Republicans, what is wrong with you?

[Jim Craik]

I hold teachers in the highest regard and even have SEVERAL friends that are in the profession.

Posted by Damian

Doug, in Damians defence (that sounds odd), he did post the above comment.

 

[Doug S.]

Posted by Damian

Doug, in Damians defence (that sounds odd), he did post the above comment.

My most sincere apologies, Jim! I must have missed that one after I put him on my "Ignore" list (the only other member on my "Ignore" list is REVILO....does anyone else remember him???).

Well, I'd surmise that when the word gets out about Damian's comments on here, he'll probably lose "SEVERAL" of those teacher friends. I'd like to be a fly on the wall when they :furious: him out!!!!
Cheers, Jim, for pointing out his previous statement (or, was that just a lie, too....it's hard to believe anything he says!)

Doug!

 

[Ian K]

See, my wife is a teacher, and I have many friends who are as well.

The problem with the US education system does not solely rest upon the shoulders of the teachers. When do you start to (or perhaps should have been all along) hold the following accountable?

Principals
School Boards
Superintendents and other administrators
Parents
Students

I assure you, if a teacher is not getting good results, it is not universally and always the teacher's fault. I have seen children in the same classroom with the same teacher and the same subject matter produce wildly diverging results.

Ian

 

[Chris P.]

See, my wife is a teacher, and I have many friends who are as well.

The problem with the US education system does not solely rest upon the shoulders of the teachers. When do you start to (or perhaps should have been all along) hold the following accountable?

Principals
School Boards
Superintendents and other administrators
Parents
Students

I assure you, if a teacher is not getting good results, it is not universally and always the teacher's fault. I have seen children in the same classroom with the same teacher and the same subject matter produce wildly diverging results.

Ian

That's so true Ian. I'm sure we have all had teachers that were so atrocious it's a freakin mystery how they ever even got the job to begin with let alone hold onto it. Then you get a teacher the very next year that completely turns you around and you end up in a career based on a subject that those previous teachers taught you to hate.:furious: It makes me feel cheated. But like you alluded to - is the blame solely on the teachers themselves or is it also on the system that put them there and kept them there? I believe the latter and think most will agree. This idea about rewarding teachers based on performance seems dangerous. We could see a drop in overall performance across the board as teachers find ways to make themselves look better at the expense of the students. But what do you expect? There's only so much they as teachers can do with someone else's children and they have their own livelihoods to look after.

Grrrrrr.

 

[Doug S.]

More fun and games foisted on the American Public by the Republicans (or, more in line with the topic at hand, more of what's wrong with the Republicans):

"WASHINGTON (AP) — The House has voted to end federal funding to National Public Radio. Republican supporters say it made good fiscal sense, and Democratic opponents calling it an ideological attack that would deprive local stations of access to programs such as "Car Talk" and "All Things Considered."

The bill, passed along partisan lines, bars federal funding of NPR and prohibits local public stations from using federal money to pay NPR dues and buy its programs. The prospects of support in the Senate are slim.

Bill sponsor Republican Doug Lamborn of Colorado, said that, with the current budgetary crisis, it was time for NPR to stand on its own. But the White House, in opposing the bill, said it could force some local stations that rely on NPR programs to shut down."

Fortunately, it appears that there are "cooler heads" in the Senate.

If the Republicans were really interested in journalistic fairness, they would now engineer some form of legislation that would silence the Fox News(?) Network, too.

I wouldn't hold my breath....like Jim says, it's all a power grab by the Republicans, who realize the tide has turned again and are desperate to do anything just to keep from losing the hard-fought gains they made in the mid-term elections.

It's their own fault for misinterpreting the intent of the voters, just as Bee-OH misinterpreted the intent of the voters when he was elected POTUS. We just want the legislative and executive branches to do their job, run the country as best they can without all this radical posturing, and quit all this petty squabling between the parties.

Cheers from Doug!!

 

[Ian K]

That's so true Ian. I'm sure we have all had teachers that were so atrocious it's a freakin mystery how they ever even got the job to begin with let alone hold onto it. Then you get a teacher the very next year that completely turns you around and you end up in a career based on a subject that those previous teachers taught you to hate.:furious: It makes me feel cheated. But like you alluded to - is the blame solely on the teachers themselves or is it also on the system that put them there and kept them there? I believe the latter and think most will agree. This idea about rewarding teachers based on performance seems dangerous. We could see a drop in overall performance across the board as teachers find ways to make themselves look better at the expense of the students. But what do you expect? There's only so much they as teachers can do with someone else's children and they have their own livelihoods to look after.

Grrrrrr.

