California Smog Regs

So I'm all set for a BBC in my RCR SLC and then Fran comes along taunting me with an LS7 Chevy. I really hate the smog station visit every two years and have no love for the thought of some Bozo trying to qualify my prize possesion. Hence the want to conform to pre-smog elligable engines.

So the question is this - Has anyone here (in California) installed a later model smog controlled engine in a modern looking car. And if so is that car required to be inspected evey two years?

In California you can register to the year of the 'look' of the car or to the engine family, in my case I have a very modern looking car so that route of smog avoidance is out.

TIA
 
Hi Rob,

I believe that if its a late model engine in a older/different car, it has to meet the smog regulations for the model year of the car it came out of.

Are yo still running AFM. Its been a few years since I've seen you race or have been to the track.

Leonard
 
Hi Rob,

I believe that if its a late model engine in a older/different car, it has to meet the smog regulations for the model year of the car it came out of.

Are yo still running AFM. Its been a few years since I've seen you race or have been to the track.

Leonard

Leonard,
That is true of engine swap cars, not for special construction cars.

I have semi-retired this season, only ran half the series this year. First time I have not run a full season in 11 years. Needed the break, needed to tend to other parts of life.

thanks for asking.

Rich,
I could call CARB but I'd rather have a personal experience since in my opinion here in Cali you can get "Oh it needs this and that and this other thing too" no matter what CARB says prior to you showing up for inspection. Maybe I don't trust so good.

I'll poke around Cobra sites but since they can be registerd in Cali as 65 model year cars they may not be much help in my question.

thanks
 
Leonard,
That is true of engine swap cars, not for special construction cars.

Rich,
I could call CARB but I'd rather have a personal experience since in my opinion here in Cali you can get "Oh it needs this and that and this other thing too" no matter what CARB says prior to you showing up for inspection. Maybe I don't trust so good.

I'll poke around Cobra sites but since they can be registerd in Cali as 65 model year cars they may not be much help in my question.

thanks

Rob,

As far as I know. Cobra replicas can NOT be legally registered as '65 model year cars in California. Yes, there are people who have managed to do so, but they have had to do some pretty fishy things, i.e. first titling them in another state with much more leniency, then re-titling them in California using the other title as the source document.

The rule for 'kit cars' in California is that the car is registered as the model year that it is first titled (i.e. when the completed car is presented to the CHP to be issued a VIN, and then to the DMV to be titled and registered), and the engine needs to conform to the smog requirements for the year of the engine, regardless of the car that it happens to be in. Thus if you build a 1958 Lister/Chevy replica with a 2007 Corvette engine and complete it next year, it will be considered a 2008 model year car, and needs to meet 2007 smog specs.

This is what we call "A major bummer".

I don't know if the SB-100 cars are exempt from this; that legislation all came about long after my Cobra replica (purchased as a kit in '91, completed and thus titled in '93 as a '93) was built.

If I were contemplating such a build, I would find a bolt-in substitute, i.e. a pre-'66 smallblock Chevy, get it running and title/register the car with that engine. The state will provide a VIN tag (if the car doesn't already have one), and a separate Bureau of Automotive Repairs stating the engine year, displacement, manufacturer, and then a series of boxes with specifics which tell the smog inspector which specific smog requirements it is required to meet.

Below is the tag from my Cobra replica, which has a '66 427 side-oiler. Unfortunately the tag was damaged when it was removed to have the engine compartment repainted.

BARTag.jpg


Once your car is set up with one of these, with a pre-'66 smog-exempt engine, I think the sky is the limit. You can then yank it and throw it down a mineshaft, and install a super-whippy-dippy modern engine; as long as state bureaucrats don't look under the hood, you're in great shape.

Or so it seems to me. It's possible that SB-100 cars get a free pass, and they are able to be registered as and conform to the smog rules of the model year the car is trying to emulate (i.e. a 1966 car with a 2007 motor would be titled as a '66 and have to meet 1966 smog specs). In fact, now that I think about it, I think that is more than likely--I think that's what makes getting a car listed under SB100 such a big deal.

Lots of people here have registered GT40s under SB100 recently--let's hear from them???
 

Pat Buckley

GT40s Supporter
There is more (accurate) information available on this subject on Club Cobra than you can shake a stick at.

A special construction car needs to get an SB100 approval - they only give out 500 per year for the entire State of California. They are all handed out within 4 hours of the DMV opening each year.

I have done this twice. You go into the DMV early on January 1st with your MSO and your receipts for everything, the lady calculates the taxes owed and then calls in to the main DMV office in Sacramento for a SB100 sequence number. If your are one of the lucky few you get one. She also gives you a temporary tag at this time.

You then have to go to the CHP to have your VIN verified, the a Brake and Lamp Station for their sticker, the to the SMOG referee for an emission inspection and the coveted sticker. You can NOT fail the emission test. They just need to do it to get you into the system. (my car was running a little rich - 10,362 ppm on the HC!!)

After completing these steps you go back and present all the stuff and get your plates.

That's it.

The other way of doing this with a pre-66 engine is not familiar to me but I have heard this is an option. I am not sure.

Good luck - I have heard that an SB100 approved car is worth quite a bit more. I know that I would not like to be a Cobra/GT40/Whatever dealer in this State as selling a car that may not get titled for a year or two is a tough sell.

You can also go in with all your documentation in the middle of the year and they will collect the taxes and give you a temporary tag for three months - sometimes they will renew the temporary tag a few times....
 
