minute period the slowest five cars can take no further part in qualifying. These cars will then be arranged on the last five grid positions in the order of their times, the fastest occupying 16th position. The times for the fifteen remaining cars will then be deleted (i.e. be irrelevant to the grid)
13.20 to 13.35 : The remaining fifteen cars are permitted on the track and at the end of the 15-minute period the slowest five cars can take no further part in qualifying. These cars will then be arranged on the grid in positions eleven to fifteen in the order of their times, the fastest occupying 11th position. The times for the ten remaining cars will then be deleted (i.e. be irrelevant to the grid)
13.40 to 14.00 : The remaining ten cars are permitted on the track and at the end of the 20-minute period the cars will be arranged on the grid in positions one to ten in the order of their times, the fastest occupying pole position
• Cars will be under parc ferme conditions (changing tyres and adding fuel will no longer be part of the parc ferme regulations) from the time they enter the track for the first time during qualifying until the start of the race
a. Fuel may be added to cars at any time during the first 40 minutes of qualifying and any car eliminated during the first two periods may then be refuelled at any time until the pit lane opens for the race
b. Teams will be required to fill cars taking part in the final 20-minute period with the amount of fuel with which they intend to start the race. Any fuel used during the 20-minute period may be replaced before the start of the race (cars will be weighed at the exit of the pit lane when they leave for the first time during the 20-minute period and again before the race)
c. Each driver will be permitted to use seven sets of dry-weather tyres for the Event. How he chooses to use them is free except that all tyres used for qualifying and race must be of the same specification. Tyre changes will be permitted at any time during the race
d. Penalties for engine changes or other infringements of the rules will be applied after qualifying in the same way as they are at present
e. Article 131 of the draft 2006 Formula One Sporting Regulations will apply to any car failing to set a time in the first 15-minute period. If more than 5 cars fail to set a time, the rearmost five (after applying Article 131) will take no further part in qualifying, while the remaining cars will be allowed to go forward to the second period. This procedure will be repeated between the second and third periods if necessary
f. If twenty two cars are eligible to take part in the Event six cars will drop out after each of the fifteen minute periods leaving ten for the final 20 minutes
g. If twenty four cars are eligible to take part in the Event six cars will drop out after each of the fifteen minute periods leaving twelve for the final 20 minutes
Note : Five-minute breaks should be sufficient as refuelling takes only seconds. This will also allow time for television advertising without keeping race spectators waiting unnecessarily
It is likely that all cars eligible for the last period will run continuously and as fast as possible for the entire 20 minutes in order to make a final attempt at a good grid position in the last few minutes with minimum fuel and, possibly, new tyres
3. Spare cars
As spare cars are so rarely used now, and with races never being stopped under the new race suspension regulation, it would seem the right time to ban the presence of spare cars at a race
Proposal
Prohibit teams from having more than two cars available for use at any one time
Note : A clear definition of what constitutes a car, as opposed to a partially built chassis, would have to be included (this has already been done in the FIA Draft 2008 Technical Regulations)
4. Third car on Fridays
Arguably, the purpose of allowing all but the top four teams to run a third car on Fridays has been defeated as most teams in this position are or were using the extra car to gain a competitive advantage
Proposal
Teams should no longer be permitted to run a third car on Fridays
Note : Prohibiting the use of a third car is essential if spare cars are themselves to be prohibited.
5. Number of people working on a car
If the two proposals above are accepted, and in order to ensure teams are not required to bring personnel to races purely for working during pit stops, it is proposed that a restriction be placed on the number of people a team can have working on a car during a pit stop
Proposal
Restrict the number of people working on the car during a pit stop, or carrying out any function associated with the pit stop, to fourteen. Furthermore, if a wheel or wheels need to be changed, only one person can be involved with the operation of changing each wheel
6. Tyre heating
There is a case for a ban on tyre blankets, subject to the tyre companies raising no objections on justifiable safety grounds
Proposal
Prohibit the use of any devices, systems or procedures which are intended to heat tyres
Note : It may also be necessary to state that any tyres to due to be used by each driver must placed in the pit lane and be clearly visible to the scrutineers from 8.00am on each day of the Event, any tyres which have not been visible during that time may not be used (or words to that effect)
7. Drivers parade
It may be more convenient to bring the drivers parade closer to the race start time and make it part of the opening procedure
Proposal
Open the pit lane a little earlier and for a shorter time, once the cars are on the grid the drivers could get out of their cars and do the parade.
