Terrorist attacks in Paris.

David Morton

Lifetime Supporter
Al
We have been subjected to all sorts of similar searches - shoes off, belts off, lap tops out and switched on, no water or other drinks, no swiss army implements, don't give them any back chat, but I have screws in my arm, wires in my chest, and a stainless /ceramic hip /
and a plate and screws in my other leg/ stand over there and a specialist searcher will be here/ I might miss my aeroplane/ you should have been here earlier/ dont give our officer any backchat/ We did not cause you to miss your flight/ I've missed my flight/ you have to go back to checkin at start again/ i BET YOU FAILED AT SCHOOL AS WELL/ WHAT DID YOU SAY!/ PEOPLE WHO WEAR HI VIS TABARDS INDOORS ARE WANKERS!/ All because of some fucking raghead al qaeda.
 

Keith

Moderator
Top rant David..

This was written about 8 months ago. I have no idea about the author or the blog but it is a well written piece and explains much in context with this weekends events..

If you really want to understand Isil's objectives I suggest you read through it line by line..

What ISIS Really Wants - The Atlantic
 

Howard Jones

Supporter
"It's been 70 years since the last military use of nuclear weapons on Japan. I lived there as a child (my dad was military...USAF).. Their national unity and fervent belief that they were undefeatable could only be stopped by the same kind of response that I believe could bring a halt to ISIS...but no country wants to be the first to use nuclear weapons again, so some sort of multinational involvement will be necessary, whether it is through the UN or not."


This IS the point. ISIS is still in business because the west is allowing it to be. We don't need nukes we just need to want them gone. A couple of airborne divisions dropped in the country (Start with Iraq) to cut them off, follow on with the 4th ID and friendly NATO troops. And wipe then out.........period.

Move on to Syria. Again seal the Iraq, Jordan, and Turkish border. Seize the necessary ports on the eastern med coast, and squeeze then from the north, Turkey, east, Iraq, and west med ports and again wipe them out.

This is a easier operation than Gulf war against a weaker opponent that generally does NOT have the loyalty of the local population. In the aftermath a Syrian government will need to emerge that is non belligerent to the various Syrian factions and Syria's neighbors. If Assad will agree to pay a role then we should talk about that. If not he gets the same treatment as ISIS. Same with Putin. Help and participate or shut up.

If you can think of another way to do this then lets hear it. Doing nothing and letting ISIS get further entrenched isn't only foolish but asking for further 911's whether they be in France, England, Spain, Germany, the US or wherever.

All we need is leadership. That could start with France declaring war on ISIS and demanding our treaty obligations be implemented.
 

David Morton

Lifetime Supporter
How many people do you think Isis consists of?
I think around 35,000.
How many Isis Jihadists are spread amongs the so called Syrian refugee's?
I think about 5000 to 7500 are now embedded in European countries that have allowed so called 'Syrian refugees' to settle.
How many European countries are in line for attrocities such as the one Paris has just seen? Each of the European country that has opened their doors and allowed unhindered border crossings - the Shengen agreement.
How many country's are there in the Shengen agreement? Do you have any idea?
I'll tell you - there are twenty six.
Write to your MP and ask what he or she is doing? I doubt he or she is doing anything except sitting on their fat arses and drawing their £90K salaries ad even bigger allowances. What is your MEP called and what are they doing about this crisis? Just write to them and then if you get a reply just copy it and post it on the GT40 Paddock. I doubt they will reply to you.
For crying out loud, just do something. It only takes one sheet of paper or one screen on the internet. The finishing line is approaching quickly - more quickly than you've ever thought and if Isis are the first to cross the finishing line, forget any ideas of what you thought was a normal life.
That is their sole intention.
 
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Keith

Moderator
I do agree with David on this one. ISIL objectives are nihilistic and somewhat incomprehensible to western minds but read the Atlantic.com I posted a few posts back for a better idea where this is going.

Scrapping Schengen and securing our borders is the minimum first step.

Remember these guys welcome death & destruction, they cannot be fought conventionally.
 
The Shengen agreement was signed in 1985, independent of the EU. What were they thinking? One could only assume they were not thinking! I have little regard for the EU and the EEC bleeding every EU country to benefit a few. I have been saying this since the advent! And in true fashion, it grows in unnecessary regulation and far from the original scope.

I can get too far carried away with this and will stop it right there.
 

