A Real Government Shut Down . . . ?
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Jim Craik
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Its interesting that you would post this today.
This is from Blomberg News
More Good News on Obamacare, Just When Democrats Need It
By Joshua Greenhttps://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=joshuagreenApril 14, 2014
http://www.businessweek.com/printer...news-on-obamacare-just-when-democrats-need-it</DIV>
Today the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office released its latest Obamacare report card (pdf), and for supporters of the law, the news is good: CBO now projects that over 10 years the law will cover more people—25 million, up from 24 million—and cost a lot less—$104 billion less—than it had previously forecast.
This comes on the heels of the other recent bit of good news, that the law has exceeded its enrollment target of 7 million people. Last week, outgoing HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius told Congress that 7.5 million people had signed up during the open enrollment perioduntil
What accounts for the drop? One big factor is that insurance premiums wound up being about 15 percent lower than CBO had originally estimated.
This is from Blomberg News
More Good News on Obamacare, Just When Democrats Need It
By Joshua Greenhttps://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=joshuagreenApril 14, 2014
http://www.businessweek.com/printer...news-on-obamacare-just-when-democrats-need-it</DIV>
Today the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office released its latest Obamacare report card (pdf), and for supporters of the law, the news is good: CBO now projects that over 10 years the law will cover more people—25 million, up from 24 million—and cost a lot less—$104 billion less—than it had previously forecast.
This comes on the heels of the other recent bit of good news, that the law has exceeded its enrollment target of 7 million people. Last week, outgoing HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius told Congress that 7.5 million people had signed up during the open enrollment perioduntil
What accounts for the drop? One big factor is that insurance premiums wound up being about 15 percent lower than CBO had originally estimated.
Pat
Supporter
Perhaps the best measure of the ACA success is a snippet from Jon Stewart.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AtoHdiPfnY
Just in time for the mid-term elections. The affordable care act is a glowing success! I bet all the Democrats running for reelection will boldly champion their involvement in passing the ACA as they run in November. As a result, previous Paddock predictions of a massive Democrat victory in November will be a reality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AtoHdiPfnY
Just in time for the mid-term elections. The affordable care act is a glowing success! I bet all the Democrats running for reelection will boldly champion their involvement in passing the ACA as they run in November. As a result, previous Paddock predictions of a massive Democrat victory in November will be a reality.
Jim Craik
Lifetime Supporter
Yes Pat, a very small percent of folks had an insurance plan that did not meet the minimum requirements.....
You know, if they got real sick and spent over the maximum that plan allowed they were on their own....
But even with the six years of non-stop anti Affordable Health Care bullshit. Even with millioms and millions spent lying about the Affordable Health Care Act, it is a success.
Even with consevatives doing everything possible to destroy it, even with all the lies and mis-information, it is a success!
They signed up more than they hoped for and the cost is less than they planned for.
7.5 million Americans now have affordable health care and the number will increase and increase.
Thank you President Obama.
As for the mid-term elections, historically they can be tough, but we will see...
You know, if they got real sick and spent over the maximum that plan allowed they were on their own....
But even with the six years of non-stop anti Affordable Health Care bullshit. Even with millioms and millions spent lying about the Affordable Health Care Act, it is a success.
Even with consevatives doing everything possible to destroy it, even with all the lies and mis-information, it is a success!
They signed up more than they hoped for and the cost is less than they planned for.
7.5 million Americans now have affordable health care and the number will increase and increase.
Thank you President Obama.
As for the mid-term elections, historically they can be tough, but we will see...
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Let's see, 320 million people, 7.5 million people signed up in 6 months. That works out to 2.3% of the population, sounds like a roaring fucking success to me........huh?
"Exceeded its enrollment target"? Really? Just like the unemployment figures somehow mystically and magically dropped below 8% just 1 month before the 2012 elections? Just like it was 'determined' that Benghazi wasn't a terrorist attack just before the 2012's? Just like the '09 Ft Hood shooting was determined to be "work place violence" - NOT terrorism - just before the 2010 election?