Open pit lane 13.15
Close pit lane 13.20
Drivers parade 13.25 to 13.40
Start of formation lap 14.00
Dave M
p.s.
Just imagine trying to drive one of these cars on cold and underinflated tyres. Another one for Paul Stoddart to comment on.......... Minardi boss Paul Stoddart apparently claimed the proposals were 'a crock of shit.
Make of it what you will......
The return of tyre changes, knock-out qualifying, a restricted number of personnel used in pitstops and a ban on spare and third cars are key components of rule proposals put forward by the FIA for introduction next year.
In an email sent to the teams on Saturday detailing the agenda for a forthcoming meeting of the Formula One Commission, motor racing's governing body has suggested a radical revamp of the Grand Prix weekend in a bid to increase excitement.
The email outlines the changes that the FIA would like made to F1's sporting regulations. A vote on these changes will be made at the commission meeting in London on October 24th.
The details include:
• A revised weekend schedule - with Friday practice taking place from 10am to 11am and 1pm to 2pm. Saturday practice will be from 10am to 11am with qualifying running from 1pm to 2pm.
• A knock-out qualifying format which is broken up into three segments. The slowest five cars will be knocked out in the first 15 minute session, with the next slowest five knocked out in the next 15 minutes. A final 20-minute 10-car shoot-out for the top 10 grid positions will then take place - with cars running race levels of fuel. Those already knocked out can refuel prior to the race.
• Tyre changes in races will once again be allowed.
• A ban on spare cars and the third cars operated by the bottom six teams on Fridays.
• A limit of 14 people to work on a car during a pit-stop, with only one team member allowed to work on each wheel when changing tyres.
• A ban on tyre heaters
• The pre-race build up to be revised, with the pit-lane opening 45 minutes before the race starts for just five minutes. The drivers' parade will then take place once the cars are on the grid.
Some of the changes are known to have support in the pit-lane, especially the knock-out qualifying format and the return of tyre changes, other factors may face stiff opposition.
Those teams that had the chance to run third cars on Fridays next season because they failed to finish in the top four of the constructors' Championship are unlikely to support their ban, even though the FIA claims in the email that it does not make sense to allow third cars if spare cars are banned.
"Prohibiting the use of a third car is essential if spare cars are themselves to be prohibited," said a note in the document.
Justifying the ban on third cars, the document said: "Arguably, the purpose of allowing all but the top four teams to run a third car on Fridays has been defeated as most teams in this position are or were using the extra car to gain a competitive advantage
Regarding spare cars, the document said: "As spare cars are so rarely used now, and with races never being stopped under the new race suspension regulation, it would seem the right time to ban the presence of spare cars at a race."
The FIA has declined to elaborate on the specifics of what has been suggested, but a spokesman did confirm that the items were up for discussion at the F1 Commission meeting.
"We can confirm that the latest in a series of qualifying formats will be discussed," he said.
Minardi boss Paul Stoddart apparently claimed they were 'a crock of shit.
