general rules for shopping for GT40 bits

Jim Rosenthal

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This post is prompted by one that was put up regarding a CAV car that was advertised as some kind of distress sale, some cock-and-bull story about a deceased owner and a low price too good to be true etc....

Suggested Rules For Buying GT40s or Bits Thereof:
1) don't buy from anyone without a verifiable address, phone number and location. Know who you are buying from and where they are. Check them out thoroughly. At your leisure.
2) if something is too good to be true, it is NOT true. Stay away from it.
3) reputable sellers don't mind providing references and allowing you to vet them with others- anyone who declines to participate in that process, STAY AWAY FROM THEM.
4) don't do business with anyone who appears to have shafted someone on the Forum. People are generally very careful about what they post because of liability issues. If something negative appears, it is very likely the tip of the iceberg. Pay attention to the warning.
5) quality costs. Most of the bits and pieces we are concerned with cost a lot because their manufacture involves a lot of hand work and because they are made in low numbers. Bargains may end up costing you a lot more over time. Cheap pieces in critical parts of a high-speed car may end up costing you more than money.
6) anyone who is in a hurry to sell you anything, WATCH OUT. NO GT40 car or piece thereof is worth getting screwed on. Someone who is pushing you to buy quickly is very likely trying to take advantage of you.
I've been impressed by the honesty and decency of virtually all the people I've met and dealt with on this Forum. I've also been impressed, in a different way, by the astonishing corruption and venality that Internet commerce allows people to display. I guess I shouldn't be, because these stories are very old indeed; it's just a new venue for thieves to operate within.
I speak from experience; a few years ago I bought a Ferrari from a so-called 'broker'. The car turned out to have serious maintenance issues and required a great deal of expensive work to sort out. I was very lucky and persistent- I persuaded the 'broker' that it was in his best interest to pay for a substantial part of these repairs (the fact that I was introducing him to the Dumpster I was about to throw him into after I broke his neck may have had something to do with his decision that paying me was a good idea). But many of us are dealing with people in other states, or other countries, etc- recourse is much more difficult.
Which brings me to the last part of this: most of the people on this Forum are not wealthy. It is clear to me that for each GT40 built or bought, other things are not built, or bought, or are put off. Sacrifices are made, clearly, by most of us who pursue this particular dream. These cars are expensive enough without the added cost of having your funds stolen from you.
 
Jim,

Good post...I too have almost been had in my younger days and going into my first cobra replica experience.

I saw the alarming ad/auction on ebay and instantly knew it was too good to be true and thought I would "press to test" and see what the gimick was to pass along to others that may not have these experiences/insight into such scams.

As it turned out my instincts were correct thus my passing along to others here before someone got caught up in it.

Good way to sum it all up for the "newbies" out there.

Devin
 
I have just bought a ZF transaxle on e-bay. The vendor has been listed since 2000 and has 100% positive feedback. I have checked their other items sold in the past and they have been classic motor parts, albeit generally of lower value than a ZF.

I have not paid yet. Before I do, how would you suggest that somebody in the UK verifies their US address (in Los Angeles)?

Thanks for your help, Martin
 

Howard Jones

Supporter
How about you send a letter to the address return receipt requested. You will get a notice from the postal service that the letter was delivered. If you really want to find out have a private courier service deliever a letter to the person at the address.

PS: does this mean that your gearbox is for sale again?
 
Martin,

Try directory assistance in L.A. (usually the area code +

555-1212). Ask the operator for "ZF Seller" at "123 Victory

Lane". If the phone number that you have, matches, then the

address is likely to be legitimate. Most phone companies in

the U.S., list by the physical address, and not by billing

address(P.O. box).

This information may also be available online, via a

white pages search for the seller's name, or a

reverse directory search of the phone number.

Best of luck!

Bill
 
Anyone on this forum who can check on your seller and transaxle? If you use a delivery escrow service, you only insure that you will receive a crate.
 
If you have the phone number of the place, put it in the search window of Google. It will give you the name and address for that number. Then hit Yahoo Maps and you get a picture of where it is exactly.
This is a little known trick with Google. Try your own number. The down side is that if someone has your phone number, they can findout exactly where you live. You can request that your address be deleted from their database. Sometimes it will throw up the wrong city. Mine comes up Atlanta with the wrong zip code. I guess Snellville ("Everybody is somebody in Snellville") hasn't made it to the big time yet.
Bill
 
Rip offs on Ebay are quite prevalent.

One big tip is the payment method, if it's a money wire or bank transfer it usually means its a rip off.

Another is location, like Romania, Lebanon or Russia etc.

Another thing is that you can't go by a sellers feedback or sales because people can steal a good sellers identity (password) and list bogus items with the thieves method of payment.

Also shill bidding is a not uncommon occurence.

Google "ebay scams" and you get over 2,000 hits.

Buyer beware.
 
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