London Riots
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The riots in London are hooliganism by losers, who live in a society that has little sympathy for losers”
Ulf Poschardt
Die Welt
You have got to love the Germans. I think they got it spot on.
Ulf Poschardt
Die Welt
You have got to love the Germans. I think they got it spot on.
Jim Rosenthal
Supporter
Excuse me, but being down on your luck and poor does not make you a criminal. Criminal behavior makes you a criminal. Being poor isn't against the law. Smashing things and setting them on fire is against the law. Thugs ought to be put in jail. Any decent person would walk away from this and not participate in this kind of disgusting behavior.
How are you supposed to stop this type of vile behavior? Jail them? for how long? nah most likely these punks that are caught will get a good hard slap on the wrists by the authorities...I think the only way to curb this crap is on a personal level.....if you break into my store I'll shoot your ass.
Sorry Jim, these people aren't poor. They are just losers. The first one through the courts this morning works in a primary school, another one is an undergraduate. And the list goes on.
Did you mean this post Doug? Sorry if you didn't want it up but there's nowt wrong with it mate! Don't know what you mean by "forum software messed it up"
Note for all: You may post a message and quickly delete it (for whatever reason) but I will still get your original post! Sneaky or what?
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Here in the US, the police take the simple way out; shoot the protesters under the guise of 'personal threat', and then walk away with a life-time pension for being traumatized beyond the ability to perform duties (Okay, maybe a little harsh, but not too far from the truth).
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You are SO right, Terry.
Police shootings are so common here in Houston that they seldom even raise an eyebrow anymore. It's amazing how little it takes for the police to
.....when it happens the officer is placed in a desk job while the incident is investigated by Internal Affairs. That's about as effective as asking the fox to guard the henhouse, or asking bankers and CEOs of large corporations to "police" (read: control or limit) the obscene perks their own bretheren reap.....
The police in Houston look more military every day, "flak-jackets", assault rifles, automatic weapons, that sort of thing, WAAAY out of proportion to the type of threats they face on a daily basis (I'm aware of the VERY _unusual_ exceptions, like the video of the street gun battle in that incident in which the criminals were better armed than the police out in California). It makes over-reaction the rule of the day rather than the exception....and when one of those heavily armed policemen is injured or killed in the line of duty, you'd be surprised how out-of-proportion the "ceremony" is. Nobody seems to care when a teacher is killed by a renegade student....but, then, they aren't allowed to arm themselves against violent acts like the police are, so why should it be of great concern, no? :thumbsdown:
Re: the riots in England, I agree that they seem to be the doings of a few ruffians who either have nothing to do or too much to do...at any rate, I for one am pleased to see the Bobbies (do they still call them that?) exercising restraint in the use of deadly force, as well as the public's volunteer involvement in helping clean up the mess they created.
Still, the Brits have had a rather longstanding fascination with anarchy and violence...."A Clockwork Orange" is one of my favorite movies!
Just kidding, guys.....just kidding.
Cheers, Doug!!
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Keith,
Even worse, my wife is a primary school teacher and quite a few 6 year old children are playing that "Game".
I would be interested to know how many of these looters played these games at a young age.
I've played the game. I play a lot of games. I play games that reward me for killing an opponent with a headshot....
However, I have never broken windows, stolen goods, kicked people in the head or shot anyone. Christ, even when I'm drunk I become more of a pacifist than I am when I'm sober....
Keith mate, I agree with you on so many levels, but on this one I can't. To me the issue is not the game per say, it is the ability of the player to distinguish the difference between a game and real life.
This is a much deeper imponderable...
The Xbox / PS3 / PC has become the nanny for too many working couples who can't be arsed to do the hard yards with their children (help with homework, sit down for family meals, educate the things that a school won't (read shouldn't have to) teach about).
I was a computer geek when the Sinclair ZX81 came out. I learnt machine code and assembly languages blah blah. But that is irrelevant. What I did have was a step father who took the time to do these things with me (note the STEP father bit, my father lived a long way away and was dim in my thoughts at the time, so half the "broken home" excuses can please fuck off, if you don't mind...).
