Republicans, what is wrong with you?

[Nick]

Oh and NO I DON'T THINK A TEACHER DESERVES ANYWHERE NEAR ENOUGH TO AFFORD A GT40; EVER !!!!!!! unless you are a professor than just sit back and accept that you will not ever be wealthy as that is just not in the cards for the profession YOU CHOSE! Stop bleeding the rest of those us that did (another old saying comes to mind) just because you some of you chose to teach.

Damian,

We appear to be getting of topic again, I Think you meant to put this in the joke section as that IMHO is were it belongs.

If you meant it seriously then I can only form the opinion that you attack teachers as you could not have had a good education. You appear not to have learnt the value of an education or those that gave you it.

Aristotle

Those who educate children well are more to be honored than parents, for these only gave life, those the art of living well.

 

[Nick]

"Gone fishin there's a sign upon your door", OK I'll bite!!!

Now plenty of facts have been given to support both views and at this point it boils down to if you are a socialist sorry democrat (get your damn hands out of my pocket) :heart:

Et tu, Brute? Vice versa

Oh and NO I DON'T THINK A TEACHER DESERVES ANYWHERE NEAR ENOUGH TO AFFORD A GT40; EVER !!!!!!!

 

[Damian]

I hold teachers in the highest regard and even have SEVERAL friends that are in the profession. Fact is that MOST go into the field KNOWING FULL WELL that they will NOT BECOME WEALTHY!!!! They do it because they have a love of children and want to do their part for the next generation. To that I applaud them. The problem is when unions get involved (and ALL of them HATE THEIR UNION). Funny how their ORIGINAL PURPOSE for entering the field seems to go the way of the DODO once the unions get involved as it becomes more about $ and not teaching. Lets face it we as a country have been slipping BADLY and QUICKLY in terms of the world and have one of the highest expenditures in education out of any country. GUESS WHAT FOLKS OUR TEACHERS SUCK!!!!!!!. PAY THEM MORE FOR WHAT? So that we could keep getting SUB-PAR EDUCATORS creating an undereducated society? I am all for teachers who teach because they love their job regardless of salary (oh and my aunt is now a dean that makes 100K+ per year but she works her A$$ off year round not for part of the year) but they are NOT the norm. Many truths have been said in jest and having said that I will add THOSE THAT CAN DO; THOSE THAT CAN'T TEACH!!!!!

 

[Damian]

I will add one thing to all of this nonsense and it is a proverbial gauntlet being thrown; AGAIN IF ANY ONE OF YOU CAN POST ONE SINGLE LIE, ALTERED TRUTH, OR ANYTHING BESIDE FACT PLEASE DO. I have NEVER posted anything but fact so please stop accusing me of doing anything but that. All that is happening is that you are showing just how idiotic and full of crap you are as your argument is not only based in vapors but goes to show just who REFUSES TO SEE THE FACTS.

Now if some want to imply that I have not gotten any education or a remedial one at best than I can say thanks for proving my point about how bad the teachers are in this county and that only reinforces my point that they do not deserve any pay increase and should be put on a earn your pay system because as you all think; I am living proof of just how SH!TTY A JOB YOU ALL ARE DOING!!!!!!

 

[Doug S.]

Gotta love the "IGNORE" function :thumbsup:

Cheers to who-ever developed it from Doug!!!

 

[Jim Craik]

I will add one thing to all of this nonsense and it is a proverbial gauntlet being thrown; AGAIN IF ANY ONE OF YOU CAN POST ONE SINGLE LIE, ALTERED TRUTH, OR ANYTHING BESIDE FACT PLEASE DO.

Posted by Damian.

*******

Damian, you just posted this:

Now all I keep hearing about is a few OVER PRIVILEGED TEACHERS WITH GT40's

Posted by Damian.

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Damian, you made that statement, IS IT A FACT?

So Damian, this is all you are hearing?............ You hear nothing else?


(1) Damian, please tell us where are you hearing this? Are the voices inside your head?


(2)Please give us a few examples of OVER PRIVILEGED TEACHERS WITH GT40's

 

[Nick]

AGAIN IF ANY ONE OF YOU CAN POST ONE SINGLE LIE, ALTERED TRUTH, OR ANYTHING BESIDE FACT PLEASE DO. I have NEVER posted anything but fact so please stop accusing me of doing anything but that. All that is happening is that you are showing just how idiotic and full of crap you are as your argument is not only based in vapors but goes to show just who REFUSES TO SEE THE FACTS.

"and ALL of them HATE THEIR UNION"

Really all of them ?

I am all for teachers who teach because they love their job regardless of salary (oh and my aunt is now a dean that makes 100K+ per year but she works her A$$ off year round not for part of the year) but they are NOT the norm.