Sebelius? How does SHE know? She can't even tell us how many people who've supposedly signed up have PAID their premiums. (Name ONE business in the WORLD that cannot tell us at any given time who has and has not paid for something he/she's ordered from them. Name ONE.) If they haven't paid - they're NOT signed up. Sebelius also CLAIMED the Oblahblahcare website was ready to go...and Obama said using it would be like shopping on Amazon...that we could keep our doctor...we could keep our plan...we'd see our premiums DROP by $2,500 a year...that EVERYBODY would be covered...that there'd be NO 'extensions' on the sign up deadlines...that we'd have BETTER coverage for LESS money. Is it really necessary to go on?
Jim Craik
Lifetime Supporter
Gee Al, you make it sound like most of the 320 million Americans did not already have health care.
As of 2012, only 15% of Americans did not have health care. We are only talking about the 15%......
2.3% of the 15% uninsured, that number looks alot better, doesn't it?
In only the first year, even with all the lies, even with six years of non-stop consevative bullshit, the number is better than projected.
Over the next ten years that number will increase from 7.5 million to 25+ million,. thanks Predsident Obama!
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...and about 6 million of them only signed up because they had lost the coverage they already had thanks to Oblahblahcare.
If the American electorate doesn't toss evey single congress member who voted FOR Obamacare and is up for re-election in 2014 OUT ON THEIR EARS this fall - there's absolutely no hope for this country at all. None. Because that will prove beyond any shadow of a doubt that we truly DO now have more people in this country with their HANDS OUT than people who 'earn' with them.
Just wait 'til all the people who get their health insurance thru their workplace find out AFTER the election (when the employer mandates are due to kick in - by intentional design!) that they've LOST their insurance!!! How STOOOPID are they gunna feel when they find out they'd voted to keep in office the very con artists who screwed 'em over? Well, it's not like they weren't told beforehand.
The American people had better wise up before this November. God knows they didn't before November 2012.
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Pat
Supporter
For those of you that want a reasonably authoritative view of the numbers:
How Well Is Obamacare Covering The Uninsured? A Glass Half Empty Moment - Forbes
It has bar graphs and references!!!! I couldn't bring myself to post them in the Paddock.
As far as projections and promises, “I will sign a universal health care bill into law by the end of my first term as president that will cover every American.” Barack Obama Campaign Promise). Reality: Millions of Americans will remain uninsured.
Despite spending nearly $1.8 trillion in new spending from 2014 to 2023, the law falls far short of universal coverage. Indeed, Obamacare is projected by the CBO to leave 31 million uninsured after a decade of full implementation. (CBO’s May 2013 Estimate).
Remember when the ACA was passed, Democrats held the House and the Senate with a supermajority. In other words, there was no Republican limitations as to the ACA's passage and contents.
How Well Is Obamacare Covering The Uninsured? A Glass Half Empty Moment - Forbes
It has bar graphs and references!!!! I couldn't bring myself to post them in the Paddock.
As far as projections and promises, “I will sign a universal health care bill into law by the end of my first term as president that will cover every American.” Barack Obama Campaign Promise). Reality: Millions of Americans will remain uninsured.
Despite spending nearly $1.8 trillion in new spending from 2014 to 2023, the law falls far short of universal coverage. Indeed, Obamacare is projected by the CBO to leave 31 million uninsured after a decade of full implementation. (CBO’s May 2013 Estimate).
Remember when the ACA was passed, Democrats held the House and the Senate with a supermajority. In other words, there was no Republican limitations as to the ACA's passage and contents.
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Jim Craik
Lifetime Supporter
Pat,
You might want to check up on what you said.
As I recall, President Obama wanted "universal coverage", that was what was originally planned and originally offered.
If Democrats actually had a "supermajority" we would have the much superior "universal coverage". But they did not have a supermajority did they? Republicans could still block its passage.
The health care act we finally received was a compromise with the Republicans, this bill falls short of the superior "universal coverage" because Republicans insisted!