The Full FIA Proposal Document
Possible changes to the draft 2006 Sporting Regulations
1. Practice times
Proposal
Friday Untimed 10.00 to 11.00
Untimed 13.00 to 14.00
Saturday Untimed 10.00 to 11.00
Qualifying 13.00 to 14.00
2. Qualifying format
Proposal
Saturday Morning 60-minute free practice session (10.00 to 11.00)
Saturday Afternoon 60-minute qualifying session (13.00 to 14.00)
13.00 to 13.15 : All cars are permitted on the track and at the end of the 15-minute period the slowest five cars can take no further part in qualifying. These cars will then be arranged on the last five grid positions in the order of their times, the fastest occupying 16th position. The times for the fifteen remaining cars will then be deleted (i.e. be irrelevant to the grid)
13.20 to 13.35 : The remaining fifteen cars are permitted on the track and at the end of the 15-minute period the slowest five cars can take no further part in qualifying. These cars will then be arranged on the grid in positions eleven to fifteen in the order of their times, the fastest occupying 11th position. The times for the ten remaining cars will then be deleted (i.e. be irrelevant to the grid)
13.40 to 14.00 : The remaining ten cars are permitted on the track and at the end of the 20-minute period the cars will be arranged on the grid in positions one to ten in the order of their times, the fastest occupying pole position
• Cars will be under parc ferme conditions (changing tyres and adding fuel will no longer be part of the parc ferme regulations) from the time they enter the track for the first time during qualifying until the start of the race
a. Fuel may be added to cars at any time during the first 40 minutes of qualifying and any car eliminated during the first two periods may then be refuelled at any time until the pit lane opens for the race
b. Teams will be required to fill cars taking part in the final 20-minute period with the amount of fuel with which they intend to start the race. Any fuel used during the 20-minute period may be replaced before the start of the race (cars will be weighed at the exit of the pit lane when they leave for the first time during the 20-minute period and again before the race)
c. Each driver will be permitted to use seven sets of dry-weather tyres for the Event. How he chooses to use them is free except that all tyres used for qualifying and race must be of the same specification. Tyre changes will be permitted at any time during the race
d. Penalties for engine changes or other infringements of the rules will be applied after qualifying in the same way as they are at present
e. Article 131 of the draft 2006 Formula One Sporting Regulations will apply to any car failing to set a time in the first 15-minute period. If more than 5 cars fail to set a time, the rearmost five (after applying Article 131) will take no further part in qualifying, while the remaining cars will be allowed to go forward to the second period. This procedure will be repeated between the second and third periods if necessary
f. If twenty two cars are eligible to take part in the Event six cars will drop out after each of the fifteen minute periods leaving ten for the final 20 minutes
g. If twenty four cars are eligible to take part in the Event six cars will drop out after each of the fifteen minute periods leaving twelve for the final 20 minutes
Note : Five-minute breaks should be sufficient as refuelling takes only seconds. This will also allow time for television advertising without keeping race spectators waiting unnecessarily
It is likely that all cars eligible for the last period will run continuously and as fast as possible for the entire 20 minutes in order to make a final attempt at a good grid position in the last few minutes with minimum fuel and, possibly, new tyres
3. Spare cars
As spare cars are so rarely used now, and with races never being stopped under the new race suspension regulation, it would seem the right time to ban the presence of spare cars at a race
Proposal
Prohibit teams from having more than two cars available for use at any one time
Note : A clear definition of what constitutes a car, as opposed to a partially built chassis, would have to be included (this has already been done in the FIA Draft 2008 Technical Regulations)
4. Third car on Fridays
Arguably, the purpose of allowing all but the top four teams to run a third car on Fridays has been defeated as most teams in this position are or were using the extra car to gain a competitive advantage
Proposal
Teams should no longer be permitted to run a third car on Fridays
Note : Prohibiting the use of a third car is essential if spare cars are themselves to be prohibited.
5. Number of people working on a car
If the two proposals above are accepted, and in order to ensure teams are not required to bring personnel to races purely for working during pit stops, it is proposed that a restriction be placed on the number of people a team can have working on a car during a pit stop
Proposal
Restrict the number of people working on the car during a pit stop, or carrying out any function associated with the pit stop, to fourteen. Furthermore, if a wheel or wheels need to be changed, only one person can be involved with the operation of changing each wheel
6. Tyre heating
There is a case for a ban on tyre blankets, subject to the tyre companies raising no objections on justifiable safety grounds
Proposal
Prohibit the use of any devices, systems or procedures which are intended to heat tyres
Note : It may also be necessary to state that any tyres to due to be used by each driver must placed in the pit lane and be clearly visible to the scrutineers from 8.00am on each day of the Event, any tyres which have not been visible during that time may not be used (or words to that effect)
7. Drivers parade
It may be more convenient to bring the drivers parade closer to the race start time and make it part of the opening procedure
Proposal
Open the pit lane a little earlier and for a shorter time, once the cars are on the grid the drivers could get out of their cars and do the parade.
