Lancia 037 recreation

Ok so here it goes,

I love building rally cars from the seventies and eighties. So far i have built a Lancia Stratos replica ( a Hawk with Alfa romeo V6 ). After i sold the car i bought a restauration project an Alpine A110 which is currently at the paint shop to prepare for paint. I have a build log on facebook: pims Alpine A110

Then i got my hands on an abbandonned project a Lancia 037 recreation based on a Lancia Beta Montecarlo tub like original.
This is the reason why i joined because the Lancia 037 uses a ZF 5DS 25 gearbox in the same way Detomaso Panthera does ( inverted to the Ford GT 40 ).
I also have a build log on facebook: Pims lancia 037

I have been looking for a good gearbox preferably a ZF 5 DS 25. But those are scarce. I also found a lot of threads here about Audi boxes, i have an Audi A4 gearbox now.
But some while ago i came about a ZF 4DS 10 gearbox and it looks similar to the 5DS.
So as you guys have a lot of experience i was wondering, would it be possible to make a 5 speed out od a ZF 4DS gearbox. ???
As you can see in the picture the front looks a;most the same.
I heard in Holland these boxes were converted to 4wd so maybe 5 speed is also possible??
Any advice appriciated.

Best regards,

Pim
 

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Markus

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Hello Pim,

I should have some more Information on the 4DS10 gearbox but I‘m currently on vacation....“
I don‘t know if a 5 speed conversion is possible or not but the horse power it can take is probably not too high.
For hp rating look into following sites:
https://www.zf.com/corporate/media/zf_media_import/document/corporate_2/company_4/tradition_3/service/historische_datenbl_tter/4-gang-synchron/4_ds_10/F_41191_R_1244_769.pdf
https://www.zf.com/corporate/media/zf_media_import/document/corporate_2/company_4/tradition_3/service/historische_datenbl_tter/4-gang-synchron/4_ds_10/Datenbl_4DS10_861.pdf
Getriebe ZF 4DS10/2 4.Gang Synchroma im Ford GT

Regards,
Markus
 

Randy V

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Lloyd is a tough guy to get hold of. You might try email or by sending him a letter...
 
Hello Pim,

I should have some more Information on the 4DS10 gearbox but I‘m currently on vacation....“
I don‘t know if a 5 speed conversion is possible or not but the horse power it can take is probably not too high.

Regards,
Markus
Thanks Markus for the extra info, i read in one of the papers that an extra drive can be added to the gearbox but i suppose they mean something like 4WD?
Any info appriciated.
The alternative is of course the Audi transaxle which i already have. Just exploring possibilities closer to original. I got an offer for a 4DS for 200 Euro so might buy it just to take it apart and see whats in.

Have a good vacation.

Cheers,

Pim
 

Markus

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Hello Pim,

I should have some more Information on the 4DS10 gearbox but I‘m currently on vacation....“
I don‘t know if a 5 speed conversion is possible or not but the horse power it can take is probably not too high.
For hp rating look into following sites:
https://www.zf.com/corporate/media/zf_media_import/document/corporate_2/company_4/tradition_3/service/historische_datenbl_tter/4-gang-synchron/4_ds_10/F_41191_R_1244_769.pdf
https://www.zf.com/corporate/media/zf_media_import/document/corporate_2/company_4/tradition_3/service/historische_datenbl_tter/4-gang-synchron/4_ds_10/Datenbl_4DS10_861.pdf
Getriebe ZF 4DS10/2 4.Gang Synchroma im Ford GT

Regards,
Markus

Hello Pim,

unfortunately my memory did not serve me correct....
I mixed up the different transaxle type's 4DS10 with 5DS10/12/20.
However, I post what I have (sorry for the odd shape of the pictures-resizing was for whatever reason tough):
 

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Thank you Markus for the info.
I have been offered one for 200 Euro's so might give it a go even if it is just for exploring the technique.

Best regards,

Pim
 
Thank you Markus for the info.
I have been offered one for 200 Euro's so might give it a go even if it is just for exploring the technique.

Best regards,

Pim
Could not resist and bought the box, now see whats inside.
 

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Ian Anderson

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That looks like a lot of gearbox for Eur200.
Sounds interesting and I hope it works for your application

Ian
 
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