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Howard Jones

Supporter
Larry, Annoying? You bet I am!

BUT as to COMMON sense. Hummmmmmmmm.... maybe.....someday making sense will be common. America hangs in the balance.
 
The Tea party...what a bunch of radicals. What extremists. What anarchists. Whatloons, right? I mean, what else could one call a group of people who want LESS govt - not MORE? 'Who want a balanced budget and a end to huge govt debt and deficits. 'Who want government to adhere to the constitution? 'Who don't want to see a government 'handout' program for every group that demands one. Who want less regulation and fewer laws? 'Who work within the system to try to bring about the changes they want. I mean, really, how off the wall can some people be? The fools act and sound like another group of numbskulls who lived some 230+ years ago.

I think at this point it's time to 'bag' this thread and pop down to Florida for a 'toddy' with Jack. He'll have to buy though. After all, the "other guy" should always have to pick up my tab.

The radical part is when they try to defund birth cotrol, when they talk about god and a few other things. The key economic message is fine its allt he other looney idea that cloud the picture fataly. I have no issue with cutting speding, making taxes fair getting rid of loopholes etc, but then stay on point. Not everyone wants a social policy driven by a medeival text pre4sented by people apparently shorn of reality. This is where the Tea partry falls short. I want the core message voted in, to do so you need to stay on point.

If you want stats and pols the one not reported is that 70% of voters think the debt and gove speding is the problem.

As to taxes it seems voters view is tax as, tax he, tax thee, tax him behind the tree but dont tax me. If it goes up or down, then I would say in the words of our leader for fairness its up or down for everybody. Then we will see how everyone feels.

You know of all nations we have the single most prgressive system in the world, with the largest share of tax paid by the well off compared to any other country.

Funny how Buffet and gates are so loved by the left for their philanthropy, yet they dont leave their $$$ to the state, even they know its wasted there.
 
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Larry L.

Lifetime Supporter
The radical part is when they try to defund birth cotrol, when they talk about god and a few other things.

Yeeeeup...it's really "loony' to be against paying for the killing of the unborn and paying for other people's birth control, isn't it. I mean, BOTH are "rights"...therefore, people are entitled to having someone else pay for both, aren't they. And anyone who even mentions God just has to be a total raving, screaming loon, doesn't he. Heeeeeeeeeey, but we can all talk to-and-about 'Allah' all day long. Noooooo problemo. Shoot, we'll even provide foot baths on the taxpayer's dime for those who want to do that.


I'm heading for the airport NOW, Jack. Get the Bacardi 151 ready...:sneaky:
 
I still say, "who am I to stop my enemy from killing their own." I believe that the vast majority of Conservatives would want their child to live, even if that meant adoption, radical as that may sound to some.
 
Yeeeeup...it's really "loony' to be against paying for the killing of the unborn and paying for other people's birth control, isn't it. I mean, BOTH are "rights"...therefore, people are entitled to having someone else pay for both, aren't they. And anyone who even mentions God just has to be a total raving, screaming loon, doesn't he. Heeeeeeeeeey, but we can all talk to-and-about 'Allah' all day long. Noooooo problemo. Shoot, we'll even provide foot baths on the taxpayer's dime for those who want to do that.


I'm heading for the airport NOW, Jack. Get the Bacardi 151 ready...:sneaky:

Some disagree as to what is an unborn child, Since we should resopect the constitution and the court established therein if you have an issue take it up witht he court. If we want fiscaly sound people elected, then lets get past issues which are social and vote killers. Despite what some people think the two are not linked. Practical reality says athat a fiscaly sound party anti gay and anti reproductive rights is not going to get more than 30% of the vote. There is a degree to which we have to be realistic and poractical.

This country was not founded to protect any particular set of religious beliefs. And there are ven various forms of chrsitianity. We should get religion out of elections, it has no place there either way.

In my opinion we shouldnt be using taxpayer dollars for a whole lot of things.
 
I still say, "who am I to stop my enemy from killing their own." I believe that the vast majority of Conservatives would want their child to live, even if that meant adoption, radical as that may sound to some.

No problem, just dont impose that view on others. You morality is fine for you and your kin to the extent they choose to follow it. Where we differ is in the definition of an unborn child. I dont think it starts at conception, and by any inate moral code it for sure starts before 6 months. Either way i am not prpepared to risk losing elections and thereby flushing the country down the toliet over it. same thing with gay marriage, its really not govermemnts buisness. If we want gov out of our lives its out, not in when particular groups think it should be.

