F1 in 2011

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Graham

What I find interesting is that if the incident was between two other drivers, then I don't believe that a penalty would have been handed out. I'm genuinely not being partisan here. I've watched the incident over and over, and for me it is a racing incident. Massa was slow through the corner, Hamilton tried to get out of the way, misjudged the point at which to feed in behind Massa and clipped his rear wheel, losing most of his front wing in the process.

However, Hamilton needs to ditch Simon Fuller and get a management company that care as much about the sport that their client is involved in as they do in promoting a rockstar image....
 
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Keith

Moderator
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What I find interesting is that if the incident was between two other drivers, then I don't believe that a penalty would have been handed out. I'm genuinely not being partisan here. I've watched the incident over and over, and for me it is a racing incident. Massa was slow through the corner, Hamilton tried to get out of the way, misjudged the point at which to feed in behind Massa and clipped his rear wheel, losing most of his front wing in the process.

However, Hamilton needs to ditch Simon Fuller and get a management company that care as much about the sport that their client is involved in as they do in promoting a rockstar image....
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So where was Schumachers penalty then?

Where was Rosberg's penalty then?

I do agree he (Hamilton) is suffering from 'infamy'

And that Simon Fuller is a complete wanker.

They couldn't even be bothered to attend the race.. :veryangry:
 
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Mark

There comes a point where any driver ought to know that you can't simply turn in if there is something in the way. LH is always on the limit, that's what I like about him, but frankly, he needs to calm down.

Interesting parellels in other 'celebrity' industries. So many people swap management/company/contracts etc etc as soon as they become successful, then go on to get steadily less successful. One of the dangers of beliveing your own press I think. That and surrounding yourself with sycophants.
 
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Keith

Moderator
So if a 7 times World Champion makes a mistake 10 times worse in a straight line as per Webbers on Kova whatever his unspellable name is, and gets no penalty or even reprimand, does he need to calm down too or is that OK?

By any standards, Schumachers 'accident' was entirely rookie and thus careless.



The consistency of applying penalties this season has been simply appalling.
 
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Mark

You are right Keith. But you don't get the same penalty for speeding in Wales as you do in Bathgate.

The driver's representitive was introduced to level out penalties and supposedly make them more comparable across the various races. Seems that doesn't work really? But hey, who's best buddies with whom is always going to play a part, like it or not.

It's the old, "if your face don't fit" syndrome and Lewis attracts too much attention at the moment.

I had a job like that once. Always bollocked for stuff, even for the things I didn't do. The only way that changed was by committing less f*ck-ups that were my fault and breaking the cycle.

I am a big LH supporter BTW.
 
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Mark

Don't get me started on the Shoe Maker bloke Keith. He fights dirty, always did, always will. Getting away with murder? Sure he is. That's how it works in dem dare circles. He sells tickets.
 
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Mark

Just a thought...

Ignoring Webber/Kovaleinen for a minute, I wonder if alot of the schoolboy errors, running up another cars arse are caused by KERS? In other formula, performance is pretty similar. Does jumping on the old KERS button throw off some drivers, producing such a dramtic speed differential coming off the turns that the drivers are failing to react quickly enough to avoid ramming the car in front?

Whatever the cause, it is pretty Lame.
 
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Mike Pass

Supporter
I think there is more of a problem with the "harvesting" aspect of KERS which happens in the braking zone. The KERS may or may not be harvesting and the brakes are braking. Both are acting at once and need a lot of coordination. Braking at the rate the an F1 car does is hard enough to modulate without the KERS doing it's variable thing as well. Brakes have to be eased off into a corner as the downforce drops off dramatically with the drop in speed even with the blown diffuser.
Judging the exact distance to the car in front whilst braking and turning hard with variable retardation is maybe be a bit tricky even for F1 drivers.
Cheers
Mike
 
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Paul Brameld

Keith1 said:
You're right of course, It's no good to anyone who doesn't understand the aero and it's probably no good for 1/2 the designers in F1 either!

What is needed is to look at other cars as well.. :)

But, these features I find interesting after a close look under a magnifying glass...

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Hi Keith,
The two end sections seem to be of a different material to the centre section.
You mention possible exhaust exit. If the 2 end sections are these exits, they seem too small in area. Maybe the exhaust is split and channelled to different sections of the diffuser for differing uses. But do not the rules not preclude this?
Interested to hear your thoughts?
Paul
 
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Keith

Moderator
Hey Paul, yes they do seem to be a bit small for exhaust, but they appear to be slightly discoloured grey as opposed to carbon black. It's the only part on that diffuser that has a non obvious function. However, the entire width seems to be a double layer so perhaps exhaust exits out all along there too but with a lot less velocity. Either way, Red Bull are still mighty cagey of anyone getting close to their rear end on the grid and still have that ridiculous human wall hiding it.

The floor actually looks quite conventional and the air is carefully channelled as you would expect. You would not be able to see the floor area as a casual observer so they would not bother trying to hide that.

There must be something of real interest there and I would guess if you could spot it as easily as simply stooping down, then we are looking right at it.

It's a shame, because we'll probably never know, and I am a complete sucker for this clever tech that gains them so much extra speed (over the competition).

BTW It would appear that Ian has won the pace car quiz. Well done mate, 10 forum points to you...
 
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Paul Brameld

Hi Keith,
The first thing that springs to my mind regarding the end "exhausts" are that due to the shape my first thought is that they are some sort of vortex generator. We used to have them on hang gliders 35 years ago! One can get quite an effect from such devices!
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Keith

Moderator
Paul B said:
Hi Keith,
The first thing that springs to my mind regarding the end "exhausts" are that due to the shape my first thought is that they are some sort of vortex generator. We used to have them on hang gliders 35 years ago! One can get quite an effect from such devices!
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That stuff is way out of my league, but as these things function as aircraft wings anyway, that's quite possible. I would be happier if I could see where the actual exhaust exits from!
 
Pete

Pete McCluskey.

Lifetime Supporter
A great drive from Button, Webber's DRS strangely mal-functioned and the Kid is
set for two in a row. Singapore slings are too sweet, but the local brew is good.
 
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William Quantrel

Pete said:
A great drive from Button, Webber's DRS strangely mal-functioned and the Kid is
set for two in a row. Singapore slings are too sweet, but the local brew is good.
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Did you manage to make it to Loy Chee for chicken rice?

Forgot to tell you to bring your own napkins. Singapore ain't got none.
 
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