Battlecry..!!!!!

Wait...so you're saying you'll give me $300k and your SL-C? ;)

Sorry Alex, despite your enthusiasm, your skills aren't anywhere on par with Chip Foose or Troy Trepanier...ask me how I know ;)


If it rolls down the driveway without catching on fire I'd say it's been a rousing success ... that's my skill level at work right there :D
 
anyone have pictures or know what color the Semper Fi Superlite Eagle is? I though I would ask as I feel that we may be wearing the same dress to the prom.

RM
 
PDG stepped up there game and hired a new manager..

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Dusty

GT40s Supporter
I'll throw in my two wooden nickels. There's a reason the GTM kit is only 20 some grand, and Fran's is around 40k for the deluxe. I went and almost bought a "80%" complete GTM up in WA, and the kit needed much work to say it modestly. It wasn't even near 80%. The kit did have some decent six pot Wilwoods fr and rear, but had chinese Gen V Z06 wheels and ultra crap tires, like not even a brand name. Body wasn't aligned, need a thorough sanding to get rid of the molding edges, paint, CV axles were rusted it had been sitting so long, tube steel frame, etc.

Fran gives you a car with essentially a paint job, aligned body, pushrod suspension with quality QA1 stuff. Aluminum frame, radiators, he helps you find a motor, transaxle, has the hook ups, and overall I think the SL-C is better engineered. You get many parts from him on the car you would otherwise have to scavange from a C5/C6 for the GTM.

The final build on a FFR is a calculated 350+ hours, and Fran's stuff is a theoretical 200. At a $100 per hour labor charge at any shop that would come out to $15,000 plus the parts, so Fran's car is an equal if not better buy.

Support from RCR is much better. I've emailed and called FFR and they are slow to get back, where Fran can almost always spare a minute.
 
I'll throw in my two wooden nickels. There's a reason the GTM kit is only 20 some grand, and Fran's is around 40k for the deluxe. I went and almost bought a "80%" complete GTM up in WA, and the kit needed much work to say it modestly. It wasn't even near 80%. The kit did have some decent six pot Wilwoods fr and rear, but had chinese Gen V Z06 wheels and ultra crap tires, like not even a brand name. Body wasn't aligned, need a thorough sanding to get rid of the molding edges, paint, CV axles were rusted it had been sitting so long, tube steel frame, etc.

Fran gives you a car with essentially a paint job, aligned body, pushrod suspension with quality QA1 stuff. Aluminum frame, radiators, he helps you find a motor, transaxle, has the hook ups, and overall I think the SL-C is better engineered. You get many parts from him on the car you would otherwise have to scavange from a C5/C6 for the GTM.


The final build on a FFR is a calculated 350+ hours, and Fran's stuff is a theoretical 200. At a $100 per hour labor charge at any shop that would come out to $15,000 plus the parts, so Fran's car is an equal if not better buy.

Support from RCR is much better. I've emailed and called FFR and they are slow to get back, where Fran can almost always spare a minute.

A second this. The GTM is a nightmare to build. It is a zombie bastard of a managled GT40 kit/Cobra/Corvette, shoddy might I add. Thankfully I saw the light of RCR after being breath taken by an SL-C.

Hey Fran, you go to mention RCR's design is superior to that of an in shop Saleen S7. Could you elaborate on that statement (chassis, suspension, etc.)?
 
The S7 leaves a lot to be desired in the complete car packaging department...

The ability to replace and repair components without removing half the car...such as having to take the intake off to replace the Alternator...or remove the whole interior to remove the engine...no kidding!!!!

The Carbon layup is nice and light but the printthrough on the paint is not acceptable....doors cannot be adjusted...we had to shim the body out to the door to get a nice fit...this required removing the complete floor and undertray...

These are just from memory...I am sure there are many many more..

The S7 has very dramatic styling but is a very thinly veiled race car with poor ergonomics all around....at present still the pinnacle of an American Production Supercar....but not for long...wink.
 
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Dusty

GT40s Supporter
I did visit the FFR website, apparently they have cleaned up their act. They claim easier to build, cheaper wheels, and they now offer a GMPP kit instead of looking for a salavge C5Z for the Gen II GTM. I'm still not convinced. Plus they put in analog gauges. I like Fran's choice of digidash. One single unit that takes care of it all, or most of it. Overall the 962 is a real car, plus I fell in love with the GTP look where the cockpit does not span the entire width of the car.
 
