Howard Jones
Supporter
and the rest of the story.......................
Open Carry: What it is, and isn't!! | Unhyphenated America!
Open Carry: What it is, and isn't!! | Unhyphenated America!
Is it possible........
- Thread starter Mark Pickford
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However, Florida is not a traditional open carry state. Open Carry is lawful while engaged in, or going directly to and from, lawful Target Shooting, Hunting, Fishing, and Camping expeditions.FL Statutes 790.25(3)(h), (j), and (k).
I have mixed reservations about OC. Even for responsible adults, But you would see a plethora of "No Guns Allowed" signs everywhere. Usually, CC is not an issue.
I have mixed reservations about OC. Even for responsible adults, But you would see a plethora of "No Guns Allowed" signs everywhere. Usually, CC is not an issue.
..."O.C." is also legal in any other place at any other time whether in Fla. or any other state according to the document we're evidently not supposed to mention in this thread.
I'll just leave it there...
I think there is a difference between the right to possess firearms and "open carry", which (as I understand it) is carrying a weapon out in plain sight. When I lived in north-central Kansas there was an individual who apparently believed he was born in the wrong century...he rode a "Harley-style" motorcycle and had holsters with pistols strapped to both legs. That would be "open carry" to me.
Am I understanding it correctly?
...or, does the right to carry firearms under an "open carry" provision vary depending on the nature of the circumstances?
Cheers!
Doug
PeteB
GT40s Supporter
I think most responsible gun owners would agree that letting a 9 year old fire a fully automatic weapon is plain stupidity, but using this incident to promote limiting gun ownership is also plain stupidity.
If someone was stupid enough to let a 9 year old drive their GT40 and the 9 year old got killed doing so, should that be a call to ban private GT40 ownership?
If someone was stupid enough to let a 9 year old drive their GT40 and the 9 year old got killed doing so, should that be a call to ban private GT40 ownership?
Pete McCluskey.
Lifetime Supporter
Agreed, I feel so sorry for the little girl.
Jim Craik
Lifetime Supporter
PeteB,
You seem to equate these two senarios...
Does the fact that one is perfectly legal and the other is illegal in every state have any effect on your thoughts about laws?
There are no Fedral laws limiting the age to own a gun
Do you think it should be legal for 9 year olds to drive?
Do you think it should be legal for 9 year olds sould own uzis?
PS you used a variation of the word "stupid" three times in two paragraphs, could be a record
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Evidently not, Mark. 'Sorry...
The Founders declared "We the People" have the right to "keep AND bear" - PERIOD. They attached no list of 'IFs, ANDs, or BUTs' to those rights. 'No list of 'exceptions' that applied when this-or-that circumstance may be the case...'no list of states - or places within those states - wherein those rights didn't apply. They didn't say we may carry HERE - but not 'THERE. They listed no 'rules' regarding when/where or even IF we may 'open carry' or carry 'concealed' - NOTHING. (And they DARNED SURE didn't say we had to pay govt a FEE to carry concealed! Since WHEN does one have to PAY GOVT A FEE to exercise a RIGHT?) HAD THE FOUNDERS I-N-T-E-N-D-E-D THOSE RIGHTS BE LIMITED, THEY'D HAVE SPELLED OUT THE LIMITS.
So, since the fed constitution trumps any state constitution or law, and the fed constitution says we have the flat-out RIGHT to "keep and BEAR" in this country, AND it says that congress shall pass NO LAW INFRINGING on those rights, "We the People" have the RIGHT to carry ANYWHERE in ANY state and do so either 'concealed' OR in the open. (And I don't c-a-r-e what some liberal judge may have said to the contrary at one time or another via his "interpretation" of the document. Show me where the constitution backs him up.)
'I be dunn' now... :evil:
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Jim Craik
Lifetime Supporter
Larry, this has been explained to you over and over, you do not like it, but it does not change the facts.
The same folks who added the 2nd Amendment also set up the Supreme Court with the power to interpret what is and what is not constitutional.
