Sabre (with a bit left to do)

[Dutton]

If you're on a budget and in the Florida area, this one might be worth a look. Some assembly required...

eBay Motors: Ford : Ford GT (item 250093805649 end time Mar-22-07 18:00:00 PDT)

 

[dean]

you can get a well sorted one for 50 to 65. how much is something like this should go for?

 

[Mark Charlton]

30 bids so far and at $15K appears to have met reserve, which means it could be quite a deal and has lots of interest. I'll guess $25K, maybe $30, considering it has an almost complete engine, a G50 and some fairly high-spec parts.

 

[Rich E.]

Am I missing something or is there no gas pedal, or room for one, for that matter. Other than that the car looks like its got potential.

Rich.

 

[Bill Bayard]

The tunnel isn't bolted down, just set in between the seats,
making it appear that there's no "go pedal" room.

Looks like a pretty sweet deal, considering that a LOT of the
hard stuff is already finished. Very nice parts inventory too.

John Donnelly built some nice cars.
What a shame that his business went under!

 

[Steve Briscoe]

Read the bidder ID information and then examine the pattern of bidding very carefully. Remember, it's e-Bay.

 

[Ian K]

This was Luis Lopez's car, which was for sale in Oct 2005:

http://www.gt40s.com/forum/gt40-cars-sale/16739-smokin-deal-sabre.html?highlight=Sabre

I would definitely call the number, since it is the same one from the last time.
Also, check the terms for payment - I would see if you could use escrow. If
not, steer well away.

Ian

 

[just ernst]

i want to bidd on this car, i am new in your forum, but i am her because my dream for an gt-40, --i am the austrian-- , now i read that some guys off you knows this car, i called today with the seller, we speak a lot about the car and i think it was a good speaking, now i read some words about ebay, for beeing carefully, problems with paying over ebay.

please, iff anybody knows about the car can you give me a little explanation about??, i build 18 years ago thre GTD-gt-40, so i knows only the gtd-cars, all others about the car i know from books or via internet and your great forum with so many information about.

thank you

regards

just

 

[Mark Charlton]

Read the bidder ID information and then examine the pattern of bidding very carefully. Remember, it's e-Bay.

Steve, when I first read this post, I thought you were just raising the usual cautions about eBay, but you are smarter than that!

I was not aware that if one views the bidding details of the auction bidders that one can actually see much more information than before. Now you can see how often a certain bidder has bid on other items by the same seller.

Some of the bidders for this auction have a pattern of bidding on items from this seller — who seems to sell a lot of motorcycle stuff — which is a bit odd, considering the rather non-motorcycle nature of the item up for auction. What are the odds that 21% of a bidders TOTAL eBay bids would be for items from the same seller. What about 66%? Could it be friends upping the activity or just many repeat bids?

Thanks for the eye-opening Steve! I hope all is going well!

Mark

 

[Bill Musarra]

Just,
If you are the winning bidder, pay with an escrow service like escrow.com. Will save you a lot of headaches. If the deal goes bad, it will save you more than that. I have written an article about buying a used or unfinished kit. If you would like a copy, PM me and I will send it to you.

Bill

 

[Peter Olliviere]

I just want to comment on this offering from Luis.

I have seen this car several times and the discription is spot on, he has described the car just as it is.

As for bidding activity I can't make any statment because I have not done any bidding. (Don't need another 40).

As for the seller himself, I have known him for a couple of years and have done business with him in the past. This is no guarantee that this deal is without hazard but from my own prospective I think it's a good deal.

Peter

 

[Steve Briscoe]

What are the odds that 21% of a bidders TOTAL eBay bids would be for items from the same seller. What about 66%? Could it be friends upping the activity or just many repeat bids? I hope all is going well!

Things are going well. Thank you. The odds of this kind of pattern being routine are not very good. If I was physically present at the auction where bidders had been pre-qualified, it would be easy to play the game. Here, it is not. There are e-Bay auctions void of the type of activity one sees on this auction. However, what happens in the next few days may be revealing. If other bidders with mult-year histories and great feedback join the bidding, it may be an indication the auction will include capable parties that are interested in a purchase.

Steve

 

[Doug]

What would this car be worth if it were finished correctly? Sabre is no longer in biz, will this hurt the value?

 

[Keith]

Hey guys, I may be stupid but surely the amount of "bids with this seller" percentage reflects the percentage of his total bids on Ebay to date?

For example, there is one bidder that has only ever bid on EBay 3 times previously and on this item only once, so his percentage with this seller is correctly 33%.

Another has bid 60 times in total and bid 12 times with this seller and thus his percentage of bids with this seller is correctly listed as 20%.

I'm always willing to learn about new ways to retain my hard earned (which is why I stopped getting married) but I don't get the implications of "possible improprietary" here. Please help, but remember, where numbers are concerned, I go blind very quickly.

:shrug:

 

[David Briggs]

I would think that this car is easily worth this amount of money, just for the parts alone. Seller clearly states it will require a lot of work to build but from what I have seen on this site most GT40's cost more than this and are no where near as complete.
Dave

 

[Doug]

If the car were finished properly what would it be worth (50,60,70,80,90)?

 

[Mark Charlton]

I'm always willing to learn about new ways to retain my hard earned (which is why I stopped getting married) but I don't get the implications of "possible improprietary" here.:shrug:

My apologies. I was not intending (although I obviously have) to convey any improprieties. I was just expanding on what I thought was an interesting tool available on eBay that I was not previously aware of. As indicated in my previous post, there is a lot of value in the car and at it's current bid of under $20K, it is an absolute steal.

 

[Keith]

Hi Mark thanks for coming back. I wanted to better understand the bit about some bidders bidding percentage "with this seller". I looked at it and did some swift finger pulling and it all came out OK because you have to look at the bidders total number of previous bids on EBay period.

If it's quite low and the bidder has multiple bids with this one seller then obviously his percentage of bids "with this seller" will appear to be high and it didn't mean that they were previous motorcycle part bidders or friends etc.

At least, that's the way my feeble brain saw it and I just wanted some kind of confirmation that I wasn't (or maybe still am) losing my marbles...

It's only important as I want to use EBay soon to get rid of a lot of "stuff" and I need to understand what to look out for...

 

[Ian K]

If the car were finished properly what would it be worth (50,60,70,80,90)?

John,

Nobody has replied because the answer is "yes". Depending on the quality
of the finish, the parts used, the parts modified, etc. as well as the current
market, will all determine what it is worth. Bottom line, it is worth either
what a) you would take for it and b) what someone would pay for it.

As an example, there is a very nice completed CAV for sale in Florida -
under $60K. Rick Merz has a great GTD, 351W bored/stroked to 396, highly
modified Porsche G50/52, over $120K in receipts, and he struggled to sell
it for $65K. The market goes up and down - so there is no definitive answer
on what this car would be worth if finished properly.

Ian

 

[Mike Dozier]

Actually Ian I think you just did....

Rick Merz was as nice a spaceframe as they come....and he sold it
(after a long try) around $ 65k.

IMHO anyone who gets more than that on a spaceframe should consider
themselves very fortunate.

MikeD