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Pat you do remember that Obama ran on health care reform, the Democrats ran on Health care reform. The people elected Obama and gave them a majority on the House and Senate (but not a supermajority) because they wanted HC reform.
They then re-elected President Obama in a landslide!!!!
Get over it, its a done deal, more Americans signed up than was projected and the costs are less than projected.
Dispite the six years of non-stop propaganda, vitually all untrue, this will be a very popular and successful program.
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Pat
Supporter
Jim,
On Christmas Eve of 2009, the Senate voted to move forward with the Health Care Reform bill by 60 to 39 votes. As Vice-President Biden noted, it was a big deal.
The Dems held the supermajority until Ted Kennedy's passing and he was replaced by Scott Walker in the Senate in February 2010. Had the Republicans had the ability to filibuster and stop the ACA, they certainly would have.
As far as the promise to cover everyone, that was a quote from Mr. Obama.
I would urge everyone to look at this video for an insightful example.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hxwot4sGTrM
On Christmas Eve of 2009, the Senate voted to move forward with the Health Care Reform bill by 60 to 39 votes. As Vice-President Biden noted, it was a big deal.
The Dems held the supermajority until Ted Kennedy's passing and he was replaced by Scott Walker in the Senate in February 2010. Had the Republicans had the ability to filibuster and stop the ACA, they certainly would have.
As far as the promise to cover everyone, that was a quote from Mr. Obama.
I would urge everyone to look at this video for an insightful example.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hxwot4sGTrM
Jim Craik
Lifetime Supporter
Pat,
You are absolutly correct, I got that wrong on several levels. I forgot that it was Arlen Spector, switching from Republican to Democrat, mid term that did give them the "supermajority" for a few months. Sorry about getting that wrong.
It's extremely ironic, but is seems we owe a great big thanks to the tea party for the supermajority and the Affordable Health Care Act, without their help, Mr Spector would not have switched parties.
The tea party really is the gift that keeps on giving.
You are absolutly correct, I got that wrong on several levels. I forgot that it was Arlen Spector, switching from Republican to Democrat, mid term that did give them the "supermajority" for a few months. Sorry about getting that wrong.
It's extremely ironic, but is seems we owe a great big thanks to the tea party for the supermajority and the Affordable Health Care Act, without their help, Mr Spector would not have switched parties.
The tea party really is the gift that keeps on giving.
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Jim,
I've read your diatribe several times and, fascinating as it is, there's not a single truth in it. Not one. Lots of spin, subterfuge, and exaggeration but no factual truth! Romney: 56,145,000 vs Obama 58,720,000 is a landslide!!!! You either live in an alternate but parallel universe where your reality is, in fact, real or you're just full of shit.
If you want to know why you get beat up so much on this forum it's for that, not your views. It's your unwavering willingness to lie through your teeth to get your point across combined with the self righteousness of your presentation. It's also why I (and most on here) don't respect your viewpoint one bit whereas I respect Jim Rosenthal's opinion despite often disagreeing. Grow up.
Jim Craik
Lifetime Supporter
Steve you may not be aware of this but Presidents are not elected by the popular vote, if that was true we would of had President Al Gore!
Presidents are elected by the Electoral College Votes.
Obama won 332 electoral votes, as compared with 206 for Romney.
Landslide!
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Steve if popular votes were what wins elections, you should keep this in mind.
We have a Democratic President...
We have a Democratic Senate...
And more Americans voted for Democratic House members than Republican House members!
Gerrymandering gave the House to the Republicans, not the popular vote!
Presidents are elected by the Electoral College Votes.
Obama won 332 electoral votes, as compared with 206 for Romney.
Landslide!
Obama won Florida by more than 100 times the margin of victory for George Bush in 2000.
He won an overwhelming majority in the Electoral College, a daunting majority of the popular vote and a majority of the nation’s states—including most of the country’s largest states and states in every major region of the republic: New England, the mid-Atlantic, the Great Lakes, the South, the Southwest, the Mountain West and the West.
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Steve if popular votes were what wins elections, you should keep this in mind.
We have a Democratic President...
We have a Democratic Senate...