David Morton

Lifetime Supporter
Here in Great Britain, the head of MI6 will decide on the security levels and manpower required to achieve them this Monday morning. Alex Younger - a former spy for the MI6 department, will probably decide to add a several thousand for border access points and a similar amount for major airports as the curtain gradually comes down on the Shengen agreement around Europe. What a total disaster that has been. As far as major events and regular events where large crowds gather, I expect he will decide on a much more heightened security level and expect those events to be treated as Critical Level though the country in general will remain at Severe Level (Its a man power exercise and really he does not have the manpower unless he uses more contractors).
Both MI6 and MI5 will be recruiting at the lower levels to allow the existing staff to concentrate on the job in hand. As a norm both departments recruit from the various universities which either specialize in languages or science based subjects.Time
is not on their sides so recruiting ads will appear very soon in the more readable press. GCHQ is very specialist though I would expect a similar increase in recruiting - mainly from the retired, or soon to be, military specialists.
London and the other major cities will see long queues for security searches in the major stores, especially in the lead up to Christmas, and any cars wrongly parked will be the subject of controlled demolition by the disposable car boot disruptor. (Google it. It uses water)

Expect a major announcement by late morning - mid afternoon at the latest.
 
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Pete McCluskey.

Lifetime Supporter
Interesting read.


by Raising Up A Standard
on Thursday
With all this Muslim terrorism plaguing the world, perhaps it is time to take a look at a country not suffering the same fate and analyze exactly why that
By: Y.K. Cherson
In 2011, Sunni Muslims accounted for the greatest number of terrorist attacks and fatalities for the third year in a row. Over 5,700 incidents were committed by Sunni Muslims, responsible for nearly 56 percent of all attacks and about 70 percent of 12,533 fatalities.*
Another 24 percent of the fatalities are on Shi´a Muslims. So in 2011, Muslims were responsible for 94 percent of the fatalities in terrorist attacks. Since 2011, with ISIS on the scene, the number of the fatalities –victims of the Muslim terrorist attacks- sharply grew, together with Muslims´ share in the world terrorism that is steadily closing in on 100%.
In 2013, according to the US Department of State, a total of 9,707 terrorist attacks occurred worldwide, resulting in more than 17,800 deaths and more than 32,500 injuries. In addition, more than 2,990 people were kidnapped or taken hostage. Information about perpetrators was reported in source materials for 32 percent of terrorist attacks in 2013.
And of these 32 percent, or 17,800 deaths, only three Muslim terrorist groups, namely the Taliban, ISIS and Boko Haram, were responsible for 5,655 fatalities, or for 31.76 percent! That means that 31.76 percent out of the 32 percent of terrorist attacks which had reported information about the attackers were perpetrated by only three Muslim terrorist groups, out of a good 50 more that exist in our turbulent world!
Muslim terrorists can be proud: their share in world terrorist attacks is now close to 100%.
Seems there is not a single country where Muslims would not show their true colors… But no! There is such a country. It’s one of the most developed countries on Earth, and its democratic nature is recognized worldwide, a true ally of the USA and a member of NATO. However, with all this, there was not a single terrorist attack perpetrated by Muslims in this country. Moreover, there was not a single, even minor, riot, disturbance or protest, no matter how many citizens of this country support cartoons of the prophet Muhammad published in some Danish newspaper or in a French magazine.
The name of this lucky country is Japan.
Of course, Japan achieved this by some super effective integration policy, through using the most advanced technologies and assigning billions of yen on the building of thousands of mosques and Islamic schools all over Japan, banning pork in all public places, introducing separate hours for boys and girls in swimming pools in all public schools, and Japanese male doctors do not dare touch their female patients, Muslim women get immense social aid each time they have a child, Shari´a courts were introduced in the judicial system of Japan, and the Koran is considered a Holy Book in Japan…
No, nothing of the kind. What Japan did to avoid problems related to Muslims was much simpler and cheaper; Japan is practically closed to Muslims.
Officially, immigration to Japan is not closed to Muslims. But the number of the immigration permits given to the applicants from Islamic countries is very low. Obtaining a working visa is not easy for adepts of Islam, even if they are physicians, engineers and managers sent by foreign companies that are active in the region. As a result, Japan is “a country without Muslims”.
There is no reliable estimate on the Japanese Muslim population. However, claims of thirty thousand made by some researchers are without doubt an exaggeration. Some claim that there are only a few hundred. This probably amounts to the number of Muslims openly practicing Islam. Asked to give an estimate on the actual number of Muslims in Japan, the ex-president of the Japan Islamic Association Abu Bakr Morimoto replied, “To say frankly, only one thousand. In the broadest sense, I mean, if we do not exclude those who became Muslims for the sake of, say marriage, and do not practice then the number would be a few thousand.”
One of the leaders of the Muslim community in Japan, Nur Ad-Din Mori, was asked: “What percentage of Japan’s total population are Muslims?” He responded, “The answer at the moment is: One out of a hundred thousand.”
Japan’s population is 130 million people, so if these Muslim leaders are correct, then there must be around 1300 Muslims. But even those Muslims who obtained immigration permits and lived many years in the country have very poor chances of becoming Japanese citizens.
Japan officially forbids exhorting people to adopt the religion of Islam (Dawah), and any Muslim who actively encourages conversion to Islam is seen as proselytizing to a foreign and undesirable culture. Too active “promoters of Islam” face deportation- and sometimes even a jail sentence.
The Arabic language is taught by very few academic institutes; I could find only one such institute: The Arabic Islamic Institute in Tokyo. But even the International University of Japan in Tokyo does not offer courses on Arabic or Islamic languages.
Importing the Koran in Arabic is practically impossible, and the only one permitted is the “adapted” version in Japanese.
Until recently, there were only two mosques in Japan: Tokyo Jama Masjid and Kobe Mosque. Now, the total number of Muslim praying sites in Japan is counted in some 30 single story mosques and about a hundred apartment rooms set aside for prayers.
And Japanese society expects Muslims to pray at home: no collective “prostrating” in the streets or squares; in Japan, for such “shows” the actors can get pretty high fines, and in those cases Japanese Police consider “serious”, the participants can be deported.
Quite often, Japanese companies seeking foreign workers specifically note that they are not interested in Muslims.
There is not even a trace of a Shari´a Law in Japan, and halal food is extremely difficult to find in there.
The Japanese tend to perceive Islam as a “strange and dangerous religion” that a true Japanese should avoid, and the recent murders of two Japanese nationals, Haruna Yukawa and Kenji Goto, by ISIS have not contributed to any improvement in the opinions of the Japanese on this matter.
And the most interesting thing in the Japanese approach to Muslims is the fact that the Japanese do not feel any guilt for such a “discriminatory” approach to Islam, and they evidently do not think they should apologize to Muslims for the negative way in which they perceive their religion. Arab gas and oil- yes, and Japan maintains good relations with Arab exporters. But Islam – no, andMuslim immigration- neither. Islam is something that is suitable for others, not for Japan, and therefore the Muslims must remain outside.
And Muslims in Japan do not riot, they do not brand the Japanese “racists”, they do not burn cars, smash windows, behead Japanese soldiers for having been in Afghanistan, Iraq or anywhere else on Earth – and not a single Japanese has been victim of a Muslim terrorist attack on Japanese soil in the last 30 years.
Maybe Europe and the USA should look at the Japanese model of dealing with Muslims more closely?
*This information comes from the National Counterterrorism Center’s (NCTC) unclassified report. The NCTC provides the State Department with the statistical data it needs and was created to provide government agencies with this type of information.