The reality is that most if not all teachers from pre-K to high school (and, to a lessor degree, beyond) start off down that career path with the best intentions. That is not to say that some of them really do not have what it takes, but even good teachers can come off bad as a result of the administration that "supports" them, as well as students and parents who just don't care, or, do not have the time.

One thing that has caused education in the US to falter, in all honesty, is the rise in two income households. Parents have less time to devote to their children even if they want to. And, really, school hours give the students the basic tools that need reinforcement and further development at home. BUt, as many surveys have shown, it's the time at home that has been dropping considerably.

Then you look at the various school budgets and take into account how much money administration swallows up and wonder how things can be streamlined so that more money winds up in the classrooms.

Finally, you look at how the curriculum has changed. How many schools are dumping PE, art, music, etc. so that standards testing scores rise (which is completely ridiculous regardless since brain development and learning is assisted when both sides of the brain as well as the body are exercised). It saddens me to see that my children do not have the same opportunities I had in grammar school. I only hope that my wife and I can fill the void, which is now solely our responsibility.

Ian

 

[Chris P.]

I am also appalled at the curriculum cuts schools are making, as are most people, I think. My wife is seriously thinking about home schooling. Luckily for us, this financially won't be as big a deal as it would for others since we are not the type of people who are constantly watching the "Joneses" of the neighborhood. Sure, with one paycheck coming in we won't be able to by a bigger house or have new shiny cars, but our kids come first. It's really sad to think of the benign, uninspiring education kids will be getting when you look at what it could and should be.

 

[Tom P]

More fun and games foisted on the American Public by the Republicans (or, more in line with the topic at hand, more of what's wrong with the Republicans):

"WASHINGTON (AP) — The House has voted to end federal funding to National Public Radio. Republican supporters say it made good fiscal sense, and Democratic opponents calling it an ideological attack that would deprive local stations of access to programs such as "Car Talk" and "All Things Considered."

The bill, passed along partisan lines, bars federal funding of NPR and prohibits local public stations from using federal money to pay NPR dues and buy its programs. The prospects of support in the Senate are slim.

Bill sponsor Republican Doug Lamborn of Colorado, said that, with the current budgetary crisis, it was time for NPR to stand on its own. But the White House, in opposing the bill, said it could force some local stations that rely on NPR programs to shut down."

Fortunately, it appears that there are "cooler heads" in the Senate.

If the Republicans were really interested in journalistic fairness, they would now engineer some form of legislation that would silence the Fox News(?) Network, too.

I wouldn't hold my breath....like Jim says, it's all a power grab by the Republicans, who realize the tide has turned again and are desperate to do anything just to keep from losing the hard-fought gains they made in the mid-term elections.

It's their own fault for misinterpreting the intent of the voters, just as Bee-OH misinterpreted the intent of the voters when he was elected POTUS. We just want the legislative and executive branches to do their job, run the country as best they can without all this radical posturing, and quit all this petty squabling between the parties.

Cheers from Doug!!

Doug, I really fail to see why NPR can't sell advertising and be self sufficient. What is the government doing supporting a radio station? They have no business in public radio or tv. It's National Public Radio and should be funded by public means, not by the government.

If the Republicans were really interested in journalistic fairness, they would now engineer some form of legislation that would silence the Fox News(?) Network, too.

ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, NPR, are all left leaning news stations. Why do you have a problem with an opposing view? Your statement to silence could be construed as taking away freedom of speech. Is that what you want? I hope not. Right after that they start hauling people off to re-education camps. I listen to Chris Mathews and seriously wonder if anything is filtered through his brain before it exits his mouth, but I would never consider silencing him.

 

[Jim Craik]

Tom,

Your view of the world is so distorted that you think if a new service is not radical right then it is "left leaning".

 

[Tom P]

Tom,

Your view of the world is so distorted that you think if a new service is not radical right then it is "left leaning".

And you are blind. Is that all you got out of what I said?

 

[Jim Craik]

Yes Tom, that's about it.

You may not have been around long enough to know when Doug is being ironic

 

[Tom P]

Yes Tom, that's about it.

You may not have been around long enough to know when Doug is being ironic

I see, Doug needs you to translate!

 

[domtoni]

Yawn Back to watching paint dry. Its far more fun than entering this discussion. Go Tom P.

By the way, one democratic congressman failed with a resolution that would strip federal ads being placed on Fox News. Strange that Sky News in the UK (also owned by Ruppert Murdoch) is considered unbiased, and the Wall Street Journal is kick the NYT's butt in sales with the addition of its New York supplement.

I wouldn't have any problem with funding NPR/PBS if it offered both points of view. However I don't think its fair to the tax payer that he should pay to be told how to think.