We should never underestimate the amount that our parents influenced our growth. After a point, you become your own man, but it is rare for a child to outlive that most formative set of values imbued within them from an early age.
So where does that get us?
I'm happy playing a game that will allow me to kill someone in the most gruesome way, because I can distinguish the difference between fantasy and reality, but I can't answer the imponderables of this thread without sounding like A. Hitler...:shifty:
However, I have never broken windows, stolen goods, kicked people in the head or shot anyone. Christ, even when I'm drunk I become more of a pacifist than I am when I'm sober....
Keith mate, I agree with you on so many levels, but on this one I can't. To me the issue is not the game per say, it is the ability of the player to distinguish the difference between a game and real life.
This is a much deeper imponderable...
The Xbox / PS3 / PC has become the nanny for too many working couples who can't be arsed to do the hard yards with their children (help with homework, sit down for family meals, educate the things that a school won't (read shouldn't have to) teach about).
I was a computer geek when the Sinclair ZX81 came out. I learnt machine code and assembly languages blah blah. But that is irrelevant. What I did have was a step father who took the time to do these things with me (note the STEP father bit, my father lived a long way away and was dim in my thoughts at the time, so half the "broken home" excuses can please fuck off, if you don't mind...).
We should never underestimate the amount that our parents influenced our growth. After a point, you become your own man, but it is rare for a child to outlive that most formative set of values imbued within them from an early age.
So where does that get us?
I'm happy playing a game that will allow me to kill someone in the most gruesome way, because I can distinguish the difference between fantasy and reality, but I can't answer the imponderables of this thread without sounding like A. Hitler...:shifty:
These rioters are misfits with many having misfit parents.
For what its worth they should shoot looters as they did in the war.
Watching the news as I type this, some misfits wont change there attitudes.
Shoot the misfits or build bigger jails.
most cant even talk properly and have no respect for anyone or anything.
peoples businesses are lost and some lives are lost.
Hang drawn and quarter them.
Other than that 'Have a nice day '
For what its worth they should shoot looters as they did in the war.
Watching the news as I type this, some misfits wont change there attitudes.
Shoot the misfits or build bigger jails.
most cant even talk properly and have no respect for anyone or anything.
peoples businesses are lost and some lives are lost.
Hang drawn and quarter them.
Other than that 'Have a nice day '
Graham,
With the greatest respect I am convinced although some can, many a 6 or 7 year old cannot distinguish the difference.
"Give me the child until he is 7 and I will give you the man" attributed to Francis Xavier,
Terry Oxandale
Skinny Man
It was just recently here in Little Rock where we had a police shooting that was later dismissed as nothing other than an "incident". A retired man left his apartment door open while he was in the room sitting in a chair watching TV. Two police officers saw the open door, went to investigate. This gentleman had no real love of law enforcement and basically told them it was none of their business and to leave. As is usual, you don't tell a police officer what to do or not, even if you're in the right. An argument ensued, which escalated into a scuffle, which escalated to the old man getting shot dead...simply because he left his front door open, and the police couldn't walk away from some stupid-ass altercation that they instigated. Is it any wonder police are looked at more and more as pariah than saviors?
This is why I am so impressed with the control and discipline that the London police have. Yes, I fully understand a need to escalate the response, but at least they had some sense of self control (whether it is their choice or not).
Graham, I am pleased you don't agree with me (at last) :laugh:
GTA is but a tiny cog in a huge grinding machine which serves to desensitize and morally degenerate anyone with a weak mind or, more commonly, those without some kind of education or slack parenting.
There is absolutely nothing to be gained by having a game like GTA in a young persons household but much to be lost. There is hardly a film poster campaign these days, without glaring images of people holding guns - there is hardly a TV programme after (and sometimes before) 9pm without the rider "warning, contains offensive language, violence and scenes of a sexual nature" and with footballers and US style 'Gangstas', Rap Artists and Urban Ghetto 'Elders' seemingly the new role models replacing Church, Boy Scouts and responsible parenting - childrens programmes celebrating the humiliation of their parents - reality shows where routine humiliation is part of the draw, talent shows where some jumped up twat completely destroys young hopefuls in front of a drooling audience, disrespect shown to any kind of authority for laughs - I could go on and on.