Well I can only talk about the UK but my wife has been teaching for 30 years and earns around $54000 and works a dam site harder than anyone I have ever met in my entire working life, and there are many others like her.

As I have a vested interest I would say that wouldn't I, so don't take my word for it take the word of the insurance companies.

We had a visit from a financial advisor around 12 months ago who told us it was lucky we were not looking for life insurance as because of the stress of the job, teachers are placed in the same category for life insurance purposes as a bomb disposal officer.

Now if some want to imply that I have not gotten any education or a remedial one at best than I can say thanks for proving my point about how bad the teachers are in this county and that only reinforces my point that they do not deserve any pay increase and should be put on a earn your pay system because as you all think; I am living proof of just how SH!TTY A JOB YOU ALL ARE DOING!!!!!!

Does one bad apple mean the farmer is bad? I suspect from your posts, (although I am sure you will deny it) you were probably taught by republican teaches and not democratic ones.?

 

[Damian]

Actually I would have to agree to being taught by republican teachers although I am not 100% sure. I did grow up in a predominantly republican area. Now please don't think that I dislike teachers as there are plenty that deserve more than they get but from those in the profession that I know and have spoken to I can say that they are not the norm.

I also do not doubt that the job of a teacher is stressful but not more so than say a policeman, investment adviser, dentist, postal worker etc. I do find it funny that most of you are all gravitating towards teachers and not the unions as a whole. It's really a pathetic attempt to get the sympathy vote. How about we deal with the unions as a whole and not just one specific group that would PLAY TO THE PUBLIC.

 

[Jim Craik]

Damian, you threw down the gauntlet.

You say you post nothing but facts.

Please give us a few examples of OVER PRIVILEGED TEACHERS WITH GT40's<!-- google_ad_section_end -->



You made that statement, IS IT A FACT?

 

[Jim Craik]

I will add one thing to all of this nonsense and it is a proverbial gauntlet being thrown; AGAIN IF ANY ONE OF YOU CAN POST ONE SINGLE LIE, ALTERED TRUTH, OR ANYTHING BESIDE FACT PLEASE DO. I have NEVER posted anything but fact so please stop accusing me of doing anything but that.

Posted by Damian


Ok Damian you are a big talker! You say you have never posted anything but FACT

It's now time to prove it!

Now all I keep hearing about is a few OVER PRIVILEGED TEACHERS WITH GT40's

Posted by Damian

Tell us where you keep hearing about: OVER PRIVILEGED TEACHERS WITH GT40's

and give us a few examples of OVER PRIVILEGED TEACHERS WITH GT40's.

 

[Graham]

CAPITAL LETTERS anyone :uneasy:

Damian, you are on a loser here. you can't water down your initial rhetoric. It's in print for all to see mate...

 

[Doug S.]

(1) Damian, please tell us where are you hearing this? Are the voices inside your head?

I suspect our Damian (wasn't that the name of the Jesuit preist who conducted the ritual in "The Exorcist"...Father Damien Karras? Gotta be something more than just coincidence about that, no?) has WAAAAY more demons roaming around in that muddled mind than just those with voices. In my experience, it's not uncommon for demented individuals to experience delusions of grandeur and to respond to challenges with vitriolic rants....sound familiar, like something we've seen from Trader/Damian lately? Look at Charlie Sheen, he's a great example, has probably fried his brain with those "7 gram rocks". I'm not sure OUR Damian could be helped with an exorcism, though, depends on how far gone he is now, and even in at his best he had much less on the ball than Charlie Sheen ever did.

Jim, I guess the issue here is that we just can't expect anything that Damian says on the forum to hold any water in the truth test....the demons roaming around in his noggin have destroyed any little bit of veracity he might have enjoyed at first. Alas, I fear he's a gonner.......:thumbsdown:

Sadly, he's probably a splendid example of what is wrong with the Republican party these days (this IS a thread about the Republican Party, isn't it?). Think about it, aren't they displaying delusions of grandeur and responding to the challenges of their much more reasonable Democratic partners in crime with vitriolic rants? Yep, and here's an excellent example of our highly revered Republicans:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMgyi57s-A4

Cheers from Doug!!

 

[Tom P]

Talk about a waste of tax dollars!!
Joel Klein vs. New York City teachers : The New Yorker

 

[Doug S.]

Right, Tom....I couldn't read it all, I was so amazed by the time I got half way through it.

Principals DO bring up trumped up charges against an employee they want to fire. It is required that they "build a book", which is to include copies of every letter, every email, as well as a written review of every verbal exchange they have with the employee under fire. That book is used to present the case to the central level administration and if that level gives the principal permission, at the end of the year performance review conference the principal notifies the teacher that they will not have their contract renewed. There is nothing to ensure that the content the principals place in those books is true, the "word" of the principal is accepted as gospel by their fellow administrators at the central level. I know for a fact that many principals include falsehoods in "the book", I've witnessed verbal conferences in which a teacher wanted a witness and read the written "review" when it arrived....wondered if I had been in an entirely different conference, it was so different from what I witnessed.