 

[Nick]

Strange that Sky News in the UK (also owned by Ruppert Murdoch) is considered unbiased.

Quick straw poll of work colleagues gave a different opinion, (to be fair any news group was considered biased to some extent).

 

[domtoni]

The comment on Sky was re something I heard on a radio broadcast here in the UK. And I only listen to BBC Radio. But even if your work colleagues disagree with my statement, no one will call Sky a deceitful organization.

 

[Damian]

O.K. so since some have tired to insinuate that I have a deal with the devil :devil:I will sample say that IF THAT WERE THE CASE THAN YOU ARE THE DUMBEST MOFO ON THE PLANET!!! Point being if the previous were true than you are not only showing your A$$ to me but to the devil and will you all know where his pitch fork is going to go right?

Now a little history about my name since some on here seem to be developing a man crush ( hey I don't get down like that but thanks all the same :heart: ). It has it's origin in Greek mythology and stands for undaunted friendship and for you Catholics there is St.Damian who worked with the lepers. Also notice the A after the I which is placed there for Angel and not an e for evil. Once again some on here show just how clouded their views are.

Now this whole thing got started because I called out all Democrats and not one individual but again since some on here have latent homosexual tendencies that they are having issues with I will say it's O.K. to come out of the closet. It's 2011 and we will all accept you.

Now as to my friends that are in the profession I will add that yes they are well aware of my feelings and respect me for it. They do not think the world is only black or white and are open to different views and welcome EDUCATED WELL THOUGHT OUT RETORTS BACKED IN FACT!! Have I changed some of their views YES; all NO. Heck one of my groomsmen is an elementary school teacher that just started this year and already HE HATES IT!!!!! It's not the kids but guess what THE UNION AND ADMINS which brings this whole soap box rant full circle.

Some have taken what I started (again you are all welcome for the increase in synapse firing that these threads have caused) and ran with it. Many facts have been posted to support both sides and through out most of this nonsense there is a heart felt debate going on and THAT WAS MY ORIGINAL INTENT. Sorry I had to goat some of you but I have learned that some on here live in lala land (as was evidenced by the current state of the GT40 thread. started out with unrealistic #'s and than I blow in and voilà reality and price drops all across the board. Heck even SHEIK brought his pricing in reality ; again you are all welcome).

Now I am sure that this will cause a lot of panties to go up many an arse (as my cousins across the pond say) and to that I say put an H on your chest and handle it!!!!
Like how I smash people without naming them. That's the difference between someone with class that was raised by REPUBLICANS and one that was raised by democrats. :shocked: :evil: :lipsrsealed: :laugh::thumbsup:

 

[Jim Craik]

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Posted by Damian.

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Damian, you just posted this:


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Posted by Damian.

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Damian, you made that statement, IS IT A FACT?

So Damian, this is all you are hearing?............ You hear nothing else?


(1) Damian, please tell us where are you hearing this?


(2)Please give us a few examples of OVER PRIVILEGED TEACHERS WITH GT40's<!-- google_ad_section_end -->

 

[Damian]

Of everything I posted this is what you are choosing as your angle of attack LOL REALLY? :thumbsup: You got me I was assuming (I know I should know better) that you (again whom I assumed was in the field) had one of many increadable cars that this place is about. Now having said that like you I have not ordered my SL-C yet as I am getting married may 14 and that has to take precedence to my hobby. Fran is well aware of my time frame as I have had SEVERAL conversations with him. My point being I joined this site as a way to gain knowledge on a car that I had interest in buying. Are you saying that at no point in the near future do you plan to buy any of these cars or that you are not now nor have EVER OWNED one of these? Again if that is not the case and you are just truly a fan of these vehicles than my hats off to you and you have found the ONE thing I was wrong about and for that I will apologize. If that's not the case than you have just pr oven (actually even if I'm wrong the fact will still remain the same) all of my points!!!! The only one that was pr oven wrong was about you personally and NOT ANY OF MY POLITICAL VIEWS!!!!!!!

 

[Jim Craik]

Very Strange.

 

[Jim Craik]

Wisconsin Judge Blocks Union Law


Friday, 18 Mar 2011 | 12:30 PM ET





A Wisconsin judge issued a temporary restraining order Friday blocking the state's new and contentious collective bargaining law from taking effect.


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</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>The law, which was passed by the Republican-controlled Legislature and signed by Republican Gov. Scott Walker last week, drew tens of thousands of protesters to the state Capitol and sent some Democrats fleeing to Illinois in an attempt to block a vote on it.​

The judge's order is a major setback for Walker and puts the future of the law in question.