Oh....that explains it!

[Jim Craik]

Bud,

We have waited several hours (almost 4) for you to defend your comment.

Are you really like Damian, Al and the other "consirvatives" who make brash statments, then when asked a question or asked to defend their comments YOU HEAR NOTHING!!!!!!!!

You'r lack of answers leads me to believe that you have no answer and are just blowing smoke.

Trying to have a discussion with concervatives is often like talking to the wall!

If I say something is "A LOAD OF CRAP" I follow that up with why.

If I am asked a question I try very hard to answer it, it is called a discussion.

Bud

I'm sorry if this sounds a little strong, but just not likeing something that is said does not make it "CRAP".

Something is crap if it is wrong. If something is wrong then you should easly be able to show it is wrong.

 

[Terry Oxandale]

I always attributed my move to teaching what I used to do, and then moving back into the organization, as the best "professional development" move I could have made. I now recognize it wasn't even me doing it, but instead it was my superior LQ (liberal quotient) all along. :laugh4:

 

[Jim Craik]

Terry,

I like your style.

Great photos, I love the Manta M8C.......

How long did you teach?

 

[Pat]

Hmmm, Jim, maybe you’re generalizing a bit. I'm on the board of the business school of a large state university and the faculty there is anything but dyed in the wool liberals. In my younger days, I was an assistant professor at a large private university and my experience is that if you ask the faculty of the business school or the engineering department, you may get different views than from the faculty in the humanities. But back then, I considered myself a liberal. My daughter did as well in her undergraduate life. Once she started teaching high school though, she really changed her views and now she's far more conservative than I.
It's been the experience of many of my faculty friends that it is not politically correct to appear conservative if you have any prayer of getting a favorable peer review on a paper or granted tenure. I suspect that will change as more and more of the Vietnam era faculty retire and are replaced by those that quietly resent the terrible bureaucracy that is rampant in academia. I suspect the same thing is true in Hollywood.

But if you want to generalize the impact of failing to get tenure, there is the story of Amy Bishop.

 

[Jim Craik]

Veek

Absolutly, I generalize more than a bit. Additionally, as I recall the Business and Engerneering detps were more concervative.

These numbers I speak of are from my memory of California Universities in the 1970's, things I have read since and the genral complaining of concervatives.

You are right in the sense that even at its highest I would estimate 3-4 out of 10 professers are concervative. I would think much higher in grade/high school.

 

[Jim Craik]

Looking at my last post, what I tried to say is that the % of liberal teachers in grade/high school is higher than at the University level.

 

[Pete McCluskey.]

Well, I've read this thread from start to finish and my only comment is who really gives a shit?

 

[Doc Kaler]

Pete,

I started the thread, somewhat "tongue-in-cheek", and by now.....I have to agree with you!

 

[40 Bud]

Jim, your follow ups are what make it a load the crap part does'nt need explaining

 

[Jim Craik]

Bud

Here I am again, talking to a wall. You obviously have nothing to say or points to make, just mindless attacks!

You fit right in!

So you are ok with the "those that cant do teach" comment. Your parents must be so proud.

 

[Terry Oxandale]

Well, I've read this thread from start to finish and my only comment is who really gives a shit?

Somebody put Pete back in his cage!

 

[Roark_John]

Guys guys... sorry to jump into yet another circular thread but more accurately it is: "Those that can ....... and those that can't ........ " (Fill in the missing words for your grand prize)

"Those that can screw honestly go into prostitution...and those that can't screw honestly go into politics"

However, I have always thought this crap to be an insult to the teaching profession. To be able and willing to pass on knowledge and experience to young people in a neutral balanced fashion is, to me, a God given skill and is so vital to our future that not enough attention (but loads of mockery) are attributed to it.

The three teachers that had the biggest impact on me were conservatives. Interestingly enough, all had served in the military. All of them were also highly educated working in small rural schools.

One was a science teacher and was VERY adamant about maintaining strict standards so as to attain factual evidence to be used in a correct (and not always self-serving) way...this was Mr. Doyle. As a plus, he made learning INTERESTING...he tried to show the links between what we did in class and what happens in the real world.

Another was a history teacher who always encouraged students to go beyond the text books and dig deeper into BOTH sides of the story, he was not big on white-washed or overly simplified versions of history...this was Mr. Tate.

The other was a 5th grade teacher and always provided a bit of a push to the more talented students to put more effort in, whenever he saw that a minimal of effort was enough to satisfy the course requirements. He understood that more effort produces a better final result for both the teacher AND the student...this was Mr. Willis. In his current role in my life he is the Sergeant Major of our Headquarters unit in the National Guard.

If you never do anything else ever in your life, pass on your experience (not rhetoric or dogma) to young people no matter how reluctant they appear to be.

Can't say how much I agree with this! I argue for seperation of politics and education as strongly as I argue for seperation of church and state!

This is the TRUE future of the human race....

Remember, no rhetoric no dogma, no fucking conservatives and no shithead liberals.

There are fucks and shitheads on both sides of the fence. As long as anyone can label themselves and others as they please, trying to sort out the mess can be a full-time job!

Thank you good night.

The future belongs to those that can embrace the best of both camps, free from dogma, rhetoric, militantcy, labels and a lust for power & control. Think we'll ever get there?

 

[Keith]

The future belongs to those that can embrace the best of both camps, free from dogma, rhetoric, militantcy, labels and a lust for power & control. Think we'll ever get there?

There is ALWAYS hope John. I argue against dogma and entrenchment. The greatest attribute in life (to me at least) is empathy.

Somehow a comprehensive lack of empathy (to me at least - again) smacks of evil intent.

No, I'll edit that, not evil per ce, but certainly unchristian.

 

[40 Bud]

Jim you are so full of it. You make comments about teaching. Thats fine. I grew up in a teaching family. I have no problem with the teaching profession. There are very good and very bad teachers. Fight the bad ones and love the good ones. My reason for the load of crap staement HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT TEACHING - IT HAD EVERYTHING TO DO WITH YOUR CHEAP SHOTS. If you would keep your comments on point and not use them as just another chance to take a shot at CONSERVATIVES I wouldn't have said a thing. So enjoy your diatribe and continue your blustering about conservatives and their ideals as no one will ever change your thinking about us.

 

[Keith]

Children, children. You WILL be paddled if you continue in this vein...:shifty:

 

[Jim Craik]

Bud,

Fair enough.