Race Simulation - iRacing

Hi Randy,

Bluetiger has a recommended payload maximum weight of 350 pounds including the driver, seat, monitor, and controls. This leaves about ~250+ pounds available for the driver. Power reaches a peak of about 7 amps @ 115 vac but hovers between 2-3 most of the time.

If you are already a sim racer and you use your own monitor, seat and controls, you can just buy the basic motion platform for $6,925. The BlueTiger Motion Simulator shown in the picture including monitors, controls, and seat is 11,995.
 
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Pete McCluskey.

Lifetime Supporter
It seemed to me there is a very large amount of movement on the three screen Sim under brakes and acceleration, maybe just the camera angle?
 
Hi Pete,

The movement you see in the video is not body roll. BlueTiger, (like virtually all commercial racing and flight simulators) uses gravity to simulate the forces of acceleration, braking, and centrifugal force. The platform tips back to simulate acceleration, forward for braking, and left or right for centrifugal force.

The driver, all controls, and the monitors all move as a unit. Essentially the driver always sees the controls and his view of the monitor stay stationary in the same relative location (see picture). The driver’s attention is focused on the race track in the monitors. He sees the right turn coming up and makes the appropriate control and steering inputs. His body feels the sled tip to the left on a right hand turn. He may feel gravity but he interprets it as centrifugal force because that is consistent and matches what he sees and the control inputs he made. The driver’s natural tendency to interpret the movement forces so they are consistent with all the other strong and stable stimulus cues in the simulation is called immersion. Force Dynamics, an excellent company mentioned in this thread, also has a good explanation of how motion simulators use gravity to created the impression of acceleration, braking, and centrifugal force. After racing for only a few minutes, most drivers become unaware of how much the simulator is actually moving and just feel the acceleration forces acting on the car. In the video, BlueTiger is moving over a full 40 degree range.

For racing in particular it is important for the driver to be able to feel centrifugal force increase, reach a peak, and then decrease as the car sweeps through a turn. It is also important that the force felt by the driver is instantaneously consistent and accurately proportionate to correlate with cornering, acceleration, and braking dynamics. We believe strongly correlated proportional movement and feedback are of prime importance but we also provide the “impulse style” engine vibration, road texture, and abrupt changes in direction cues, etc. In essence, impulse style movements are a subset of the motion capability of BlueTiger.

The concept and degree of “immersion” provided by simulators is the key factor of authenticity. With BlueTiger, the driver has the option to proportionally add or subtract dynamic forces, physical position relative to horizontal, and impulse style movements as desired. The crux is to duplicate the feel of a specific car at speed, not just make the motion “car-like”. BlueTiger provides clear and unambiguous settings for the driver so that these adjustments can systematically be made. (sorry for the long answer but I think I am still in trade show mode.)
 
finally I also tested Iracing sim (cause all friends includng u all are pushing a lot and tempt me as a porno site..LOL).
The driving is absolutely the best one i've ever seen (its dave kemmer from gpl..u know..).
I simply love it,too nice, will not anyway buy it for now for some reasons (mostly case I miss the European tracks....and with all respect, being mangia pasta italiano I need some of our old places to races...firts of all the Nordschleife...no ring no life for me, sorry!).
Also I dont like so much the car models they give u to race (pontiac solstice..omg..no eh..at least a catheram...some strange little formula,also there..please a GT40 for me,or a mafiosa ferrari..;)
Last but not least..the price, imo, its still to expensive. (the talk of 15-20 dollars for each car...plus 156 dollars for year subscription..I pay gym for such,and surely got better results:).
Seems they are anyway releasing a brand new incredibly nice Lotus 78 formula 1, after buying all car datas directly from Lotus cars co.
It is also true this is absolutely the nicest sim i've ever tested since GPLù

Very very cool :)
 

Ron Earp

Admin
Paolo,

the Daytona Prototype just came out for iRacing and it is awesome. It still lists as coming soon on the site but I downloaded it and started driving it at VIR this afternoon, too cool.

As you know, iRacing isn't much of a game but it is a great driving experience and great for practice. For me it is extremely useful because we race on the tracks in the sim so I get some "seat time" in the off season. Good stuff.

I haven't fooled around all that much with the online aspect of the sim but I plan to. I've run a few sprint races and I was highly impressed with the wheel to wheel online racing. But, as with anything time is a limiting factor - too many hobbies and real racing wins out over sim racing.

Ron
 

Randy V

Admin
Lifetime Supporter
The BlueTiger is officially on my "I want it" list...

