More USA political questions

[marc]

I don't believe any polls. They are meant to be a fallacious fact that "they" can lean on to prop up their case because I have seen how polls are conducted. Also how they are manipulated by the person or appendage paying the bill. Do you think they walk up to you and ask one question? Really? They qualify with a number of questions so they can disallow those that don't meet the paradigm. Do you get to read the whole poll, no. Smokem if you got em.

 

[marc]

Don't think its only the polling Jim, Politico is right down the middle aren't they. Jim your missing the point. The problem is The Congress, House and Senate are wasting money, time and the American strength of Bipartisanship, by acting like a bunch of 5 year olds. The Dems want it their way or no way, and the Repubs want changes or no way. Pointing at polls and saying we won the election so Nahnahnahnah isn't working either (another 5 year old's stunt).
Senate - House: Put on your big boy pants, and NEGOTIATE. Don't think the cameras and the fodder of Fox or MSNBC is going to do your job for you. Right now they all should be put in the old age home as they all have Alzheimers they forgot what they said yesterday.
Jim, I was thinking more of what to do with a pole(sip), ya know. ;')

 

[Sean]

So Marc,

You think it is bad polls that are the problem, you think people are not angry with Republicans?

Its all just bad polling...........really?

You think the Fox/Consevative polls are the way to go?

You know, the ones that said Romney would win big in Ohio, would become President and Republicans would also take the Senate and increase there house majority.

You prefer to believe those polls?

Lets be fair here.
Based on what isaw today republicans were comming up with something very very close to what thesenate was comming up with. For Dems to say we are not even going to comsidder it is a way of saying F-off. That is somehting that any grou with pride is going to fight against.

Frankly the dems are stubborn spoiled chilldren and the repubilcans foolish chilldren. I am looking for soe adults.

Its Bizzare a 3rd rate ice cream salesman could have negotiated between the two bills to a happy conclusion easily. It seems a that Harry reid et al were only negotiating to look good, any excuse to get the other side toblow up they take it, and the other side wants to blow up too.

Does anyone there care about the country.

I say from what i have seen, with rare eceptions we need to throw the lot out. Selfish vote gtting pork barrel politics is all either party knows, and now it boils down tot his for all to see. Even when they are a few woprds off, they cant help f-ing it up.

When I look at the insults being hurled by the Dems I see chilldren taunting. When I look at the rebubs I see petulant chilldren.

 

[Jack]

Taunting, petulant, pork, oh my! Perhaps treasonous as well...
Let's tar & feather the lot! Any votes for that?

 

[TimB]

Taunting, petulant, pork, oh my! Perhaps treasonous as well...
Let's tar & feather the lot! Any votes for that?

Aye!!

 

[Al Wohlstrom]

From the very top down. Won't negotiate? WTF!!!

 

[Jim Craik]

As I said last week, there was absolutly ZERO chance of this Repulican extortion attempt working..........ZERO!

But that did not stop the selfish consevatives from fucking the country for what they hoped would be short term politica gain. In the end, they didn't get political gain, only a huge loss................

The stupid party strikes again!

Government shutdown: Cost could be up to $24 billion


If the goal of the government shutdown was to help taxpayers by curbing government spending and boosting the economy, supporters of the idea got it all wrong.




As the dust settles, economists are adding up the collateral damage. The results aren’t pretty:

• The loss of government services during the three-week shutdown will take a roughly $3.1 billion bite out of gross domestic product, according to economists at IHS Global Insight. That represents just the hit from lost government services.
• The shutdown also forced non-government business losses, temporary layoffs and other interruptions in business spending. The full extent of the damage won’t be known for some time. Economists at Standard & Poor’s estimate the total cost at about $24 billion, or a 0.6 percent GDP haircut. Others guess it's about half that. Either way, it's a heavy price to pay.
• Then there's the loss in U.S. economic prestige, which is also hard to gauge, but keeps getting whittled away every time Washington goes into gridlock over spending.

“The exact impact on the rest of the economy will be hard to measure until delayed economic data are released,” according to the research note by IHS economists Doug Handler and Paul Edelstein.
But they estimate the economy will grow at just a 1.6 percent annual rate in the last three months of the year – less than the 2.2 percent they had expected if the government had stayed open.
Those tens of billions of dollars of lost economic activity (along with a shortfall in government taxes on that activity) were obliterated by a political standoff that produced little more than a pact to try again to reach a long-term agreement in three months.

 

[TimB]

Jim just what does that additional $1trillion in debt ceiling cost us Americans......
Reminds me a lot of Matt 7:3 "Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?

 

[Jim Craik]

Tim,

There is no doubt that we are spending more than we are taking in. We need to raise taxes and cut spending!

The last time we had Republicans in charge, they cut taxes, incresed spending and started two needless wars that we are still paying for!