In this case, though, I think they are dealing with a state in which the unions have too much power, or perhaps there aren't enough "fail-safe" steps in the process by which teachers are dismissed.

I do know that here in TX the only thing that collective bargaining ensures any teacher being considered for dismissal is a conference with the school board, if they request it. I've seen school boards abandon the principal's recommendation when they realized that the recommendation for non-renewal was not warranted, and I have seen them uphold the recommendation. It depends on the details of each case. In one case, the "culprit" was a clerical level worker in a central office who called a beligerent student worker an unkind term. Too bad the student worker was a favorite of the associate superintendent. The "culprit" also had a history of being found asleep at his post, though, so the department had enough "cause" that the board upheld the recommendation. If all he had done was make the mistake of calling a belligerent student worker a "prik" [sic], he would probably have gotten the recommendation overturned.

The board is the end of the line here in TX, though. That party was welcome to file an "unjustified dismissal" lawsuit if he wanted, but he was still "fired" during the interim time that would pass between the filing and the decision. It sounds like N.Y. state has a much more conservative approach, and that the review process takes WAAAAAY too long.

I've also seen an "unpopular" superintendent of schools have his desk moved by order of the school board into the small room in which the photocopy machine is located, and he had NO duties other than to sit in that chair. He negotiated a "buy-out" of his contract very quickly rather than endure the indignities of having to sit in that copier room.

What would be wrong with allowing teachers to "negotiate" an end to their contracts in the "rubber room" situation described in this article? It sounds like the union and the school district are more interested in "quashing" the other in the hearing process.

Cheers from Doug!!

 

[Doug S.]

Deleted....double post.

Doug

 

[Nick]

I do find it funny that most of you are all gravitating towards teachers and not the unions as a whole. It's really a pathetic attempt to get the sympathy vote.

Priceless

 

[Doug S.]

Priceless

Nick, I am reminded of a saying my mother often used: "No man is totally worthless, they can always serve as a bad example".

I think that describes our friend Damian to a T!!

Cheers from Doug!!

 

[Nick]

Nick, I am reminded of a saying my mother often used: "No man is totally worthless, they can always serve as a bad example".

I think that describes our friend Damian to a T!!

Cheers from Doug!!

Doug,

Bit harsh, misguided perhaps, but then I was never a teacher, as I have never understood or known a subject well enough to teach it!!!.

But being a wishy washy, tree hugging, turn the other cheek, liberal (allegedly) there is always my hope that the black sheep and the prodigal sons may one day return from the dark side. :thumbsup:

 

[Jim Craik]

I do find it funny that most of you are all gravitating towards teachers and not the unions as a whole. It's really a pathetic attempt to get the sympathy vote. How about we deal with the unions as a whole and not just one specific group that would PLAY TO THE PUBLIC.<!-- google_ad_section_end -->

Part of a post by Damian

Damian,

I have said over and over and over (go back and look) if Walker was going after all the unions, we would not be having this discussion.

I asked over and over why is he only going after the teachers and not the other unions. I asked why is he not being fare? You backed Walker!

Damian, why are you now agreeing with me, when before you blamed the teaches union for all our problems?

Damian, your above quote says: "It's really a pathetic attempt to get the sympathy vote".

"sympathy vote"? You guys attacked the teachers, (Damian still is) you called them over paid and over priveleged! Now you are trying to re-write history. You all attacked the teachers and will pay!

This whole thing was not about unions, this was about unions that contribute to Democrats.

Walker did not go after all the unions because he only wanted to bust the liberal unions and you agreed with him! He and his Republican friends will pay the price!

Now that all this has become obvious and the people have spoken, you, Walker and his brown shirts are trying to change history, IT WON'T WORK!

Damian have you told your teacher friends (if you really have any) that you have such contempt for them? You should tell them you said this (Those that can do, and those that can't teach)? Please tell us about their reaction.

Damian, have you found any "over privileged teachers with GT40s"? Or do we need to lump you in with all the other less than truthful Concervatives?

 

[Doug S.]

Damian have you told your teacher friends (if you really have any) that you have such contempt for them?

Jim, in Damian's defense, I have never heard him claim to have any friends at all, much less have teacher friends :shocked: . In fact, I have heard from unreliable sources (probably Republicans) that he even had a hand in helping John Prine compose the first verse of this song (you know, you just can't trust an old Republican hippie):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2ccC4aULow

........wonder why, he's such a kind, compassionate person....... :idea:.......oh, yeah, now I get it.

Cheers from Doug!!