Gov has a definition as to when life begins, if you disagree fight it in the courts. Elections are not a proper place for this view and it kills the credibility of the rest of us who are fiscaly conservative/realsitic.
 

Larry L.

Lifetime Supporter
Some disagree as to what is an unborn child, Since we should resopect the constitution and the court established therein if you have an issue take it up witht he court...

Bull feathers, sir. "The court" isn't qualified to make 'biological decisions', if you will. Seriously. It ISN'T. The justices' supposed 'expertise' is in the area of legal matters...what is and is not 'constitutional', etc.....and they've demonstrated their pathetic, flawed, sad inadequacies in THAT area more than once already.

As I opined before, not one biological step from conception to birth can be bypassed or there can be no birth. Therefore logic screeeeeeams that a new life does in fact begin at conception...it has to...unless maybe we take the view that the sperm and egg are not themselves 'alive' when conception happens. :squint: Conception starts the whole process in motion. W/O conception, none of the rest of the process happens.

'Might help to visualize building a new house. When can one logically say that the physical construction of said house begins? When the wall studs go up? 'Not likely...and that's effectually what you are suggesting re: when life begins.

Now, as what's-his-name on FOX always says, let's let the reader decide, 'cause you and I are n-e-v-e-r going to persuade the other to 'cross over'! :nice: :chug:
 
Strongly agree Larry, however, I do say let the muzzies have at each other all they want. Less to worry about later.
flame suit on!
 
Bull feathers, sir. "The court" isn't qualified to make 'biological decisions', if you will. Seriously. It ISN'T. The justices' supposed 'expertise' is in the area of legal matters...what is and is not 'constitutional', etc.....and they've demonstrated their pathetic, flawed, sad inadequacies in THAT area more than once already.

As I opined before, not one biological step from conception to birth can be bypassed or there can be no birth. Therefore logic screeeeeeams that a new life does in fact begin at conception...it has to...unless maybe we take the view that the sperm and egg are not themselves 'alive' when conception happens. :squint: Conception starts the whole process in motion. W/O conception, none of the rest of the process happens.

'Might help to visualize building a new house. When can one logically say that the physical construction of said house begins? When the wall studs go up? 'Not likely...and that's effectually what you are suggesting re: when life begins.

Now, as what's-his-name on FOX always says, let's let the reader decide, 'cause you and I are n-e-v-e-r going to persuade the other to 'cross over'! :nice: :chug:

I would say a foundation is just the beginning, something that may potentialy be a house but is not yet so. In fact till the frame is a walled in and a roof on its not a house but a building project, which if abadoined will go to weeds pretty quickly. After its walled and aroof on we are talking finishing which is the same as birth.

As to whether the juustices have the epertise, doctors by and large agree with them, and they do have the expertise. A religious text has no expertise in a country where church and state are seperate. The justices do have the expertise to weigh in on moral issues devoid of religious dogama, that is how they rise in the ranks of the court system, they are the learned men and women.

All of which is irrelevant for two reasons. Either you belive in our constitution or dont. If you dont you are no different to some libs. If you do then you must respect the court even when you disagree, just as for example libs must respect the court on the second, w emay not liek the decisons but either we respect and believe in our system or we dont.

Additionaly from a practical and realistic perspective we must tolerate peole who view social issues differently, if not fiscal conservatism will always be a fringe element. I dont want to wait for national armageddon to try fix things. I have seen that in other countries, and yeah its fun to be a lord on a horse with a gun, but short of that its just plain broken miserable and unfixable.

So to the extent that abortion is already legal and happening. And to the extent that we need to change things fiscaly as a priority, do you think its possible for people such as yourself to drop this(abortion) as an election issue. Fight it in the corts, in the media, protehlatise all you want, but leave it out of elections, because this is the single largest reason that keeps conservative economics from running the show.
 
Bull feathers, sir. "The court" isn't qualified to make 'biological decisions', if you will. Seriously. It ISN'T. The justices' supposed 'expertise' is in the area of legal matters...what is and is not 'constitutional', etc.....and they've demonstrated their pathetic, flawed, sad inadequacies in THAT area more than once already.

As I opined before, not one biological step from conception to birth can be bypassed or there can be no birth. Therefore logic screeeeeeams that a new life does in fact begin at conception...it has to...unless maybe we take the view that the sperm and egg are not themselves 'alive' when conception happens. :squint: Conception starts the whole process in motion. W/O conception, none of the rest of the process happens.

