More Global Cooling/Warming/Change hoax.

Terry Oxandale

Skinny Man
So what is a "climate realist"? Is it someone that uses the majority of scientific opinion to develop a belief that then represents reality, or is it instead someone who's beliefs, which may be contrary to the majority of scientifc opinion, develops into their reality?

Being the former, I erroneously thought I was a realist. Now I find out I'm what...and idealist? So many people labling me they way they want, it would seem I no longer have any say in who I really am.
 
So what is a "climate realist"? Is it someone that uses the majority of scientific opinion to develop a belief that then represents reality, or is it instead someone who's beliefs, which may be contrary to the majority of scientifc opinion, develops into their reality?

Being the former, I erroneously thought I was a realist. Now I find out I'm what...and idealist? So many people labling me they way they want, it would seem I no longer have any say in who I really am.

Don't know what to make of this statement either, Ox.

You made your opinions on data that has since been proven to be altered to get the required results.

How about a reevaluation?
 

Terry Oxandale

Skinny Man
Don't know what to make of this statement either, Ox.

You made your opinions on data that has since been proven to be altered to get the required results.

How about a reevaluation?

Looking at your statement, I assume you are saying that all the data (no qualifying statement as to what data is inclusive in you statement) that I used to form an opinion has been proven altered.

That is quite a bit a data, and a quite far reaching statement. Would you then say that there is no unaltered data that I used to formulate an opinion...that all the data I've looked at has been falsified?
 

Jeff Young

GT40s Supporter
Pete, been actually racing and trying not to follow the banterings of Lonesome Bob so much any more.

I did just spend an hour trying to sort through the above. Perplexed a bit. First question - did you read or at least scan the 400 page report the woman in the blog article you cited to is so alarmed about? It can be found here:

http://www.dbcde.gov.au/__data/asse...y-into-the-Media-and-Media-Regulation-web.pdf

I think. If that is not it, let me know.

I think a serious discussion should be left until (a) you read the report and (b) you help me with some of the more basic aspects of the right of free speech and the press in Australia.

As you know, the US is different from most other common law countries regarding freedom of speech and the press. There are many things in Australia, and NZ, and the UK and Canada that are superior to what we have here. On the other hand, one thing I think we got right is the near absolute right to free speech. Almost all political speech, even if based on factual errors or just flat out wrong is protected.

One other difference is that our "public" broadcasting is much smaller here in than in the UK (and it sounds like Australia as well). PBS is not nearly the size of and does not reach the audience reached by the mass media in the US. Thus, public broadcasting plays a much larger role in the UK, etc. than here.

So, all of that said, what is going on here?

As I read it, that article starts out with a ringing endorsement of the idea of free press and the need for one in a democracy. It appears to juxtapose that against the concurrent idea that a public broadcasting company must be careful with the facts so as not to disinform.

This appears to be the point of the article: that there must be some standards for objectivity in public broadcasting/reporting in Australia to ensure accuracy. That's a tough task. Obviously a tricky one, to avoid situations like you hint at where legitimate, or minority, criticism is squelched by some "objectivist censor" with the government.

That said, nothing in that article appears directed at "climate realists". It's generic and the idea is to ensure that public broadcasting meets certain minimal qualitive standards in its broadcasting.

Noble goal but a tough one.

In the US, I would say something like this would have a hard time passing muster under the First Amendment so we typically -- typically -- do not have these issues. I would also say that something like this, while well meaning, can be a slippery slope.

But I totally lose the blogger when she ties this solely to "climate realism" or any real attempt in the here and now to censor. This article is merely suggesting that there be objective facts supporting what is reported on the ABC.

Or maybe I am missing something.

And all of that said, I am still waiting for you to pop up on one of Bob's threads and ask him to tone it down and be more civil in his posting. I am at a loss as to why you and Veek are incapable of doing that.
 

Pete McCluskey.

Lifetime Supporter
Pete

And all of that said, I am still waiting for you to pop up on one of Bob's threads and ask him to tone it down and be more civil in his posting. I am at a loss as to why you and Veek are incapable of doing that.

I obviously cannot speak for Veek, but I think anyone including Bob who has to
descend into personal denigration of the individual has lost the debate/argument.
And no I haven't read the full 400 page report, but will do so and give you my take on it.
How did you go in the race?
 

Pete McCluskey.

Lifetime Supporter
Phew, I just finished scanning the report, heavy going indeed. Paragraphs 31-4
and 4.42 condemn various media sources for questioning climate change.
Finklestein states that the ABC Australian Broadcasting Commission is the least biased in their reporting. That is total nonsense the ABC is renown for it's left wing bias. Not surprising as they are funded by the Government.
Finklestein recommends setting up a regulatory body to control the media.
Rather than me rabbit on, the Australian Financial Review is not a tabloid but a highly respected business newspaper this report spells out the concerns better than I could.
Finkelstein report threatens to muzzle free speech
 

Jeff Young

GT40s Supporter
4.42 says this:

4.42 In his response to Professor Manne’s work, Paul Kelly who is The Australian’s editor-at-large,
did not refute Manne’s statistics
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One reason for the public’s backlash making carbon pricing so unpopular was the precise
attitude [Manne] took. While pretending to be rational his rejection of debate was really
faith-based dogmatism and the Australian public didn’t like being told what to think by
patronising experts.

This was just being used as an example of reporting where the underlying facts were wrong.

I can't find "31-4".

I still don't see in any focus on climate change in this 400 page report. What I see is an attempt to ensure that public media sources have some basic level of objectivity when reporting.

I agree that is potentially a slippery slope. But I don't think it is some mass conspiracy to squelch the speech of "climate realists" and really think that the woman in the original blog article you posted is a bit off her rocker.
 

Jeff Young

GT40s Supporter
I actually won Saturday from the pole, was happy with that. THanks for asking.

The Financial Review articles is a MUCH better critique than the blogger. Actual analysis. And I do agree this is a slippery slope, even though the first step is well intentioned.

I again think we got this "right" in the US where if it is political speech, no "review body" gets to determine if they think it is accurate or not.
 
Bob
Engineer to be smaller with cat like eyes , and take drugs to not eat meat .
Maybe it happens . Then little grey , big eyed people show up post change , via time travel or dimension shift , to try to figure out how to undo it .
Or just to exact revenge by probing us , and mutilating cows .
Mean while the planet still does what ever it does ....
 

Voices of reason keep surfacing!

http://washingtonexaminer.com/polit...demn-nasa’s-global-warming-endorsement/469366


"In an unprecedented slap at NASA’s endorsement of global warming science, nearly 50 former astronauts and scientists--including the ex-boss of the Johnson Space Center--claim the agency is on the wrong side of science and must change course or ruin the reputation of the world’s top space agency."
 
"The main goal of the much-touted, Rio + 20 United Nations Conference on Sustainable Development, scheduled to be held in Brazil from June 20-23, and which Obama Administration officials have supported, is to make dramatic and enormously expensive changes in the way that the world does nearly everything—or, as one of the documents puts it, "a fundamental shift in the way we think and act."
 
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