You are right Graham, perhaps in isolation GTA does not perhaps lead directly to a breakdown of social order, but what on earth was on the minds of the people that devised it? It is a sick depraved and depressing game glorifying violence and thuggery for 'kicks'. Put it together (and those of it's ilk) with some of the scenarios I paint above and you will enter a gloomy, no hope, violent and aggressive world in which you had better carry a weapon to defend yourself.
Tell me Graham, why is it that a common mantra heard in pubs are blokes relating stories about their wives/girlfriends thinking the soap operas are "real" and yet the full on uncontrolled playing of violent video games cannot possibly be treated by players as being real by apologists such as yourself? You must never look at these things through your own eyes, and never judge others based on the flawed assertion that "well, if it doesn't affect me, it can't affect anyone" which is a statement of supreme unctuousness. Finally the uncontrolled internet is behind much of the attitudes now found in young people. It is there the urban warrior learns his trade and communicates with his peers whilst playing net games of violence and disorder.
If you can remember a time when there was not such a plethora of mind bending virtual digital garbage poisoning the minds of the innocents a riot (and street disturbances) generally signalled that a disadvantaged community was in pain. We learned that lesson (and still are) and we have created a liveable (albeit slightly uneasy) crowded little island full of diverse cultures. What is the difference today?
An uncontrolled amoral media & marketing nightmare. Why is everyone bewildered with this stuff? Throw a domestic docile puppy enough red meat and he'll attack anyone. How can anyone sincerely think that the shit & porn that is being bombarded to the nation on TV, in films, on the internet and in digital 'first person shooter' style gaming over the past 2 decades, has NOT HAD ANY AFFECT?
You have to be joking my friends. I spent almost 50 years entertaining young people and I saw this coming 10 years ago....not only that, I was a central part of creating today's climate for at least 10 years before that.
And for that, I am heartily ashamed of my role in it, but as the Lord moves in Mysterious Ways, I currently have my comeuppance.
I could go on and on ad infinitum ad nauseum. I have been laughed at for spouting this theory locally for quite a few years, but they are not laughing now.
Some kind of control of these money grubbing filthy bastards who poison our children (and adults) is a priority.
Enough already.
(PS and I'll bet you took the piss out of Mary Whitehouse too, didn't you?)
GTA is but a tiny cog in a huge grinding machine which serves to desensitize and morally degenerate anyone with a weak mind or, more commonly, those without some kind of education or slack parenting.
There is absolutely nothing to be gained by having a game like GTA in a young persons household but much to be lost. There is hardly a film poster campaign these days, without glaring images of people holding guns - there is hardly a TV programme after (and sometimes before) 9pm without the rider "warning, contains offensive language, violence and scenes of a sexual nature" and with footballers and US style 'Gangstas', Rap Artists and Urban Ghetto 'Elders' seemingly the new role models replacing Church, Boy Scouts and responsible parenting - childrens programmes celebrating the humiliation of their parents - reality shows where routine humiliation is part of the draw, talent shows where some jumped up twat completely destroys young hopefuls in front of a drooling audience, disrespect shown to any kind of authority for laughs - I could go on and on.
You are right Graham, perhaps in isolation GTA does not perhaps lead directly to a breakdown of social order, but what on earth was on the minds of the people that devised it? It is a sick depraved and depressing game glorifying violence and thuggery for 'kicks'. Put it together (and those of it's ilk) with some of the scenarios I paint above and you will enter a gloomy, no hope, violent and aggressive world in which you had better carry a weapon to defend yourself.