I know that you think the 2nd Amendment is written in stone with no possible changes allowed. Larry that is ridiculous, there have been many laws passed and upheld by the Supreme Court that limit your right to bear arms.
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Some of the laws that have been passed, limiting the "Right to bare arms"...
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You cannot be "armed" with a bomb in order to protect yourself from danger...
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You cannot carry a gun into a Federal Courthouse...
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You cannot carry a gun into a Federal prison visiting area...
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You cannot carry a gun into the boarding area or on a plane...
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These laws have all been challenged and the Supreme Court has ruled them "CONSTITUTIONAL".
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Larry you may not like it but those are laws that limit your right to "bear arms".
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At this point we are only discussing where the line limiting weapons is drawn, not if there is a line.
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You can continue to pretend that those are not laws, but you are only fooling yourself.
The same folks who added the 2nd Amendment also set up the Supreme Court with the power to interpret what is and what is not constitutional.
I know that you think the 2nd Amendment is written in stone with no possible changes allowed. Larry that is ridiculous, there have been many laws passed and upheld by the Supreme Court that limit your right to bear arms.
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Pete McCluskey.
Lifetime Supporter
Jim is it illegal for a nine year old to handle an automatic weapon at a gun range? If it is not I think it should be.
You're OBFUSCATING again, Jim.
Read again the last 2 sentences in post 33 above. In fact, reread the whole post. ALL of it has been presented to you over and over, and yet YOU still don't 'get it'.
The constitution says what it says. The fact that some lib judge(s) chose to "interpret" what it says as meaning anything and everything but what it says does NOT disprove my stance on the matter. The Supremes may have the authority to "interpret"...but, that DOES NOT MEAN whatever they decide will be the c-o-r-r-e-c-t interpretation/decision. Not by a darn sight.
Read again the last 2 sentences in post 33 above. In fact, reread the whole post. ALL of it has been presented to you over and over, and yet YOU still don't 'get it'.
The constitution says what it says. The fact that some lib judge(s) chose to "interpret" what it says as meaning anything and everything but what it says does NOT disprove my stance on the matter. The Supremes may have the authority to "interpret"...but, that DOES NOT MEAN whatever they decide will be the c-o-r-r-e-c-t interpretation/decision. Not by a darn sight.
PeteB
GT40s Supporter
PeteB,
You seem to equate these two senarios...
Does the fact that one is perfectly legal and the other is illegal in every state have any effect on your thoughts about laws?
There are no Fedral laws limiting the age to own a gun
Do you think it should be legal for 9 year olds to drive?
Do you think it should be legal for 9 year olds sould own uzis?
PS you used a variation of the word "stupid" three times in two paragraphs, could be a record
Not at all. It's not illegal in ANY state to let a 9 year drive a car on a racetrack or on private property.
Jim Craik
Lifetime Supporter
Pete,
Not only is it legal for them to shoot, it's legal for them to buy and own (with a Parant or guardian to sign) There are no age limits...
The NRA has fought every attempt to add santy to the situation.
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Pete McCluskey.
Lifetime Supporter
Well I was shooting Rabbits for the cooking pot at age nine. But with a .22 single shot rifle.
Letting a nine year old handle an Uzi is crazy.
Letting a nine year old handle an Uzi is crazy.
I normally stay out of discussions on American politics, because I don't live there, and only hope that Americans stay out of UK politics for the same reason.
However, how any civilised, first-world society that can sanction its populace running around with automatic weapons, and expecting to carry weapons as a cosmetic right, is completely beyond me.
What may have been practical in the 1850s, when rattlesnakes, coyotes and bears threatened your livestock, is no longer relevant in an urbanised and increasingly over-populated society.
Guns shouldn't be banned altogether - just use a little common sense, for all our sakes.
However, how any civilised, first-world society that can sanction its populace running around with automatic weapons, and expecting to carry weapons as a cosmetic right, is completely beyond me.
What may have been practical in the 1850s, when rattlesnakes, coyotes and bears threatened your livestock, is no longer relevant in an urbanised and increasingly over-populated society.
Guns shouldn't be banned altogether - just use a little common sense, for all our sakes.