'Might help to visualize building a new house. When can one logically say that the physical construction of said house begins? When the wall studs go up? 'Not likely...and that's effectually what you are suggesting re: when life begins.

Now, as what's-his-name on FOX always says, let's let the reader decide, 'cause you and I are n-e-v-e-r going to persuade the other to 'cross over'! :nice: :chug:

I would say a foundation is just the beginning, something that may potentialy be a house but is not yet so. In fact till the frame is a walled in and a roof on its not a house but a building project, which if abadoined will go to weeds pretty quickly. After its walled and aroof on we are talking finishing which is the same as birth.

As to whether the juustices have the epertise, doctors by and large agree with them, and they do have the expertise. A religious text has no expertise in a country where church and state are seperate. The justices do have the expertise to weigh in on moral issues devoid of religious dogama, that is how they rise in the ranks of the court system, they are the learned men and women.

All of which is irrelevant for two reasons. Either you belive in our constitution or dont. If you dont you are no different to some libs. If you do then you must respect the court even when you disagree, just as for example libs must respect the court on the second, w emay not liek the decisons but either we respect and believe in our system or we dont.

Additionaly from a practical and realistic perspective we must tolerate peole who view social issues differently, if not fiscal conservatism will always be a fringe element. I dont want to wait for national armageddon to try fix things. I have seen that in other countries, and yeah its fun to be a lord on a horse with a gun, but short of that its just plain broken miserable and unfixable.

So to the extent that abortion is already legal and happening. And to the extent that we need to change things fiscaly as a priority, do you think its possible for people such as yourself to drop this(abortion) as an election issue. Fight it in the corts, in the media, protehlatise all you want, but leave it out of elections, because this is the single largest reason that keeps conservative economics from running the show.
 
I say again, let the readers decide.

Well if the readers represent the voters, then they dont support your position, and fiscal conservatives with the country loose because of some injecting religious dogma into what should be an economic debate. Religious dogma debates belong in the supreme court, the voting public seems pretty strong on this.

People by majority do definitly want to limit speding, they dont want to limit spending badly enough to turn back the clock on what is termed social progress, which is the choice repubilcans offer.

Asoon as you mix conservative orthodoox social views in with fiscal conservatism, you effectively kill the cause of fiscal conservatism and thereby the future of the nation.
 
I'm still wondering about the neatly painted metal signs that magically appeared at all of the the National monuments, etc. on the day of the shutdown that read
"This facility is closed because of the government shutdown" or similar.
Where did these come from? Already purchased in anticipation or what?

And, they say 800,000 non-essential gov't workers were furloughed without pay.
If they are non-essential, why do we need them in the first friggin place!

The cluster-fuck continues...
 

Larry L.

Lifetime Supporter
And, they say 800,000 non-essential gov't workers were furloughed without pay.
If they are non-essential, why do we need them in the first friggin place!

Either 92% or 93% (depending on the reporter/network/paper) of the EPA's employees are thusly classified!!! What should that tell everyone about the EPA?
 

Jim Craik

Lifetime Supporter
From Politico......

While voters are angry with everyone in Washington, Republicans continue to see the brunt of the blame and growing disapproval, according to a new poll out Monday.
Seventy-four percent of Americans disapprove of the way Republicans in Congress are handling negotiations over the budget, the Washington Post-ABC News poll shows. This is up four points from last week’s poll and up 11 points since the start of the shutdown.

The longer it goes, the worse it gets...................

The "Stupid Party" continues to show how they earned that name!

They have lost the Women vote!
They have lost the Minority vote!
They have lost the poor vote!
They have lost the Gay vote!
They have lost the Immigrent vote!
Now they are losing the angry old men yelling at chairs vote!
 
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marc

Lifetime Supporter
A poll by the Post and ABC is just another sodomy of reality. Maybe when they decide to actually go out of the building and go to a diverse and clear cross section of America you may find this more factual.
Maybe Im supposed to feel bad for all those government workers not being paid. Although whether they went to work or not they will be paid for sitting on their butts for two or more weeks doing nothing which is what they probably do when they are at work.
 

Jim Craik

Lifetime Supporter
So Marc,

You think it is bad polls that are the problem, you think people are not angry with Republicans?

Its all just bad polling...........really?

You think the Fox/Consevative polls are the way to go?

You know, the ones that said Romney would win big in Ohio, would become President and Republicans would also take the Senate and increase there house majority.

You prefer to believe those polls?
 
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