Alfa Romeo gt40 enemies..

Surely u know more than me about this:were alfa 1750 GTV and alfa Romeo GTAM enemy of the Gt40 during races?
I see the race period was the same but dunno if also the cathegory was the same one.

I am costantly tempted to buy some originals of those great Alfa (mainly 1750 than gtaM)

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Paul
 
Hi Paul,
25 years ago I did had an Alfa Romeo GT 1800cc. My wife and me loved that car, perfect roadhandling and reliable engine ( you must threat it like an diesel warming it up slowly and that kick the pedal). Have driving the alfa for more 100.000 km sold it because of the rust.
Bought an Alfasud sprint veloce but it did not drove like the gt.

Luc
 
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Surely u know more than me about this:were alfa 1750 GTV and alfa Romeo GTAM enemy of the Gt40 during races?
I see the race period was the same but dunno if also the cathegory was the same one.

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Even if the Alfas and the GT40s were in the same race, they usually ran in different categories. The Alfa's were usually in the under 2 litre class. If an Alfa was racing against a Ford, it probably was a Lotus Cortina or later an Escort.
 
thanx Ben,
i was so curious cause the race period, was nearly the same, also for the Gtam (year 1970-engine 2000 cc. 230 hp).
But sure...numbers and power of the gt40 is really different /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Luc,almost all italy had the same sensation and the creation of alfasud,produced and assembled in Napoli was the starting of the falling down of the entire Alfa group.
Usually a lack of quality and too poor care in assembly (for an expensive car anyway) made people consider very different "real" Alfas than Alfasud.
Too many reasons beneath this,only i know Alfa before alfasud was much more "serious" producer or ordinary cars, sportscars and race cars.
All today completely lost, just hope the Brera and new models can save that name. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
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Hi Paul

I sold my 1968 1750 about 3 years ago, and still miss it.

It certainly wasn't original, with a very warm 2lt motor, LSD, subtle rear flaring, improved suspension and larger wheels and tyres.

I used to race it at club level at Malalla (South Australia) and then occasionally at Barbagallo after moving to Perth 10 years ago.

It always ran strongly and sounded great, but I was needing engine rebuilds about every 10K miles (the last one was A$9600, and finally corrected the problem!). What had happened was when I went from the 1750 to the 2lt motor, the mechanic used the original flywheel rather than one from a 2lt. This is ok if done properly, but in this case the balancing was out. So, every few years I would run big-end bearings or some other problem that was not obviously related to the flywheel.

I retired it from track days a couple of years before the final engine rebuild, and had the body fully restored and the interior re-trimmed in leather (including the racing seats). After softening the springs a little it was a great road car, and used to scare off a lot of the local V8s.

I would say definitely get one, but only if you are prepared to spend quite a lot of money keeping it running well. They perform very well. Watch out for the rust!

When I replace my scanner I'll post a couple of pics.

Richard
 
This thread prompted me to dig into my Alfa Romeo Owners Club magazines from the early 1970s.
After owning a Giulia Super in which to cart the growing family around for 3 years, I had a 1970 Series II 1750GTV with which we had many adventures. Here is a picture of us winning a gymkhana at Donington Park in June 1974. Invisible in the passenger's seat is my daughter, who insisted on doing all the runs, but was too short to be able to see out - she just liked the sound of the engine! Now she is the mother of twins. . . . . .
I remember rebuilding the engine in 1975 to cure oil in the water, but this was a fairly simple job - replace the wet liner 'O' rings, new rings, big ends and mains and head gasket.
What proved terminal was rust, though. If you listened carefully you could hear it - you can see its depradations had already started in 1974 on the inner n/s headlamp in the picture.
By 1977 the car was no longer able to pass the MOT test because of rust in the sills and wings, so I gave it away to a guy who wanted the engine and gearbox. It's rumoured that, with the back axle, this was the only part of the car you paid for - the rest was thrown in for free!
The car could be seen running around the village for a few years after that, but then it disappeared. While it was serviceable it was a delight to drive - responsive, quick, predictable and sure-footed. But I never owned another Alfa after that.
 

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Thanks for reply Richard and Tony.
Also the old guys from Autodelta told me about the rust problem on those late '60s Alfas, and also i know can be an expensive mess restore some already attached metal parts.
Saw some days ago a great 1750 under BIG restore and they also told me about the prices of it(and it is a very serious work, also cause they do that to provide u a full historic car,with a lot of original still in alfa boxes replace parts....with the typical 60s paper on it /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gifand if u need..also ready to race.)
I am tempted,due to the many ones still available here in Italy at good prices(some gt Junior starts here from 5000 euros only).
And i see so many ones racing in hisoty classic races here,always with smiling drivers inside /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif really having fun!