Islam Hasn’t Changed: We Have..
 

Larry L.

Lifetime Supporter
Oh, all that is just TOO "racist", and "hateful", and "bigoted"...not to mention "intolerant". All of which were labels attached to me just after 9/11 when I opined Muslims should no longer be allowed to immigrate to the U.S. as a matter of common sense. (How many Japanese or Germans were allowed in during WWII?)

"And Muslims in Japan do not riot, they do not brand the Japanese “racists”, they do not burn cars, smash windows, behead Japanese soldiers for having been in Afghanistan, Iraq or anywhere else on Earth – and not a single Japanese has been victim of a Muslim terrorist attack on Japanese soil in the last 30 years."

And why IS that you may ask? Because the Muslim population in Japan is too s-m-a-l-l...THAT's why. As the Muslim population grows relative to the population in any given "host country", so do their demands...as well as their belligerent behavior.

Google; "Muslim behavior/terrorism relative to population size", or anything similar and you'll see what I'm talking about. There are several different sites that make virtually the same observations. For instance:

Muslim Behavior/Terrorism Correlated With Population Size - Common Sense Evaluation

For any Muslims who may read this and immediately "take offense" - that's e-x-a-c-t-l-y the programmed, prescribed response as mandated by the 'Muslim master plan' (for want of a better label).
 
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Keith

Moderator
One of the objectives of ISIL is that they become synonymous with Islam in general which would make them the de facto world leader of the faith.