And more Americans voted for Democratic House members than Republican House members!
Gerrymandering gave the House to the Republicans, not the popular vote!
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Pat
Supporter
Steve, I need to disagree with you. I have gotten to know Jim and consider him a friend. We agree on most things from a value standpoint but few things politically. But if you meet him, he is great company and it is a lot of fun to share a car race or an adult beverage with him.
While he is certainly enthusiastic in his support for the current regime in the White House, I believe him to be sincere albeit sometimes over the top. He'll admit when he's wrong and I think enjoys playing the role of agent provocateur especially given he is somewhat outnumbered on the forum from a political standpoint. Goodness knows he's not alone there.
I enjoy his posts and they have given me viewpoints that are a window as to the how the other half sees the world. If for that reason alone I believe his contributions worthwhile but in addition, he's funny and the reactions to him are often priceless.
So Jim, as far as I'm concerned, rant on!
And please, please, look at the video I previously posted. I'll buy you a beer if you don't laugh out loud!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hxwot4sGTrM
While he is certainly enthusiastic in his support for the current regime in the White House, I believe him to be sincere albeit sometimes over the top. He'll admit when he's wrong and I think enjoys playing the role of agent provocateur especially given he is somewhat outnumbered on the forum from a political standpoint. Goodness knows he's not alone there.
I enjoy his posts and they have given me viewpoints that are a window as to the how the other half sees the world. If for that reason alone I believe his contributions worthwhile but in addition, he's funny and the reactions to him are often priceless.
So Jim, as far as I'm concerned, rant on!
And please, please, look at the video I previously posted. I'll buy you a beer if you don't laugh out loud!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hxwot4sGTrM
...and of course the Democrats N-E-V-E-R indulge in that...do they. :lol:
You stated above how many votes House libs have supposedly gotten over GOPs . If that be the case, it's clear the GOP must not be too talented in the 'Gerrying' dept or they'd own both congress AND the White House wouldn't they....which in turn would clearly suggest the libs MUST be pretty skilled at it since only a couple of years ago the libs netted a super majority in BOTH houses and they owned the White House too...'innit'.
But, you bring up a good subject: gerrymandering. It's a practice that's c-r-o-o-k-e-d to its core no matter WHICH side does it. Voting districts should be laid out geometrically/geographically in a uniform grid pattern consisting of equal-sized 'squares' laid out over a map of any given area - 'no POLITICAL crap involved.
'Just MHO...
Steve, I need to disagree with you. I have gotten to know Jim and consider him a friend. We agree on most things from a value standpoint but few things politically. But if you meet him, he is great company and it is a lot of fun to share a car race or an adult beverage with him.
While he is certainly enthusiastic in his support for the current regime in the White House, I believe him to be sincere albeit sometimes over the top. He'll admit when he's wrong and I think enjoys playing the role of agent provocateur especially given he is somewhat outnumbered on the forum from a political standpoint. Goodness knows he's not alone there.
I enjoy his posts and they have given me viewpoints that are a window as to the how the other half sees the world. If for that reason alone I believe his contributions worthwhile but in addition, he's funny and the reactions to him are often priceless.
So Jim, as far as I'm concerned, rant on!
And please, please, look at the video I previously posted. I'll buy you a beer if you don't laugh out loud!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hxwot4sGTrM
Pete, I'll take you at your word. And yes, that video is pretty hilarious!
Still, it's a bit hypocritical for Jim to be so critical of the right, then spout similar (albeit polar opposite from a political standpoint) baseless drivel from the left. I respect thoughtful discourse with an argument based on some facts. I don't consider wild exaggerations and half truths useful contributions:
Romney 206 vs Obama 332 is not a landslide in anyone's book ( minus Jim of course. Reagan 489 Carter 49, Reagan 525 Mondale 13, Tricky Dick 520 McGovern 17, those are landslides.
Jim could accept some truths from across the aisle but he doesn't. It's that kind of blind adherance to extreme idealism that's ground our entire political system to a halt. It exists on both sides of the aisle, Jim just represents the left side that's all.
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