Multiculturalism

[Jack]

Veek, +1. Well said.

 

[Nick]

I work in a multicultural situation; a hospital where people are from all over the planet. It seems to work fine for us. We seem to get along alright.

I went to a multicultural school, work in a multicultural company and it seems to work fine here as well.

It's the poverty that breeds the danger, not "multiculuralism."

What concerns ME the most is this incessant desire to convince ourselves that we are under siege from all Muslims who want to turn our countries into sharia-law based religious oligarchies. That certainly is the goal of a small number of Muslims, just like a small number of Christians would like to see Saudi Arabia convert to protestantism, etc.

But the vast majority of Muslims ARE peaceful, and live lives just like ours. President Bush knew this, so what is wrong with you guys?

Jeff,

Spot on.

 

[Jeff Young]

If you can accept that the "dangerous elements" you point to are in the minority, perhaps extreme minority, in refusing to be "assimilated" then we agree on most of this.

The difference is whether an ethnic group wishes to assimilate. Multiculturalism at its face advances that separation; segregation and resultant societal divide is somehow the best way to enhance western society. (Martin Luther King must be rolling over in his grave.) Those that have assimilated, such as the Asian and Indian Muslim populations in the U.S., are prosperous and average incomes and education far exceed the national average. Their presence here goes to back Colonial Times. They are as far as I can tell, great Americans.
However the dangerous elements that have been involved in so much of the violence seem to be in the more recent immigrants who have carried their anti-American sentiments with them. For example, the Egyptian cleric, Omar Abdel-Rahman is now serving a jail sentence for his involvement in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. He had a long history of involvement with Islamist and jihadi groups before arriving in the U.S. It seems that most of the recent attacks (the 9/11 attacks, Shoe Bomber, Times Square Bomber, Ft Dix) fall into this category. Others like the Islamic Thinkers Society (a Muslim group based in New York City) seek the goal of restoring the Islamic Caliphate to create what they call "an ideal Islamic society." Doesn't seem like they are trying very hard to be good neighbors.

 

[Ian K]

If you can accept that the "dangerous elements" you point to are in the minority, perhaps extreme minority, in refusing to be "assimilated" then we agree on most of this.

Well, that and understand that "multiculturalism" and "assimilation" need not be mutually exclusive.

Ian

 

[Jim Craik]

Guys,

This is nothing new, just look up Yellow Jurnalism, a portion of the American press has always painted some minority group as the WORST THING EVER, mostly because there were always insecure folks who believe their hate.

These groups have included

The American Indians
The Catholics
The Spanish
The Irish
The Italians
The Chinese
The Jews
The Mexicans


There were always lots people with lots of "true" stories to make the hate real

We have often believed these lies/exaggerations and treated these folks in some of the most horrific ways.

Now in retrospect, we feel great remorse for the treatment dished out to these poor people.

Now they are doing the same to Muslums.......

When will they ever learn..........

Why don't we as a group try and rise above the hate! Not add to it!

Read the list of groups, each one, at one time was the "worlds biggest problem" in each and every instance the fear and retribution was far worse than the deeds.

 

[Jeff Young]

Agreed.

Well, that and understand that "multiculturalism" and "assimilation" need not be mutually exclusive.

Ian

 

[John Fitzpatrick]

I have a hard time equating crime with poverty. There are just too many examples of poor societies with low crime rates not to see that as an excuse. But you make a valid point Jim- every religion, nationality, and race has been hated and victimized by some group at one time or another. Sadly, it's the dark side of human nature.

 

[Jeff Young]

You do not believe poverty is a recognized cause of a lot of crime? Perhaps even the most predominate one?

You'd have a lot of criminologists disagreeing with you.

 

[Tom P]

Tom,

Once again, I will try and explain to you how the media works.

This vidio that you believe to strongly in came from "The 700 Club".

Tom, I'm sure you know that the 700 Club is "The Pat Robertson" Christian Brodcasting network. You knew that RIGHT!

Guys, try thinking for your self!

Do you really think that you will get honest information about Muslums from the "Christian Braocasting Newtwork"??????


Tom, you say I have my head in the sand, we all know where your head is!

That video came from CBN, and there is no reason to be rude. Here are a few more videos (there are many, many more) of the muslim problem you prefer to ignore.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0CKt1R5MsE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRnP-XzB_U0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5QSWgeSNt4
http://muxlim.com/videos/AlJazeeraEng/french-riots-continue-27-nov-07/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocU5x_03MDM&p=88401DF0F480355E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9LrvkXRQXQ&p=88401DF0F480355E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9LrvkXRQXQ&p=88401DF0F480355E
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=100961321
http://islaminaction08.blogspot.com/2009/07/michiganmuslim-mob-surrounds-and.html

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[Jeff Young]

We get it Tom. You hate Muslims.
And Christians never kill.