Tell me Graham, why is it that a common mantra heard in pubs are blokes relating stories about their wives/girlfriends thinking the soap operas are "real" and yet the full on uncontrolled playing of violent video games cannot possibly be treated by players as being real by apologists such as yourself? You must never look at these things through your own eyes, and never judge others based on the flawed assertion that "well, if it doesn't affect me, it can't affect anyone" which is a statement of supreme unctuousness. Finally the uncontrolled internet is behind much of the attitudes now found in young people. It is there the urban warrior learns his trade and communicates with his peers whilst playing net games of violence and disorder.
If you can remember a time when there was not such a plethora of mind bending virtual digital garbage poisoning the minds of the innocents a riot (and street disturbances) generally signalled that a disadvantaged community was in pain. We learned that lesson (and still are) and we have created a liveable (albeit slightly uneasy) crowded little island full of diverse cultures. What is the difference today?
An uncontrolled amoral media & marketing nightmare. Why is everyone bewildered with this stuff? Throw a domestic docile puppy enough red meat and he'll attack anyone. How can anyone sincerely think that the shit & porn that is being bombarded to the nation on TV, in films, on the internet and in digital 'first person shooter' style gaming over the past 2 decades, has NOT HAD ANY AFFECT?
You have to be joking my friends. I spent almost 50 years entertaining young people and I saw this coming 10 years ago....not only that, I was a central part of creating today's climate for at least 10 years before that.
And for that, I am heartily ashamed of my role in it, but as the Lord moves in Mysterious Ways, I currently have my comeuppance.
I could go on and on ad infinitum ad nauseum. I have been laughed at for spouting this theory locally for quite a few years, but they are not laughing now.
Some kind of control of these money grubbing filthy bastards who poison our children (and adults) is a priority.
Enough already.
(PS and I'll bet you took the piss out of Mary Whitehouse too, didn't you?)
In Liverpool, the BBC reports that "The violence on Merseyside erupted when a crowd attempted to smash into a cash machine with a mechanical digger in Bootle."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-14475078
Digger = Bulldozer or backhoe
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-14475078
Digger = Bulldozer or backhoe
Believe me mate, much of what you say in your post makes perfect sense and in the round I agree with your sentiments.
I've chosen this paragraph in isolation, because it actually sums up the point that I was trying to make.
It is foolish of me to attribute the same level of intelligence that I have onto those of which this thread is about, and for that I cry pardon (as The Gunslinger would say). I'm not suggesting that I have an Uber brain, far from it, but this thread is about those mindless enough to commit the acts that we have seen unfold, which I clearly am not.
If we take this underclass as a whole, then your point is totally valid. We see desperately skewed TV, guns in every film poster etc and all the time we see people undermining others for kicks and ratings, and yes, this is bound to have a drip drip effect.
If we look at the working middle and middle classes upwards, then we have our eureka moment... these people don't watch that crap, or if they do, they see it for what it is, and then dismiss it as fluff, or something to wash over them after a days work.
So is the tail wagging the dog, which came first? People clamouring for this shit, or a media machine bereft of genuine ideas that has found a willing audience in the underclasses of our society, who for one reason or another believe it to be their moral compass and then act upon it accordingly?
There have been many studies on the effects of violent video games here is one theory.
Violent video games 'desensitise' players
Last updated at 22:01 17 August 2006
Violent video games 'desensitise' players
Violent video games can 'desensitise' players to the horrors of real-life brutality after just 20 minutes of playing, scientists have discovered.
A new study found that students who played graphic games for only a short of period of time were less emotional when later confronted with scenes of real violence, such as beatings, stabbings and shootings.
The findings add to a whole raft of previous research which shows that repeated exposure to screen violence can have a harmful effect on youngsters.
For the latest study, American psychologists carried out experiments on 257 college students, both male and female.
One group was given 20 minutes to play one of four violent games - "Carmageddon", "Mortal Kombat", "Future Cop" and "Duke Nukem".
The other group was given one of four "passive" games to play including "3D Pinball", "Glider Pro", "3D Munch Man" and "Tetra Madness".
Both where then shown ten-minute videos of shootings, stabbings, prison fights, courtroom outbursts, and confrontations with police - and tested for their emotional response. This was measured by their heart rate and perspiration.
Those who had engaged in violent games had 'lowered physiological responses'. In other words, their heart rates were lower and they sweated less.