Open pit lane 13.15
Close pit lane 13.20
Drivers parade 13.25 to 13.40
Start of formation lap 14.00
Dave M
p.s.
Just imagine trying to drive one of these cars on cold and underinflated tyres. Another one for Paul Stoddart to comment on.......... Minardi boss Paul Stoddart apparently claimed the proposals were 'a crock of shit.
David Morton
Lifetime Supporter
Found this on a media site this morning:
Last weekend’s Grand Prix of China concluded the 2005 FIA Formula One World Championship and
also marked the end after 16 years of the 3.0-litre V10 engine era in Formula One. Next season will see
the introduction of 2.4-litre V8 engines with Cosworth entering a wide-ranging partnership agreement for
the provision and development of V8 engines for WilliamsF1’s entry in the Formula One World
Championship.
Before then, however, did you know that in 2005?
• Cosworth enjoyed its strongest season in F1 since 1999.
ENGINE LIFE:
• Typical engine life increased from a maximum of 350km (pre-2004) to 650km (2004) to 1300km
maximum (2005).
• Engine life has therefore almost quadrupled in just two seasons!
ENGINE PERFORMANCE:
• The rate of engine performance development continued to increase despite the demanding
increases to engine life. The TJ2005 Series 10 engine used by Red Bull Racing at the 2005
Australian Grand Prix was a significant gain (+25BHP & +300RPM) in qualifying over the Series 8
engine used in the final race of 2004 (Brazilian Grand Prix)
• The Series 12 engine introduced exclusively with Red Bull Racing at the U.S. Grand Prix (17th-19th
June) represented the biggest performance gains Cosworth has ever delivered as a mid-season
upgrade (+30BHP & +700RPM) to take peak power to well over 900BHP throughout the races &
maximum engine speed to 19000RPM.
• The TJ2005 Series 12 engines raced in Shanghai last weekend were run to an optimised ‘single
event’ duty cycle to give maximum performance over their one event life. These two engines were
the highest performance V10 engines ever raced by Cosworth.
ENGINE RELIABILITY:
• Cosworth made no unscheduled engine changes with Red Bull Racing throughout the 2005 race
season. No other team in F1 achieved this in 2005.
• Cosworth experienced one single engine failure in competition in 2005. (The engine was on its
second event with Red Bull Racing’s David Coulthard at the Belgian Grand Prix on 11th
September).
• Minardi introduced the TJ2005 Series 10 powered PS05 chassis at the San Marino Grand Prix
(22nd-24th April) & enjoyed the same levels of engine reliability as Red Bull Racing.
RESULTS:
• The first two TJ2005 Series 10 engines raced by Red Bull Racing scored points in both their debut
races (David Coulthard & Christian Klien in Australia & Malaysia respectively).
• In 38 race starts Cosworth powered Red Bull Racing to 21 top 10 finishes, 15 points finishes & 4
double points finishes. Best finishes were David Coulthard’s 4th places at Melbourne & Nurburgring.
Dave M
Last weekend’s Grand Prix of China concluded the 2005 FIA Formula One World Championship and
also marked the end after 16 years of the 3.0-litre V10 engine era in Formula One. Next season will see
the introduction of 2.4-litre V8 engines with Cosworth entering a wide-ranging partnership agreement for
the provision and development of V8 engines for WilliamsF1’s entry in the Formula One World
Championship.
Before then, however, did you know that in 2005?
• Cosworth enjoyed its strongest season in F1 since 1999.
ENGINE LIFE:
• Typical engine life increased from a maximum of 350km (pre-2004) to 650km (2004) to 1300km
maximum (2005).
