should the GT40 clubs amalgamate again poll
- Thread starter Chris Melia
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Where's the poll? I think a discussion such as this should be by the formal poll options as opposed to postings per se. Perhaps the poll could be requested for members of the two clubs only so that the information is actually useful to both committees as opposed to what someone in Outer Mongolia thinks would be a nice idea but in fact means nothing to them at all?
Also perhaps each club should be allowed to do one promotional posting so that the differences in what the clubs offer can be seen and that then people would recognise that the two clubs, both excellent as they are, do offer different approaches to ownership and club benefits. That way the other side of the coin to amalgamation ie keeping independant of each other but working together on some things gets a proper chance too.
Mind you both clubs have the same problem in that things are suggested and then it is the same regular guys who end up doing the work for very little thanks. So bear in mind the consequences of your vote/opinion here! Are you prepared to put your money where your mouth is?
Also perhaps each club should be allowed to do one promotional posting so that the differences in what the clubs offer can be seen and that then people would recognise that the two clubs, both excellent as they are, do offer different approaches to ownership and club benefits. That way the other side of the coin to amalgamation ie keeping independant of each other but working together on some things gets a proper chance too.
Mind you both clubs have the same problem in that things are suggested and then it is the same regular guys who end up doing the work for very little thanks. So bear in mind the consequences of your vote/opinion here! Are you prepared to put your money where your mouth is?
Brett James-McCall
Moderator
Malcolm said:
Really Malc? I've never seen that happen... no really I haven't...
Brett
Hi Malcolm
this poll is open to Forum members as they are all interested in GT40's and may be willing to join an amalgamated club in preference to one being competition oriented and one being socially oriented.
What's wrong with one club that can be both competition and socially oriented and pool the resources and people of both?
I think that this poll will at least give members a chance to air their personal views and will provide figures as a starting point for discussion at the AGM's of both clubs.
regards
Chris.
this poll is open to Forum members as they are all interested in GT40's and may be willing to join an amalgamated club in preference to one being competition oriented and one being socially oriented.
What's wrong with one club that can be both competition and socially oriented and pool the resources and people of both?
I think that this poll will at least give members a chance to air their personal views and will provide figures as a starting point for discussion at the AGM's of both clubs.
regards
Chris.
David Morton
Lifetime Supporter
It's got to happen sooner or later. When it does I will rejoin. Not that me refraining from being in either club has any meaning to anybody but when it happens I'll pay up.
Hell, it's almost for free anyway - only about £0.60 per week ($1.00) - each of my three daughters spend more of my dosh than that ,every hour of every day on total trivia.
Hell, it's almost for free anyway - only about £0.60 per week ($1.00) - each of my three daughters spend more of my dosh than that ,every hour of every day on total trivia.
Hi Ron
in the early days of the GT40 Replica club we enjoyed all makes of GT40's (KVA, High Tech, Tornado, Hare, Dax and GTD ect). Ray Christopher was even on the committee.
At the time a group of GTD guys within the club felt that they wanted to separate and form a one make club, and its fair to say that at the time the more finished and competitive cars were GTD's.
This is no longer the case and although the GTD club accepts all makes now, this was not the case in the early days.
regards
Chris.
in the early days of the GT40 Replica club we enjoyed all makes of GT40's (KVA, High Tech, Tornado, Hare, Dax and GTD ect). Ray Christopher was even on the committee.
At the time a group of GTD guys within the club felt that they wanted to separate and form a one make club, and its fair to say that at the time the more finished and competitive cars were GTD's.
This is no longer the case and although the GTD club accepts all makes now, this was not the case in the early days.
regards
Chris.
Chris Melia said:
Nothing wrong with that at all but it is easy for someone outside the UK club community to queer the results by voting without really being bothered what effects this poll may have. If the poll is a targeted one then the results may carry more weight. Which I think is what is wanted here. Where there are respondents such as David Morton, whose view is as valid as the next guys whether you agree with him or not, his comment via a post should be useful to both committees.
Anyway too late to change things as the poll is up and running, I must have scrolled down too quickly to read your first post to see it.
As someone who was at that meeting and ended up being on the founding committee of the GTD Club I would beg to differ on the grounds stated above leading to the GT40 ROC split but in reality I think that nasty day of club politics is best left dead and buried. It shouldn't be used to cloud the discussion today.
Moving on....
Nowadays each club does provide a different product with some overlap. Supply and demand dictates what each club does whilst being guided by the willingness of each clubs committee membership to actually get off their butt and organise something. That is why the GTD club began its orgainised competition. I wanted to go Hill Climbing and Sprinting preferrably as a group, no one else was orgainising things for a group so I orgainised it and I did it the way I wanted to do it!
I used to be catagorically against the two clubs joining back together but my reasons for that, I doubt, would hold water now. But both clubs are good at what they do now (however much hard work it is for the committees) and both provide value if you join the club right for you. The cars themselves have zero to do with this. Clubs are people and like minded people form clubs to do the things they like doing. If two groups of people do differnet things then two clubs is good. If two groups of people enjoy doing the same thing then there is scope for a single club. But it is the people who have to do things and not sit on the sidelines and just say it would be better this way or that way. To everyone who enjoys being part of a club, be involved!
First I would like to confirm that both clubs and their members have a great credibility overhere in Belgium eventough they have their respective specialities.
I also agree with Malcom that the success it is what the members are making out of it whilst actively participating.
I will not judge neighter try a second time, but like our Belgian slogan says "L'Union fait la Force",intergating may create synergies of active members...but who are the Belgians anyhow on this matter since it is to my understanding a country specific debate.
Whatever is decided, please continue to offer great value to GT40 owners in the world.
Fred
I also agree with Malcom that the success it is what the members are making out of it whilst actively participating.
I will not judge neighter try a second time, but like our Belgian slogan says "L'Union fait la Force",intergating may create synergies of active members...but who are the Belgians anyhow on this matter since it is to my understanding a country specific debate.
Whatever is decided, please continue to offer great value to GT40 owners in the world.
Fred
seriously thinking to join EVERYTHING about gt40.
After le mans i am now "integralist" about the 40s.
just let me know
)
Paolo-nut
After le mans i am now "integralist" about the 40s.
just let me know
)Paolo-nut
Surely the place to raise this first is with the members of both clubs. It is they who should express their views to their committees and it is then for the Chairmen and committees to implement the majority view of their members.
To do that of course, you need committees who are committed to a merger, and when I was involved with the Enthusiasts Club as Secretary and Chairman over a number of years, that certainly wasn't the case. In fact we considered it on numerous occasions and rejected theidea, just like the GTD committee have.
There are democratic mechanisms for raising this issue within the clubs, not least by raising it with the Committee or asking for it to be a discussion item at the AGM.
In my opinion, a poll such as this, which does not distinquish between the views of members, and those of Non members ( who might be potential members) is useless.
To do that of course, you need committees who are committed to a merger, and when I was involved with the Enthusiasts Club as Secretary and Chairman over a number of years, that certainly wasn't the case. In fact we considered it on numerous occasions and rejected theidea, just like the GTD committee have.
There are democratic mechanisms for raising this issue within the clubs, not least by raising it with the Committee or asking for it to be a discussion item at the AGM.
In my opinion, a poll such as this, which does not distinquish between the views of members, and those of Non members ( who might be potential members) is useless.