Amd i am happy to see many of u like and loved those glorious Alfa of the past(those were at all the LAST true Alfas ).

I will think about it anyway /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Paul
 

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I used to race an Alfasud in the Italian Intermarque series in the UK and also had a 1968 Alfa 1300 GTJ...both are two of my favourite cars...I would love to find another "stepfront" 1300....revs to the moon...nothing sounds better than an Italian engine at full chat......ooohhh!!!!!
 
LOL Fran,
Until some years ago here in Milano engeenering mecanic university they had an alfetta 2000 engine in dyno test fixed on a armed cement base.
Every group of student added.."something " to that engine, and i had the opportunity to hear what becames an incredibly tuned engine from Alfa Romeo.
Just remeber 4 Turbos and some intercoolers,and almost every kinda gauge u can add to make it more and even more powerful without the rest of the car /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif.
and that remain there under dvelopment since 1980 until 1992...LOOOOL..

Was just an engeneering exercise...but the sound..my god..exctly as the one u said,maybe also a little more

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And I thought it was just me ! Rather than being enemies, it seems that GT40s and Alfas have something of an affinity. I "only" have two fun cars - a GTD, used mainly for fast road and trackdays and a production race Alfa 33 (unfortunately not the Type 33 70s sports proto !) which I use for circuit racing here in the UK. Two more different cars you can't imagine - the GT40 being a 'point and squirt' beastie and the 33 being a highly forgiving sticky go-kart.I used to race a Sud (until it got shortened in startline shunt last year) and you have to admire the engineering behind the Alfas - if only they could learn to make them properly !
 
What do you mean..the older they get the faster they become...through the natural lightening process patented in the 70's by the Italians....rust... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I would love to have a nice Sud here in the States...actually a race one would be even better..do you know of any??
 
Hi Fran,
Here’s a pic of me in my Sud , taken last year at a very wet Silverstone, before it came to grief later in the year. The guy who bought it has subsequently rebuilt the frontend and lightened it by about 75kg – so it does not now conform to Production Car regulations. As you say, these cars have a habit of simply dissolving (faster than rusting).Under the bonnet, my Sud was like a welded patchwork quilt and believe me, rust weighs more than sheet steel ! I have read that it was Alfa’s practice at the time of buying cheap and nasty Russian steel, full of impurities, and that led to the disastrous rust problems. However, if you were interested in getting a Sud, there are still quite a few around the UK in various states,from a concourse car at around £4000 to basket cases at about £50 ! I do know of one very quick road/sprint car (engine reputably 180bhp) in very crisp condition that the owner has been trying to sell for around £3000 – which I thought was a bit high, but if you were interested, I could make further enquiries. Alternatively, you could buy a basic sound car and uprate it yourself. All the necessary bits are still available, but the costs are high, so buying a complete racer is still the best financial bet.
 

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Great pic, this one.
Seems an Alfa contest: alfasud, Alfa 75 and gt Junior...eheh.

I can confirm all about what u said about steel matters on these cars.
Add in the years of production,Alfa had a lot of social troubles with his workers....and they fight increasing as best they car the low quality of the finished cars (dunno if u understand what i mean btw..).
My granddad was a car mechanic and i remember his words when he opened those alfas,excluding the engine (and the chassis quality) all the rest of the car was some of the worst things u can buy, and for the period..not so cheap(typical of all FIAT models, and that is one of the reson we are today some the best european buyer for BMW, Audi and Mercedes..).
Maybe some of u dunno this, but in italy we were almost OBLIGED to buy italian coffin cars until the 80's cause all the other foreign ones had simply too many taxes to pay when buying it.
Fiat killed Alfa(the old alfa,from Gt40 era),Autobianchi, Innocenti and mighty Lancia.
No regrets at all if they close(next generation Punto is the last chanche they have to go on)....at least for me.

Paul
 
Hi apul,

I owned a 1968 alfa romeo 1600 gulia sprint gt veloce. rust was a big problem and from memory the 1600 could have the crankshafts ground but the 2000 couldn't. the 1600 gtv also had a more robust mainshaft and many of the main drive components were not interchangable between models.
the dulop rear brake was a scissor assembly an it sheared off as i was braking from 70 mph which made me downshift heavily through the box prior to hitting a mound of gravel.
the car was a dream to drive, accurate, responsive and you felt the car was part of you.

fond memories

mike mills
 
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