• Engine life has therefore almost quadrupled in just two seasons!
ENGINE PERFORMANCE:
• The rate of engine performance development continued to increase despite the demanding
increases to engine life. The TJ2005 Series 10 engine used by Red Bull Racing at the 2005
Australian Grand Prix was a significant gain (+25BHP & +300RPM) in qualifying over the Series 8
engine used in the final race of 2004 (Brazilian Grand Prix)
• The Series 12 engine introduced exclusively with Red Bull Racing at the U.S. Grand Prix (17th-19th
June) represented the biggest performance gains Cosworth has ever delivered as a mid-season
upgrade (+30BHP & +700RPM) to take peak power to well over 900BHP throughout the races &
maximum engine speed to 19000RPM.
• The TJ2005 Series 12 engines raced in Shanghai last weekend were run to an optimised ‘single
event’ duty cycle to give maximum performance over their one event life. These two engines were
the highest performance V10 engines ever raced by Cosworth.
ENGINE RELIABILITY:
• Cosworth made no unscheduled engine changes with Red Bull Racing throughout the 2005 race
season. No other team in F1 achieved this in 2005.
• Cosworth experienced one single engine failure in competition in 2005. (The engine was on its
second event with Red Bull Racing’s David Coulthard at the Belgian Grand Prix on 11th
September).
• Minardi introduced the TJ2005 Series 10 powered PS05 chassis at the San Marino Grand Prix
(22nd-24th April) & enjoyed the same levels of engine reliability as Red Bull Racing.
RESULTS:
• The first two TJ2005 Series 10 engines raced by Red Bull Racing scored points in both their debut
races (David Coulthard & Christian Klien in Australia & Malaysia respectively).
• In 38 race starts Cosworth powered Red Bull Racing to 21 top 10 finishes, 15 points finishes & 4
double points finishes. Best finishes were David Coulthard’s 4th places at Melbourne & Nurburgring.
Dave M
The first comment I would make is that if it wasn’t for spare cars, last Sundays race would have had only 18 starters and the World Champion would not have raced. (Despite it being his problem in the first place). I think everyone wants to see a full grid. Also, what happens if a driver has an accident in practice and the car can’t be repaired?
As Dave has pointed out, the cars don’t work properly on cold tyres. There must be some reason for the FIA saying “there is a case” to ban heaters?? Many pit exits are straight on to the racing line and a driver is quite likely to rejoin in the middle of a racing battle - not much fun and dangerous on cold tyres. There must be some reason behind this. The proposal also suggests that the tyres be placed in the pit lane to be visible to the scrutineer. Seven sets are allowed which are 28 tyres, this will take up lots of room.
There is less Saturday free practice time. This year, it has been two 45 min periods with a break to give teams time to make changes. Now, it will push the teams to sort the car quicker.
The proposed new qualifying. The first 15 minute period will be very busy with everyone out to put at least one fast lap in to avoid being in the slowest five. Generally, I think this will be better for the spectators and in the last 20 min period, it may be more like the “old days” when everyone was out trying for pole. This time though, the slower cars will not be there, so the faster cars should have more chance of a free lap. The only snag I see is that at most circuits, the PA system is not too good, so the spectators may not know who is in or out! (Personally, I never thought there was much wrong with the old system when tyres were free and cars could try for a fast time when they wanted. Too expensive to operate I think.)
The proposals for fuel and weighing the cars before the final 20 mins qualifying and race will have many difficulties I think. Wet/dry change in conditions for one.
One man per wheel to change tyres hhhmmmm. Maybe safety problems here, once he has got the wheel off, he needs to get it out of the way ASAP, he will not be too careful where it goes. Rolling into the path of another car? Maybe the teams will start a recruitment drive and headhunt the Kwik Fit Fitters -- -- They’re the boys for us!
Drivers parade. Not much wrong with the present system. I don’t think the drivers will like to be parading around the circuit so close to the race start, less time for a pee when they get back for one thing. Also, if it is raining hard, they won’t have time to change overalls, so do they start the race soaked?
