Really good track-only tire.....??

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Cliff Beer

Just wondering what folks might recommend for a good track-only tire. My new weekend ride has staggered 19/20 Michelin pilot sport all-season tires (245 F, 305 R). Great tires. I'm just looking for a track day tire to mount on an extra set of stock/OEM wheels - prefer not to burn up my regular street tires if I do a track event.

Assuming no wet track driving....strictly dry tires run in 60-80 degree temps for 2-3 short 20 minute sessions. I would hope to get 6 or 7 track days out of them with reasonably responsible driving.

Thanks in advance for any help.
 
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David Garton

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I have a new set of Hoosiers 315/40/ZR19 R6 compounds. Stored inside airconditioned showroom. I had a set of BBS with them front and rears for tracking my 05 GT. They work incredibly like the car was on rails.
 
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BenL

If you like the Pilot Sport A/S, have you looked at the Pilot Sport 4 A/S? They're a lot quieter on the track than the Pilot Sport 3 A/S I used to have on my Mustang.

(I'm not driving at 10/10ths nor am I a tire expert. I'm just having fun driving in circles)
 
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Darius Rudis

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I am running R7 Hoosires on my SLC but alas, they are worn out after a lot of track days. How many? None of the Hoosiers I have put on the car have been new. So the used take-offs have ranged from pretty old to nearly new. My best guess and observation is they will be new to good for about 4 to 6 weekends and then degrade from OK to done over the next dozen or so if you don't require best performance. They are safe until they are at least 3-5 years old or the wear looks like the cord might begin to show, BUT DON'T LET THEM FREEZE!!!!!!

I bought a new set of Toyo RR's. My first set of new tires! They are a lot less money and for my driving ability are fast enough I believe (hope). In any case, the new Toyos have to be a lot better than worn-out R7s.

One thing about track-only dot slicks. They are very thin in the contact patch. They will not tolerate being locked up at all. You will have a big hole in them faster than you can say...... fuck!!!!! But they are MUCH faster than ANY street tire........by a lot. I would say that on my SLC the worn-out R7s are faster than any set of any new street tires I could put on it.

I have been told that the R7s are at least 5-6 seconds a lap (on a 2-minute lap) faster than the best street tire. I think they could be a lot more than that.

My choice for a streetcar that gets dual use? Say 3000 miles of road use and 4 days at the track (400-500miles) a year. Toyo R888R

Current prices each at Tire Rack 245/40/17

R7 $387
Toyo RR $287
R888R $236
Michelin Pilot Sport 4S $261

Really great value and good size selection

Toyo Proxes Sport $160
 
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Cliff Beer

Thank you Gents, those are some good suggestions.

I'm really looking for some track-only/R compound tires. I have street tires that came on the car (2024 C8 stingray) which are the Michelin Pilot Sport all season I believe. The track tires would be for the 1-2 track days I might do per year. You know, drive to the track, swap out the tires, do a couple sessions then switch the tires back and return home with the support vehicle.

I have an extra set of the new OEM rims already...bought from a guy who didn't like the silver color. Just need the track tires now. The Z06 uses an R compound Michelin Pilot Sport I believe, but it's a wider wheel/tire front and rear so that spec isn't viable.

Anyway, spring is a ways away so there's time to do some more research.

Thank you!
 
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Jean-Marc

One more time a question of tire for a RCR GT40. The car is use only on track days, no use on the street. Presently equiped with Avon, new, bit 12years old and to hard.
I am looking to replace them but since Nova are manufacturing them in Portugal the price is rising in Europe.
By security I am looking for a tire that is rated V or W, unofrtunately a lot of tires that you mention in various posts are rated lower because only for street use, and would risk to blow on a race track with intense strength.
I am thinking to go with Michelin TB5R they are street legal used on rallyes in France but engineered for race track, the first advantage is that they are lower in price compared to Avon, lighter in weight. The drawback is a diameter lower than Avon. In resistance all comments are superior to Avon. The other alternative would be Dunlop CR82, as mentionned recently by Rob Klein, I think they are too wide and will glue on the track and generate a lot of strength on the transmission.
I put and excell file coming from somebody on the site (thank you to him ?) adapted to my comparison.
 