I did visit the FFR website, apparently they have cleaned up their act. They claim easier to build, cheaper wheels, and they now offer a GMPP kit instead of looking for a salavge C5Z for the Gen II GTM.

Easier to build is probable, cheaper wheels is definite, GMPP kit is wishful thinking. It doesn't exist. That said, for some people the GTM will be the right way to go. For others it will be the SL-C.
 
Dusty,
I'm really looking forward to your car coming along. I hope you will treat us to some pictures as it evolves through RCR. I had a long wait for my car because it was the first SLC...I'm not a good wait-er, but that's what I get for being the first kid on the block to order one :) Since 962 chassis is a modification of the SLC chassis, looks like yours will be moving along quickly! I'm really interested in how large the engine compartment will be as the firewall should be way farther forward compared to the SLC. That V12 should fit with no length issues at all. The RCR offerings just keep getting better.....drool.
 
FF really have enabled many to realise their boyhood/girlhood dreams to own a Cobra, Daytona etc etc ....they enabled sweat equity to bring people into these cars for way less than was ever possible...thats quite a great thing really...I applaud them for many of the things they have done for the hobby...(but not everything...wink)
 
The S7 leaves a lot to be desired in the complete car packaging department...

The ability to replace and repair components without removing half the car...such as having to take the intake off to replace the Alternator...or remove the whole interior to remove the engine...no kidding!!!!

The Carbon layup is nice and light but the printthrough on the paint is not acceptable....doors cannot be adjusted...we had to shim the body out to the door to get a nice fit...this required removing the complete floor and undertray...

These are just from memory...I am sure there are many many more..

The S7 has very dramatic styling but is a very thinly veiled race car with poor ergonomics all around....at present still the pinnacle of an American Production Supercar....but not for long...wink.

Fran, your response time was the antithesis of sluggish. What the hell was Saleen thinking?! I am glad your build shares litte in common. Knowing your vision, I assume general maintenance on an SL-C is very practical. I'd like to remove an oil filter without first needing disassemble the whole damn suspension...
 
Dusty,
I'm really interested in how large the engine compartment will be as the firewall should be way farther forward compared to the SLC. That V12 should fit with no length issues at all.

I have been mulling over idea of throwing in a procharged LSx with 180 degree (cross-over) headers. Seems practial, cheap, light, with a great exhaust note to boot.
 
The S7 leaves a lot to be desired in the complete car packaging department...

The ability to replace and repair components without removing half the car...such as having to take the intake off to replace the Alternator...or remove the whole interior to remove the engine...no kidding!!!!

The Carbon layup is nice and light but the printthrough on the paint is not acceptable....doors cannot be adjusted...we had to shim the body out to the door to get a nice fit...this required removing the complete floor and undertray...

These are just from memory...I am sure there are many many more..

The S7 has very dramatic styling but is a very thinly veiled race car with poor ergonomics all around....at present still the pinnacle of an American Production Supercar....but not for long...wink.

I'll add a little to this. The S7 is a great looking car and I have never seen another car draw the same attention. My friend has 2, one an early NA version and a later one that is a twin turbo.

When he got the NA one, the paint was so thin that the carbon fiber was showing through and it immediately had to be sent back to Saleen to be repainted.

He then dyno'd his 580HP S7 and it put down the same horsepower number at the rear wheels as the stock 450hp rated Gen 2 Vipers that we were dyno'ing. He had paid the $30K upgrade from the standard 550HP rating to get the 580HP motor. It had to be sent back to Saleen to find the missing horsepower. I don't know if they ever did.

We then took it on a 3 day run. Accidentally spilled a little gas filling it up and the black paint around the filler nozzle washed off.

We then entered our cars in a car show and he put it into reverse to back up a hill we were staging on and popped the clutch a little and tore the transmission up. We had to call a flatbed truck to come pick it up and haul it back to Saleen.

We never weighed it, but I am also skeptical about the claimed 2750lb weight. Its a pretty big car with a pretty heavy looking engine in it.

It's like being married to a supermodel. Looks great sitting there, but darn hard to live with! I'd still love to have one though.
 
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