It’s also a complicated time for spectators, deciding when to get the beer in and juggling toilet trips with a spare 5 mins activity on the track. The FIA doesn’t realise how many difficult decisions the spectators have to make in the final 30 mins, so I’m against this!
Generally, I can’t help thinking that for years now, the FIA has done nothing but bugger about and tinker with the rules for the sake of increasing the “spectacle”. Why ban tyre changes one year and put them back in the next??
As Dave has pointed out, the cars don’t work properly on cold tyres. There must be some reason for the FIA saying “there is a case” to ban heaters?? Many pit exits are straight on to the racing line and a driver is quite likely to rejoin in the middle of a racing battle - not much fun and dangerous on cold tyres. There must be some reason behind this. The proposal also suggests that the tyres be placed in the pit lane to be visible to the scrutineer. Seven sets are allowed which are 28 tyres, this will take up lots of room.
There is less Saturday free practice time. This year, it has been two 45 min periods with a break to give teams time to make changes. Now, it will push the teams to sort the car quicker.
The proposed new qualifying. The first 15 minute period will be very busy with everyone out to put at least one fast lap in to avoid being in the slowest five. Generally, I think this will be better for the spectators and in the last 20 min period, it may be more like the “old days” when everyone was out trying for pole. This time though, the slower cars will not be there, so the faster cars should have more chance of a free lap. The only snag I see is that at most circuits, the PA system is not too good, so the spectators may not know who is in or out! (Personally, I never thought there was much wrong with the old system when tyres were free and cars could try for a fast time when they wanted. Too expensive to operate I think.)
The proposals for fuel and weighing the cars before the final 20 mins qualifying and race will have many difficulties I think. Wet/dry change in conditions for one.
One man per wheel to change tyres hhhmmmm. Maybe safety problems here, once he has got the wheel off, he needs to get it out of the way ASAP, he will not be too careful where it goes. Rolling into the path of another car? Maybe the teams will start a recruitment drive and headhunt the Kwik Fit Fitters -- -- They’re the boys for us!
Drivers parade. Not much wrong with the present system. I don’t think the drivers will like to be parading around the circuit so close to the race start, less time for a pee when they get back for one thing. Also, if it is raining hard, they won’t have time to change overalls, so do they start the race soaked?
It’s also a complicated time for spectators, deciding when to get the beer in and juggling toilet trips with a spare 5 mins activity on the track. The FIA doesn’t realise how many difficult decisions the spectators have to make in the final 30 mins, so I’m against this!
Generally, I can’t help thinking that for years now, the FIA has done nothing but bugger about and tinker with the rules for the sake of increasing the “spectacle”. Why ban tyre changes one year and put them back in the next??
David Morton
Lifetime Supporter
My mind conjures up drivers going around on the parade wearing plastic macs or ponchos and peeing over the side of the truck. The last part of qualifying where the previous times are set aside could be very interesting, especially in inclement conditions. I don't think the ban on tyre heaters will be accepted for the reason Dave T highlights above.
But like everything in motorsport, the teams will find ways to do things hitherto undreamt of.
Dave M
But like everything in motorsport, the teams will find ways to do things hitherto undreamt of.
Dave M
David Morton
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WORLD MOTOR SPORT COUNCIL
PRESS RELEASE
WORLD MOTOR SPORT COUNCIL
The World Motor Sport Council met in Rome on October 26, 2005. The following decisions were taken:
FORMULA ONE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP
Approved the following regulations for the 2006 FIA Formula One World Championship.
Tyres
Each driver will be permitted to use seven sets of dry-weather tyres for each event. All tyres used for qualifying and race must be of the same specification. Tyre changes will be permitted at any time during the race.
Qualifying format
All cars are permitted on the track. At the end of the first 15-minute period the slowest five cars can take no further part in qualifying. These cars will make up the last five grid positions in the order of their times, the fastest occupying 16th position.