Geebus.

 

[Tom P]

We get it Tom. You hate Muslims.
And Christians never kill.

Geebus.

I don't hate anyone, Jim is saying that this isn't happening, it is. It doesn't matter that CBN showed the video, it wasn't as if it was staged. All religions kill, or have killed at some time in the name of their god. The muslims are doing it now. There is a problem and saying it's not there won't make it go away. Your response is typical, make it my fault.

 

[Jeff Young]

Ok, to be fair then post a listing of all murders committed by Christians in the US since 1973 so we can discuss the "Christian problem."

Go!

 

[Tom P]

Ok, to be fair then post a listing of all murders committed by Christians in the US since 1973 so we can discuss the "Christian problem."

Go!

That would be another thread, have at it! Let's do the Christian sects individually. And lawyers as well, so we can discuss the "lawyer problem."

 

[Jeff Young]

You seem to be coming around. So you understand now that this is a "people problem" and not a "Muslim problem?"

Answer wisely! My continuing faith in the goodnes of man depends on it!

 

[Tom P]

You seem to be coming around. So you understand now that this is a "people problem" and not a "Muslim problem?"

Answer wisely! My continuing faith in the goodnes of man depends on it!

Why do the people that commit these acts say things like "Allahu Akbar", that would be a Muslim phrase of praise to Allah. Wouldn't this make it a Muslim act done by Islam believing people in the name of Allah? Is that a correct assumption?

 

[Pete McCluskey.]

"We get it Tom. You hate Muslims and Christians never kill"

I was wondering when someone would pull the racist card out of the pack,
it seems that whenever someone criticises a minority group and someone looks like loosing the debate they fall back on the you're a racist accusation.
We should be better than that.
I have Muslim neighbors and they are good people, good neighbors.
But when a radical Imam stands up and voices his hate against Americans and Australians, which he can in our country, because we believe in free speech, what do they do? Answer remain silent. Why? Why if they want to assimilate into our society and become good citizens don't they voice their opposition to what radical Muslims are saying and doing?
Are they scared of the consequences of speaking out? Or do they think that having all Australia under Sharia law might be a worthwhile goal?
Either answer scares the shit out of me.
If posting this makes me a racist in your eyes, so be it.

 

[David Morton]

I was following this discussion until the race thing reared up.
I'd like to be associated with Pete's remarks.

 

[T. Stinchfield]

I'd like to reply as I do have a real insight into this issue. I am an American who is currently living in Germany; a multicultural country that seems to be doing fine. There are complaints and issues with immigration (as with every country), though I have never seen any issues of violence, radicalized religion, or even hate from the Germans towards the immigrants. Actually, the mentality here is the rich Russians are by far the worst immigrants with their egotistical ways and lavish lifestyles that conflict with the common German ideals.
I have worked with several Muslim people, all of whom were no different than the Christian, Jewish or Buddhist people with which I work. A note to Americans: From my point of view there is no problem with radical Islam in Europe! Don't believe it.
This news report, however, did seem very racist. In fact, the emphasis of the disenfranchised "WHITE" French people seems very odd. Why did they have to add that the native French people were white? Would it matter if the French people in Question were of African descent, yet French citizens? This video seems to have false facts, and a racist agenda. I would like to hear from some of our French colleagues on this issue.

 

[Jeff Young]

Wrong and simplistic and simple minded.

You can point out violence caused by Muslims all you want. That's fine. But when you generalize and essentially say we have a "Muslim problem" because "Muslims are violent" you are going to get called out. Muslims are no different than many others. The vast majority are peaceful folk; some are violent.

So you need to clarify what you are saying Pete when you post a link from the ridiculous (and it is ridiculous) Christian Broadcasting Network. Are you saying that we have a "Muslim problem" or are you pointing out that their are virulent and violent strains of all religions and races?

If the latter fine.

"We get it Tom. You hate Muslims and Christians never kill"

I was wondering when someone would pull the racist card out of the pack,
it seems that whenever someone criticises a minority group and someone looks like loosing the debate they fall back on the you're a racist accusation.
We should be better than that.
I have Muslim neighbors and they are good people, good neighbors.
But when a radical Imam stands up and voices his hate against Americans and Australians, which he can in our country, because we believe in free speech, what do they do? Answer remain silent. Why? Why if they want to assimilate into our society and become good citizens don't they voice their opposition to what radical Muslims are saying and doing?
Are they scared of the consequences of speaking out? Or do they think that having all Australia under Sharia law might be a worthwhile goal?
Either answer scares the shit out of me.
If posting this makes me a racist in your eyes, so be it.

 

[Jeff Young]

THat's because you'd rather not think critically about this and would just rather say "Muslims are bad?"

I was following this discussion until the race thing reared up.
I'd like to be associated with Pete's remarks.