very informative

Larry L.

Lifetime Supporter
Spell check was added to this forum a while ago.

It was?

Seriously, I haven't seen it at work on any of my posts. And, trust me when I tell you, as the 'world's worst' speller (and as a dyslexic), that puppy would be working overtime editing mine! So, I thin' I'd know if it was happening!

I just went on a hunt for it in the 'icons' shown on the control bar ^above^ ("sizes","colors", "smiles", etc.). 'Tain't there. Darned if I know where else to look...

One thing I know for sure, though, is it isn't "automatic" on my 'peuter'!:sad:
 

Doug S.

The protoplasm may be 72, but the spirit is 32!
Lifetime Supporter
I've never seen the function on this forum...

Doug
 

Steve

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Steve,

Give us an example, an acatual case of a person getting a free ride. Not "stories" from the right wing media, but a real example of someone who qualifies, why they qualified and what the "free ride" includes.


I saw a patient Friday who has 3 children. They are all out of wedlock. She is on Medicaid and has foodstamps (possibly other govt programs too but I'm not sure). She has a new iphone 6, a Prada purse and drives a Porsche (unless the keychain is fake). How does she afford these items if she's poor? She didn't marry the father of her last child but lives with him and he's fairly well off. They can afford health insurance and food for the 3 kids and her but why marry and give up the "free ride"

My last patient of the day on Thursday is "disabled". He's 42 and was laid off from his framing job in 2008 or 2009 when the housing market crashed. The state of MN (and many other states employ the same tactic) paid an agency to do all of the paper work to qualify him for social security disability due to his back pain. He has, after all, "degenerative disc disease". For those of you who've heard this term, it is a normal aging process where the discs in the back dry out. It is not a disease and has no correlation with back pain. The fact the gentleman is 5'10" and 360 does have a correlation with back pain. He is now on SSI and he gets Medicare. It's a great deal because now he's paid nearly as much as he made as a framer but he now has no worries since he's also on Medicare for the rest of his life. Furthermore, he can do odd jobs on the side for cash under the table (not reported as income) and for 10-15 hours a week he actually makes more than he did when he worked as a framer. Clearly he's not actually disabled and while the work on the side is fraud, his qualifications for SSI and Medicare are legit. Another "free ride"

Wish I could say these are exceptions but 9 out of 10 patients I have under 65 who're "disabled" are perfectly capable of working many jobs. There's not much incentive to pursue it when there's a "free ride"

How's that Jimmy? It's not from Fox News.
 

Larry L.

Lifetime Supporter
I saw a patient Friday who has 3 children. They are all out of wedlock. She is on Medicaid and has foodstamps (possibly other govt programs too but I'm not sure). She has a new iphone 6, a Prada purse and drives a Porsche (unless the keychain is fake). How does she afford these items if she's poor? She didn't marry the father of her last child but lives with him and he's fairly well off. They can afford health insurance and food for the 3 kids and her but why marry and give up the "free ride"

My last patient of the day on Thursday is "disabled". He's 42 and was laid off from his framing job in 2008 or 2009 when the housing market crashed. The state of MN (and many other states employ the same tactic) paid an agency to do all of the paper work to qualify him for social security disability due to his back pain. He has, after all, "degenerative disc disease". For those of you who've heard this term, it is a normal aging process where the discs in the back dry out. It is not a disease and has no correlation with back pain. The fact the gentleman is 5'10" and 360 does have a correlation with back pain. He is now on SSI and he gets Medicare. It's a great deal because now he's paid nearly as much as he made as a framer but he now has no worries since he's also on Medicare for the rest of his life. Furthermore, he can do odd jobs on the side for cash under the table (not reported as income) and for 10-15 hours a week he actually makes more than he did when he worked as a framer. Clearly he's not actually disabled and while the work on the side is fraud, his qualifications for SSI and Medicare are legit. Another "free ride"

Wish I could say these are exceptions but 9 out of 10 patients I have under 65 who're "disabled" are perfectly capable of working many jobs. There's not much incentive to pursue it when there's a "free ride"

How's that Jimmy? It's not from Fox News.

...but FOX News would have reported what you said w/o selective editing/spin...not to mention IGNORING it completely.
 

Pete McCluskey.

Lifetime Supporter
There seems to be a universal problem in first world countries that arseholes take advantage of well meaning schemes, set up by well meaning people to take care of those unable to take care of themselves.
Steve I understand the ethical reasons why you treated her, but if you refused because she is an obvious free loader what would the ramifications be?
 

Steve

Supporter
It is illegal for me to not see patients on Medicaid in the state of Minnesota. This is in spite of the fact the payment for services is well below our costs. As long as she pays the $1 that she owes me then technically she's not freeloading from me.

So, in short, if I refused to see these patients and the attorney general of our state caught wind of it there'd potentially be jail time.
 

Pete McCluskey.

Lifetime Supporter
It is illegal for me to not see patients on Medicaid in the state of Minnesota. This is in spite of the fact the payment for services is well below our costs. As long as she pays the $1 that she owes me then technically she's not freeloading from me.

So, in short, if I refused to see these patients and the attorney general of our state caught wind of it there'd potentially be jail time.

That sucks, it's the same over here, I wasn't sure of the American laws. Why is it that I feel the legislators are always passing laws that regulate the wrong people.
 
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