The times for the fifteen remaining cars are reset for the next session. At the end of the second 15-minute period the slowest five cars can take no further part in qualifying. These cars will make up the grid in positions eleven to fifteen in the order of their times, the fastest occupying 11th position.
The times for the ten remaining cars will be reset for the next session. For the final period, lasting 20 minutes, the cars will be arranged on the grid in positions one to ten in the order of their times, the fastest occupying pole position
Cars will be under parc ferme conditions from the time they enter the track for the first time during qualifying until the start of the race. Changing tyres and adding fuel will no longer be part of the parc ferme regulations
Fuel may be added to cars at any time during the first 40 minutes of qualifying and any car eliminated during the first two periods may then be refuelled at any time until the pit lane opens for the race. Teams will be required to fill cars taking part in the final 20-minute period with the amount of fuel with which they intend to start the race. Any fuel used during the 20-minute period may be replaced before the start of the race.
If 22 cars are eligible to take part in the Event, six cars will drop out after each of the fifteen minute periods leaving ten for the final 20 minutes. If twenty four cars are eligible to take part in the Event, six cars will drop out after each of the fifteen minute periods leaving twelve for the final 20 minutes.
A package of measures were approved for the 2008 Championship. These include the introduction of a Centreline Downwash Generating wing, larger wheels with slick tyres and a single tyre supplier. The package will be brought forward to 2007 if an 80% majority of the Formula One Technical Working Group agree to do so before the end of December 2005.
DM
PRESS RELEASE
WORLD MOTOR SPORT COUNCIL
The World Motor Sport Council met in Rome on October 26, 2005. The following decisions were taken:
FORMULA ONE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP
Approved the following regulations for the 2006 FIA Formula One World Championship.
Tyres
Each driver will be permitted to use seven sets of dry-weather tyres for each event. All tyres used for qualifying and race must be of the same specification. Tyre changes will be permitted at any time during the race.
Qualifying format
All cars are permitted on the track. At the end of the first 15-minute period the slowest five cars can take no further part in qualifying. These cars will make up the last five grid positions in the order of their times, the fastest occupying 16th position.
The times for the fifteen remaining cars are reset for the next session. At the end of the second 15-minute period the slowest five cars can take no further part in qualifying. These cars will make up the grid in positions eleven to fifteen in the order of their times, the fastest occupying 11th position.
The times for the ten remaining cars will be reset for the next session. For the final period, lasting 20 minutes, the cars will be arranged on the grid in positions one to ten in the order of their times, the fastest occupying pole position
Cars will be under parc ferme conditions from the time they enter the track for the first time during qualifying until the start of the race. Changing tyres and adding fuel will no longer be part of the parc ferme regulations
Fuel may be added to cars at any time during the first 40 minutes of qualifying and any car eliminated during the first two periods may then be refuelled at any time until the pit lane opens for the race. Teams will be required to fill cars taking part in the final 20-minute period with the amount of fuel with which they intend to start the race. Any fuel used during the 20-minute period may be replaced before the start of the race.
If 22 cars are eligible to take part in the Event, six cars will drop out after each of the fifteen minute periods leaving ten for the final 20 minutes. If twenty four cars are eligible to take part in the Event, six cars will drop out after each of the fifteen minute periods leaving twelve for the final 20 minutes.
A package of measures were approved for the 2008 Championship. These include the introduction of a Centreline Downwash Generating wing, larger wheels with slick tyres and a single tyre supplier. The package will be brought forward to 2007 if an 80% majority of the Formula One Technical Working Group agree to do so before the end of December 2005.
DM
David Morton
Lifetime Supporter
Newey (late of McLaren and probably now on garden duties) has signed with Mateshitz (Red Bull Racing). Now he can build his dream of an ocean racing yacht
David Morton
Lifetime Supporter
At a Technical Working Group meeting in London on 2nd, December the radical "Centreline Downwash" rear wing designed by Adrian Newey was voted out for 2007 though it may be on the agenda again for 2008. Pat Symonds had described it as a "Knee Jerk reaction" and would need a lot more research first.
Dave M
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