This showed they had become desensitised to the brutality of the real world, said psychologist Professor Nicholas Carnagey, of Iowa State University, who led the study.
The students who played the non-violent games had increased heart rates and perspiration when they saw the video footage - meaning they were upset by it.
Professor Carnagey said he was 'surprised' at how quickly the games dulled the players' response to real-life violence.
He said: "Students who played violent games for twenty minutes had lower responses when they watched the videos of real-life violence.
"A lot of other studies on exposure to violent video games indicated that we would find this desensitisation but it surprised us that only 20 minutes of exposure was enough to show this effect."
He warned: "It appears that individuals who play violent video games get used to it. They eventually become physiologically numb to it."
The study, published the findings in the Journal of Experimental Social Psychology, said parents should be wary about the effect that violence in PC games and on television has on their children.
Previous research has found that youngsters already predisposed to violence are encouraged to carry out attacks and commit other crimes such as joyriding as a result of playing video games.
However, others studies have shown the graphic games can have a harmful effect even on youngsters with no previous history of aggression.
Professor Mark Griffiths, from the psychology division at Nottingham Trent University, warned that children were more at risk of being affected by violent video games than adults as their brains were not yet fully formed.
Read more: Violent video games 'desensitise' players | Mail Online
Violent video games 'desensitise' players
Last updated at 22:01 17 August 2006
Violent video games 'desensitise' players
Violent video games can 'desensitise' players to the horrors of real-life brutality after just 20 minutes of playing, scientists have discovered.
A new study found that students who played graphic games for only a short of period of time were less emotional when later confronted with scenes of real violence, such as beatings, stabbings and shootings.
The findings add to a whole raft of previous research which shows that repeated exposure to screen violence can have a harmful effect on youngsters.
For the latest study, American psychologists carried out experiments on 257 college students, both male and female.
One group was given 20 minutes to play one of four violent games - "Carmageddon", "Mortal Kombat", "Future Cop" and "Duke Nukem".
The other group was given one of four "passive" games to play including "3D Pinball", "Glider Pro", "3D Munch Man" and "Tetra Madness".
Both where then shown ten-minute videos of shootings, stabbings, prison fights, courtroom outbursts, and confrontations with police - and tested for their emotional response. This was measured by their heart rate and perspiration.
Those who had engaged in violent games had 'lowered physiological responses'. In other words, their heart rates were lower and they sweated less.
This showed they had become desensitised to the brutality of the real world, said psychologist Professor Nicholas Carnagey, of Iowa State University, who led the study.
The students who played the non-violent games had increased heart rates and perspiration when they saw the video footage - meaning they were upset by it.
Professor Carnagey said he was 'surprised' at how quickly the games dulled the players' response to real-life violence.
He said: "Students who played violent games for twenty minutes had lower responses when they watched the videos of real-life violence.
"A lot of other studies on exposure to violent video games indicated that we would find this desensitisation but it surprised us that only 20 minutes of exposure was enough to show this effect."
He warned: "It appears that individuals who play violent video games get used to it. They eventually become physiologically numb to it."
The study, published the findings in the Journal of Experimental Social Psychology, said parents should be wary about the effect that violence in PC games and on television has on their children.
Previous research has found that youngsters already predisposed to violence are encouraged to carry out attacks and commit other crimes such as joyriding as a result of playing video games.
However, others studies have shown the graphic games can have a harmful effect even on youngsters with no previous history of aggression.
Professor Mark Griffiths, from the psychology division at Nottingham Trent University, warned that children were more at risk of being affected by violent video games than adults as their brains were not yet fully formed.
Read more: Violent video games 'desensitise' players | Mail Online
Nick,
Then surely the parents of those children should be brought in front of the beak for being grossly negligent?
You would think so, but as long as there are intelligent people around that scoff at the notion of harm emanating from exposure to this shite, nothing will happen...:blank:
There is no reason on planet earth for these type of "games" to exist.
However, once Pandora's box has been opened it would be almost impossible to stuff it all back in...
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