By generalising our responses to include ALL Muslims we are surely playing into their hands and risking the alienation of millions of peaceful citizens world wide and becoming the most effective recruiting sergeant that ISIL, Al Qaeda et al could possibly hope for.

Do you want to forcibly intern millions of innocent people?

We must treat ISIL & Co as a terrorist organisation that coincidentally happen to be of the Muslim faith and deal with it just as any other terrorist group. Badar Meinhoff, RAF, IRA, UDA, FARC, HAMAS, Hezbollah etc etc...

Any other response (IMO of course) is to ramp up the threat exponentially..
 
Then the peaceful Muslims need to step up and be accounted for. Remember only 7% to 10% in Germany were Nazis and look how that turned out.
 

Keith

Moderator
I agree Al but one thing none of us have experienced I would hazard a guess: living in fear within your community.

I have tried to visualise what it must have been like to live in Germany in the years 1930-1940 and the only conclusion I can draw is that as long as shit is not happening to you, it is an entirely natural human response to look the other way.

However, this is nothing like the same situation because it is global and if anything, the fear factor will be higher. I have absolutely no doubt that should an ordinary moderate Muslim domiciled in the UK or the rest of Europe, (by moderate I mean an ordinary Joe Schmo) stand up and speak out or even try to organise a human response to what is being done "in their name", they will be targeted by the faceless extremists who work in the shadows. Fire bomb, acid attack, worse, for they will have committed the mortal sin (to fundamental Islamic teaching) of Apostasy punishable by stoning to death. This fear will prevent the regular citizens from doing any more than showing passive sympathy for the victims of terrorism.

The answer lies in the leaders of the Islamic Faith. These are the people that have to stand up and be counted. Whether Shia or Sunni, they must speak out against ISIL and their murderous campaign. Failure to do so vociferously, and soon, will leave us all in little doubt where their real sympathies lie.
 

Larry L.

Lifetime Supporter
By generalising our responses to include ALL Muslims we are surely playing into their hands and risking the alienation of millions of peaceful citizens world wide...

Clearly it's worked for Japan.

Besides...how do we determine a 'good' Muslim from a 'bad' one? Do they come with a stamp on their foreheads indicating same?

Nope.


Any other response (IMO of course) is to ramp up the threat exponentially.

I'd say Muslims have done a 1st rate job of 'ramping things up' all by their own darned selves...wouldn't you? The French have been kissing their butts for years. Look what it's brought them.



Radical Muslims have crapped Islam's communal tent for y-e-a-r-s now and the Muslim community has done n-o-t-h-i-n-g to put an END to the practice...much less clean out their tent. I don't know what that tells you...but, I know what it tells me...
 

Jeff Young

GT40s Supporter
It's also in violation of the 1st Amendment which prohibits discrimination based on religion.


Oh, all that is just TOO "racist", and "hateful", and "bigoted"...not to mention "intolerant". All of which were labels attached to me just after 9/11 when I opined Muslims should no longer be allowed to immigrate to the U.S. as a matter of common sense. (How many Japanese or Germans were allowed in during WWII?)

"And Muslims in Japan do not riot, they do not brand the Japanese “racists”, they do not burn cars, smash windows, behead Japanese soldiers for having been in Afghanistan, Iraq or anywhere else on Earth – and not a single Japanese has been victim of a Muslim terrorist attack on Japanese soil in the last 30 years."

And why IS that you may ask? Because the Muslim population in Japan is too s-m-a-l-l...THAT's why. As the Muslim population grows relative to the population in any given "host country", so do their demands...as well as their belligerent behavior.

Google; "Muslim behavior/terrorism relative to population size", or anything similar and you'll see what I'm talking about. There are several different sites that make virtually the same observations. For instance:

Muslim Behavior/Terrorism Correlated With Population Size - Common Sense Evaluation

For any Muslims who may read this and immediately "take offense" - that's e-x-a-c-t-l-y the programmed, prescribed response as mandated by the 'Muslim master plan' (for want of a better label).
 

Keith

Moderator
I'd say Muslims have done a 1st rate job of 'ramping things up' all by their own darned selves...wouldn't you? The French have been kissing their butts for years. Look what it's brought them.

The French have most certainly not been "kissing their butts" in fact they have introduced some pretty strict rules banning the wearing of Islamic clothes (Hibab & Burkha) in schools, something we should have done here but it may be too late. The French deserve our support for showing their balls rather than our vitriol, especially at this time..
 
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