I can't think of anything that would keep me as sharp between races...
 
Ron, u are absolutely right.
I just try find excuses..not to join :).. I am using a cracked version (surely done for nuts as me..to SEE how serious the thing is) and i definitely love it.

Btw...in radical website there is a 1 month tial free version of the game...
Virtual Racing - Racing - Radical Sportscars

I try repeat myself I will resist for now...but is very hard (mostly I need to say myself..no dont wanna pay no 156 dollars).
For sure..if they will make GT40, 2 seconds later i will subscribe... LOL,just think they need an agreement with ford..or even better, with som of our freinds producing replicas (and then YES..I have no life.. :)

Too cool, really
 

Ron Earp

Admin
Hey Paolo,

time to pony up buddy!

If you aren't going to physically race a car and you want a sim instead of a game, then this is the next best thing. $156 a year isn't bad and bear in mind it has all the wheel to wheel racing you can stand and free updates (forced actually, you have to update to play, even solo) too.

I sort of doubt they'll get around to doing a GT40 soon and that isn't a factor for me. I like that they are focused on cars that are currently raced (at least the US, of course iRacing is a US based company) and many are accessible to even amateur racers over here. I'd much rather have a few extremely well-done models as opposed to 50+ cars that are not all that accurately modeled.

Give it a whirl, I think you'll like it. It isn't so much what car your are driving as the experience. Much like real racing, I could care less what I'm driving as long as I can get on track and race.
 

Ron Earp

Admin
Come to think of it for those who are SCCA members iRacing has a promotion through the SCCA. Check it out on the SCCA website or in the most recent copy of Sportscar. Paolo, joined up yet? The Corvette C6.R will be available soon in the game and the tracks have been expanding. They are still a bit light on European tracks but Silverstone is there with Brands-Hatch. More to come.

Ron
 
Finally some info that is really useful to me. I have been going to some tracks recently that I have never driven before. I have been reviewing videos of them , but nothing beats actually driving them. The sim route is probably the next best and I have been considering one. I had quite a few issues and many of them have been addressed, although not completely answered, here. Thanks guys!!

Just for discussions sake, has anyone looked into double axis rigs? I've seen a couple of them and they looked really good, but have not been able to find them for sale anywhere.

OK, the welding warning was also, potentially, very useful as well. :)
 
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Hi Crash 33,

Since you are in California I will mention that next week from the 13th-16th is the big week in Monterey, California for historic racing and collector cars.

Both iRacing and BlueTiger will be available to test drive in Monterey at the RM Auction in town and also at Laguna Seca Raceway.

It is a perfect chance to experience a totally accurate Laguna Seca track on a simulator and then watch the race all on the same day.

Bob
 
I drove one of the sims last year at Monterey .... and i must say if i was not spending all my money and time building a car.....i'd be spending on one of these sim setups. If i were one of you guys that live in places that have a REAL winter, i'd never leave the house for 6 months!

The car i drove was a 430 ferrari and i drove it on laguna, the thing i noticed most was how rough the motion seat/simulator made the track feel. I can tell you from experience there is no way in hell the track is anywhere near that rough. Is that sort of thing engineered in for effect?
 

Ron Earp

Admin
The car i drove was a 430 ferrari and i drove it on laguna, the thing i noticed most was how rough the motion seat/simulator made the track feel. I can tell you from experience there is no way in hell the track is anywhere near that rough. Is that sort of thing engineered in for effect?
There is no Ferrari in iRacing. iRacing cars are relatively limited and the emphasis is more on the driving dynamics, car model, and track model.
 
I was not my intention to say the sim i drove was an iracing sim, only that the one I drove was "one" if the sims on the market. Truth is i had no idea which one i drove, although Ron's disclosure eliminates the iracng stuff. Maybe i'll pay more attention this year.

Whichever ....it was a rough ride!

PS Ron what are you retired from?
 
Hi Crash 33,

Since you are in California I will mention that next week from the 13th-16th is the big week in Monterey, California for historic racing and collector cars.

Both iRacing and BlueTiger will be available to test drive in Monterey at the RM Auction in town and also at Laguna Seca Raceway.

It is a perfect chance to experience a totally accurate Laguna Seca track on a simulator and then watch the race all on the same day.

Bob

Thanks for the info. That weekend is a very special family event for me that I can't miss, and then I will be at a NASA race at Thunderhill the next weekend. One of the tracks I haven't run yet.

Gotta stop posting and review some tapes as we speak!

I'm told it's a pretty easy track to learn though.
 
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