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Markus

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Jean-Marc,

Nankang is another option altough not really cheaper than Nova's and I have not seen any reports on how they perform on a 40.....

weisserheilbronn

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Cobra said:
Jean-Marc, this is the Nankang pricing sheet from the Roger Krauss Racing website.
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Thanks for posting.

Seems they are also available in Europe:
www.nankang.eu

295/50R15 108V CVR-6 - Nankang Motorsport Europe

www.nankang.eu www.nankang.eu

Pricing is smart:mad:, just below the Nova's.....
 
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Jean-Marc

Markus, I agree, thank you for the info, the prices seems intersting. Thethey are rated V like the Avon, but except this I cannot found any information on sizes or technical data.
Last thing, Avon, Dunlop and Michelin are widely used in racing in Europe, but what about Nankang ? I never see a single car on the French race track, but may be it is only related to the lack of vendor in France.
 
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Markus

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Yes, no further information unfortunately - first information was already in 2024.....
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Thread 'New source for a performance 15" tire for the GT'

Read this today on Club Cobra. Apparently Roger Kraus is working with Nankang to make a new tire series to compete with Avon which is also cheaper. Sounds promising!!

Big news on 15" performance tires! - Club Cobra

I had an interesting discussion about 15" performance rubber, with Brandon Kraus, this afternoon. With the trepidation about Avon closing down
www.clubcobra.com
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Jean-Marc

JMCGRATH, Hoosier are higher in price than Avon in France.

I found this old post too.
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Thread 'Avon CR6ZZ vs Michelin TB5 F&R??'

I was all set to put my order in for a set of Avon CR6zz (295/50-15 rear & 215/60-15 front), to improve on my current Dunlop racing M section crossplys (6.50m15 rear 5.50m15 front).

However while at the Retro Motorsport show on Saturday I saw some Michelin TB5 F&R semi slick road legal tyres (295/40-15 rear & 215/55-15 front) and thought that they might be even better - anyone had any experiance or thoughts on these yet?

I know that this will reduce my ground clearance by another 30mm or so, however, while my car is road registered and MOT'd, currently I dont really have any plans to...
 
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Jean-Marc

Dave, I agree, I do not have a dry sump but an Accusump could partially compensate the effect, and anyway I will not choose slick tires but mixt type.
 
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Jean-Marc

weisserheilbronn said:
Jean-Marc,

Nankang is another option altough not really cheaper than Nova's and I have not seen any reports on how they perform on a 40.....

weisserheilbronn

Post in thread 'Newby with tire questions.'

Cobra said:
Jean-Marc, this is the Nankang pricing sheet from the Roger Krauss Racing website.
Click to expand...
Thanks for posting.

Seems they are also available in Europe:
www.nankang.eu

295/50R15 108V CVR-6 - Nankang Motorsport Europe

www.nankang.eu www.nankang.eu

Pricing is smart:mad:, just below the Nova's.....
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I rechecked the Nankang, CRV-6, does You Markus or anybody has experience with them compared to Avon, on the total set of tires for the exact same dimensions there is 400€ of gain !

15" - Nankang Motorsport Europe

www.nankang.eu www.nankang.eu
They are available from a website in Europe free of charge and taxe included.
 
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Walter

``They are available from a website in Europe free of charge and taxe included." Surely you are joking Mr. Feynman ... :)!!!
 
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Walter

High performance tires, road or track, for cars with 15in rims on vintage cars (with suitable aspect ratio) have become really scarce on the market. What's left usually is quite expensive. This holds even more so for 14in rims (with Hoosiers pretty much the only choice). I recently switched from 14" to 15" on my Alfa so that I can run Yokohama Advans. Within a few tire changes I'll have recovered the cost of the rims (Panasports)...
 
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