Captin Drew
Yes I am speaking of SB 100 regisrations .......you need to spend a little more time in the US much less California :-P. A Cobra could be registered as a 65 in Cali if done so under SB 100. My problem is different, I have a fully modern looking car that no one would belive is modled after a 1965 build original.... so I can't use that tact even with SB 100. I will have to use the engine as the basis for the year of smog I wish to be tired to.

See you at Howard's later?
 
Now that I know what your talking about here is a page that will help you.

Home-Made, Specially Constructed, or Kit Vehicles


Per California Vehicle Code §4750.1, the first 500 program applicants in each calendar year may choose whether the inspection is based on the model-year of the engine used in the vehicle or the vehicle model-year. If the engine or the vehicle does not sufficiently resemble one previously manufactured, the referee will assign 1960 as the model-year.


HTH
Rich
 
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Thanks Rich,
I have heard that info relayed before, it is good reinforcement. I suppose that line in bold could be left up to someone's opinion as to whether the car looks like some other car (say an Enzo or somethng). Maybe I sound a little paranoid but I'd hate to show up and have them say "sorry, you run full smog on this" after all the investment.

Another thing is I would have to come to terms with is the car being a ''1960'' on the regisration when obviously it is not. More of a resale / communication thing - maybe only a problem in my own head :-)

cheers.
 
Hi Mesa,

Buy one ratty pre 1966 Chevrolet anything (because you want a Mark IV V8), with a clean title.

Heavily modify the Chevy so it will look like an SLC.

;)

Regards,
Scott
 
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The issue in this thread is exactly what I have been worrying about recently, also in reference to the SLC.

I live in Virginia, and the state has recently adopted the model SEMA law, but that is of little comfort to those who are building cars like the SLC. The law was clearly designed for the benefit of the typical rodder and the Cobra crowd. Nothing there helps people who are building cars that don't resemble a car from a registration-desirable era.

Absent title-washing, the only alternative to regular inspections is likely the claim that the car resembles another car from an appropriate era. I have been pondering the idea of asserting that the SLC "resembles" a McLaren M6GT. If accepted, it would make most or all of the problems go away.

I know this is a GT40 forum, but I wonder if others have knowledge of how to register cars like the SLC without the onus of emission and other requirements that the car probably could not pass?

-Will

PS: This is my first post, but I have been a Lurker First Class for the past couple of months...
 
The issue in this thread is exactly what I have been worrying about recently, also in reference to the SLC.

I live in Virginia, and the state has recently adopted the model SEMA law, but that is of little comfort to those who are building cars like the SLC. The law was clearly designed for the benefit of the typical rodder and the Cobra crowd. Nothing there helps people who are building cars that don't resemble a car from a registration-desirable era.

Absent title-washing, the only alternative to regular inspections is likely the claim that the car resembles another car from an appropriate era. I have been pondering the idea of asserting that the SLC "resembles" a McLaren M6GT. If accepted, it would make most or all of the problems go away.

I know this is a GT40 forum, but I wonder if others have knowledge of how to register cars like the SLC without the onus of emission and other requirements that the car probably could not pass?

-Will

PS: This is my first post, but I have been a Lurker First Class for the past couple of months...

The only real issue in CA is emissions testing. Beyond the lights/brake inspection for a
Specialty Constructed Vehicle (one time check), there is no annual safety check
(though there are times I dearly wish there were). For emissions, the killer isn't always
the actual emissions (ironically), but proper smog equipment for the year engine/body.
Which brings me to my personal rant:

<soapbox>
Ditch the visual inspection for smog and smog related equipment and rely on a
pipe/emissions test - that is really what we care about, isn't it? If the car runs
clean, who cares if the catalytic converter is being bypassed.
</soapbox>

Of course, the above assumes there is some intelligent decision making regarding
appropriate emissions levels. But I am of the opinion that a well tuned vehicle should
pass a reasonably set level/requirement - though HCs tend to run high on engines
that burn fairly efficiently.

Ian
 
Bah - not thinking straight. When an engine is tuned to burn more efficiently (i.e. the
fuel is burnt more completely), NOx emissions increase, not HCs (HCs are essentially
unbrunt fuel - DUH!). Anyway, you get the picture.

Ian
 

Sandy

Gulf GT40
Lifetime Supporter
I thought that for SB100 that the smog was tracked to the year of the car? So if I have a 1965 427 Cobra replica do they check smog for a 1965? Can raw fuel be dripping out of the pipes and can I pass that aspect of the emission check?

I'm getting close to the point were I have to do lights and brakes, and I'm pretty sure I'm not going to come close to any emission standards of any sorts.

Sandy
 
I thought that for SB100 that the smog was tracked to the year of the car? So if I have a 1965 427 Cobra replica do they check smog for a 1965? Can raw fuel be dripping out of the pipes and can I pass that aspect of the emission check?

I'm getting close to the point were I have to do lights and brakes, and I'm pretty sure I'm not going to come close to any emission standards of any sorts.

Sandy

Hi Sandy,

It's your choice - engine or body. So, if going for a 1965 Cobra, it's based on a 1965 Cobra
and all emissions related rules pertaining to a 1965 Cobra. And the good news, there are
no smog/emissions rules pertaining to vehicles from 1965 or earlier. So, you are good to go.

Ian
 

Sandy

Gulf GT40
Lifetime Supporter
Thanks for some good news, I thought it was by body otherwise what would the point of the SB100 be, as the default (Non-Sb100) is by year of engine???

I don't think the Holley Dominator on top of a Can Am Aluminum Big Block Chevy will make them happy or be in any of the smog books except under the section marked FAIL.

Sandy
 
IIRC, when you go to the smog referee under an SB100 rego, you'll most likely
fail the pipe test on the machine, but then they give you paperwork for the
exemption.

Ian
 
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