Look a like IDA Injection.

[Jac Mac]

For all you die hards that must have the 'Weber' look, that have deep pockets & arms to match, but lack the patience & mechanical know how there may now be a solution. Check out Enter The World Of Mustangs With Attitude At Dynatek Racing , and their 'Classic Fuel Injection', they claim this setup can flow up to 2400cfm which would mean 300cfm per runner. Photos are small but it would appear to look very similar to the IDA's, injectors & fuel rails are hidden etc. Bolts on to any IDA manifold.

Other than checking out the website I have no knowledge or experience with the product, maybe some other Forum members have. At 300cfm per runner its still going to come up short on the big capacity stuff.

Jac Mac

 

[JimmyMac]

How's about this manifold I put together a while ago ? The pots are 48mm straight bores to the butterflies with no venturis. Lucas style injectors.
I never tried it but wondered how much power it would give.

 

[Paul Thompson 'Hooligan']

Hi James -

Nice looking setup - Jenvey Dynamics?... I was up there earlier this week as I'm putting a set of 48s on a 347 at the moment. I'll post pics once I have it together.

I always thought about putting a set of injectors/rails below a turkey pan with a set of IDAs on top with the choke element removed to open them up a bit. I still wonder how that would have worked out as you'd have all the retro looks of Webers, but with the reliability and tunability of modern Efi.. and I think without the choke section, they'd surely flow better too..

 

[Mike Pass]

Check out Jenvey IDA style throttle bodies on Jenvey performance induction systems
They do 48mm and 50mm size. Pic attached. They are about £300 each. Air horns about £20 - £40 each. They don't yet do a SBF manifold but John Wisher does them at about £800 each in original FAV style (v. nice).
Cheers
Mike P

 

[Mike Pass]

Hi Paul, Looks like we posted at the same time! Great minds think alike!!
Cheers
Mike

 

Hi Guys
what a nice looking functional set up, sensible price too.
Hi Paul I like your idea with the IDA's might just go for that on my
347 Weslake motor.

Regards

Chris.

 

[Paul Thompson 'Hooligan']

I now have the Jenvey setup, awaiting to be fitted to 347 on an RF.

All looks very nice, centre pull (to rear) mechanism looks good and tbs look easily adjustable for air bypass. The injectors, sized for 450-530 BHP are nice too, 'Pico' items that are really quite small. If id realised just how small they were I might have had a look at the 'hidden injection' concept some time back as I'm sure they fit beneath a turkey pan relatively easily.

This is going to look good though (IMHO) and I look forward to the day she fires up for the 1st time. Throttle dia is 48mm and the trumpets are 40mm as specified, but I have option to swap for 60/90 or 120 should space permit.

A few pics.

 

The picture used by Jenvey in their advertising is the first IDA set up Richard made and was for my car. They are of 50mm bore and I have found them to be faultless in operation on my 7.0ltr motor. Thoroughly recommended !!

 

[Paul Thompson 'Hooligan']

Was working over Roy's today, and remembered the camera for a change, so here are a few pics of the Jenvey install. Obviously its not finished yet..

 

[Dean Lampe]

I saw the Dynateck FI webers in Tulsa at the Shelby meet and they actually look like webers. They have a very slick set up. No fuel rails and weber style fuel lines. It really doesn't look like FI.

 

[chuck smith]

Dean, did they talk about how the system is managed? How does it set up without programming? Programming is the worst part of these weber look systems from what I can gather. I am considering the Mass Flo system since it is true mass system and not speed density,of course it has the carb look not stacks. chuck

 

[Dean Lampe]

They have all the computer stuff to go with their system, complete for around 6k. I really don't understand all that stuff. I just understand the Webers! I think they are much less complicated.:dead:

 

[Jac Mac]

Guys,-- Back To The TOP,

If you now go to the Dynatek site that I posted at the start of this thread they now have decent pics up of the system. This setup actually looks like a set of IDA's, not just a set of throttle plates & trumpets like the others you have posted.
I have no connection etc with Dynatek , nor have I ever used any of their stuff, the Idea of using copy of the basic IDA casting with injectors etc neatly packaged internally out of sight just seems a cool idea particularly in the case of the engines you are now building with greater airflow requirements than the std IDA can deliver, but still retain the 'original look'.

Jac Mac.

 

[JimmyMac]

Jac Mac,
Those pictures of the Weber lookalikes appear to be new to the Dynatek web site.
Vey nice - and I am very interested.

 

[Jac Mac]

So am I , but due to my Scottish ancestry I think I might be casting up my own throttle bodys that 'lookalike', anyone got a spare 58mm IDA that would do for a pattern that is past its use by date?

Jac Mac

 

[Simon]

Does anyone want to see a picture of my 600cfm Holley?.....thought not!
Seriously, fabulous looking stuff!

 

[John Shand]

So am I , but due to my Scottish ancestry I think I might be casting up my own throttle bodys that 'lookalike', anyone got a spare 58mm IDA that would do for a pattern that is past its use by date?

Jac Mac

Hi Jack might be interested in this one two, like the look of ida but want inj may be able to do your machining for you

 

[Kirby Schrader]

With the help of Mike Trusty, I've got a system based on TWM throttle bodies and an Electromotive TEC3r ECU and am in the process of installing it now.

I've got most of the basic installation done. Pending is the trigger wheel, final wiring hookup and tuning.

FWIW,

Kirby

 

[BenL]

Dean, did they talk about how the system is managed? How does it set up without programming? Programming is the worst part of these weber look systems from what I can gather.

The Dynatek page says

# No programming or dyno tuning required
# Self-learning computer system automatically defines fuel tables

Any know how that works?

#Fuel economy improvements of nearly 300% on some carbureted engines.

I doubt that "some" includes a GT40 (30MPG in a GT40???).

 

[Paul Thompson 'Hooligan']

300% improvement on some carb'd engines? - might be possible if the carby was running like a pig!!! - We had a 1760cc crossflow Mk1 mexico many moons ago which with twin 40s was only managing 5-7mpg at one point - eek! I bet fuel injection would have doubled if not trippled that one...

Seriously though, the benefits of injection in my mind are a no brainer.
Looks good - could be made to look like webers - or even use webers as throttle mechanism. None of the spit back you see on webers with radical cams, when setup correctly, no 'flaming antics' when starting a hot engine, better fuel economy (for sure!), more easily tuned/setup once you are familiar with the system being used... I'm rambling now...

Roy's 40 fired up a couple of weeks ago, within 2 turns on the crank, after sitting dormant for 6mths - "ignition on - throttle fully down twice (to wet the manifold), then off the throttle and press the starter button" - 'perfick'...

I will get to inject below a turkey pan soon, below IDAs as someone with a 40 I know is VERY interested.... A project for the Winter months..