Anyone can tell you that cutting taxes and increasing spending will raise the debt...........right?

It is extimated that as of 2010 $2.5 trillion of debt came from the Bush tax cuts alone. We are still living with the loss of income and increased spending.

Yes we need to cut spending and increase taxes.

Tim, do you think that further damaging the economy and losing tax income due to the shutdown is helping?

Let me ask you this, if you take out the Reagan/Bush tax cuts and their increased Government spending would we even be talking about this now?

 

[TimB]

I'm not convinced that we damaged the economy 24 Billion just because PresBo and Nancy say we did. The fact remains that yes we need to cut spending and raise revenue but thus far even your team has not shown a stomach to do so. Trying to force action in this case I think was warranted. The mere fact that Obama told us that raising the debt limit was not actually increasing our debt shows how disingenuous he his and how stupid he thinks the American public is.

 

[Jim Craik]

I'm not convinced that we damaged the economy 24 Billion just because PresBo and Nancy say we did. The mear fact that Obama told us that raising the debt limit was not actually increasing our debt shows how disingenuous he his and how stupid he thinks the American public is.

Tim,

A couple of things:

(1) It was not "PresBo and Nancy" who said the shudown cost the economy $24 billion, it was Standard & Poor's.

(2) President Obams was correct, raising debt ceiling did not increase our debt. Raising the debt ceiling only allowed us to pay for government we have already received!

 

[Larry L.]

Let me ask you this, if you take out the Reagan/Bush tax cuts and their increased Government spending would we even be talking about this now?

We don't need to increase taxes! THE FED GOVT IS TAKING IN MORE REVENUE TODAY THAN IT EVER HAS. The problem - as USUAL - is, congress is spending and borrowing even more, and Obama - just like BUSH - isn't vetoing a danged thing in that department. In fact, HE'S calling for even more spending.

S-P-E-N-D-I-N-G needs to be cut - big time. THAT's the problem.

A child of three could figure that one out...

 

[Jim Craik]

Yes Larry the economy is growing, the GDP is growing and the poulation is growing, Government revenue has always been increasing, but so has spending.

What would a child of three tell you about cutting taxes and increasing spending.

 

[Pat]

Jim, then in looking at your chart, it raises the simple question, if what Mr. Bush did was so bad, why does Mr. Obama continue to do it as indicated by the "current policies" tag on your chart? I'm also confused as to why the chart makes no reference to the largest federal expenditures, Medicare/Medicade and Social Security. It can't be "other debt" because that curve is declining.
The nation is out of Iraq, will be out of Afghanistan, Mr. Obama significantly increased taxes but the curve on your chart accelerates.

Seriously, I'm trying to understand your point.

 

[TimB]

Tim,



(2) President Obams was correct, raising debt ceiling did not increase our debt. Raising the debt ceiling only allowed us to pay for government we have already received!

Now now Jim do you honestly think he has no intention of spending it if he has it? If not then there would be no need to raise it. This further highlights the need to slash the size and scope of the government we have....thus the standoff

 

[Jim Craik]

Pat,

Bush lowered taxes and raised spending, the lower tax rates as well as higher spending were inherited from Bush, the tax rates and spending did not automaticlly revert when Obama took office.

Obviously the only spending cuts that will make a real differance are SS, Medicare and the Military, these all need to be adjusted.

As for you comment: "Mr. Obama significantly increased taxes" other that a slight increase on multy millionaires, you will have to show me where we significantly raised taxes, I must have missed that.

 

[Pete McCluskey.]

O.K. Lets concede Jim that Americas current debt crisis is all down to Bush. Happy now?
What is Obama going to do to fix the problem?

 

[Jim Craik]

O.K. Lets concede Jim that Americas current debt crisis is all down to Bush. Happy now?
What is Obama going to do to fix the problem?

No Pete, all Americas problems are not caused by the Reagan Bush spending and tax cuts, but most of them are.

When I hear people blaming the current administration for all the debt, I will always point out the truth.

That said, we need to raise taxes and we need to cut spending. The big three need cuts......

We need to cut military spending, there is no good reason for us to spend more on our military than the next 10 countries combined.

People are living longer, we need to move out the age that Social Security kicks in.

People are living longer, we need to move out the age that Medicare kicks in.

Now tell me how this can happen when all the Consevatives have signed a pledge to never raise taxes?

 

[Larry L.]

(2) President Obams was correct, raising debt ceiling did not increase our debt.

Oooooooooooooooh, I see! So, the additional borrowed money generated by raising the debt ceiling is coming to us interest free then???

Please take a course or two in basic economics and finance and get back to me...I'm getting a headache.

 

[Jim Craik]

Larry, try and pay attention, the raising of the debt ceiling allows us to pay for services we have already received, you know, bills that came due TODAY, Thursday 11/17/2013!

You know money that the Government has already spent!