The perfect quote - political in nature

Randy V

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Geeze guys... I did not pen the original here... I simply passed it on and said that it caused me to think! Did I say that I agreed wholly with what was written? Sorry if I offended people here. It would seem that most that have posted on this thread so far are of the "you're either with us, or against us..." Line of reasoning.
 

Jim Craik

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Wally,

Brave would be calling the American Electorate "depraved fools" or at least saying "I believe in what I am posting".

To just post an anonamous hit peice by someone in the Czech Republic, thats just fine, but "brave"?

Not so much.
 

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And the reason that it caused me to think was that the author ( whoever it was ) made the point that the issue may not be with the man elected, but those who elected him!
Now that was a from a vantage point I had not really seen discussed here..
 

Jeff Young

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Geeze guys... I did not pen the original here... I simply passed it on and said that it caused me to think! Did I say that I agreed wholly with what was written? Sorry if I offended people here. It would seem that most that have posted on this thread so far are of the "you're either with us, or against us..." Line of reasoning.

What do you mean "geez guys?" YOu posted it as the "perfect quote." One you essentially agreed with. One that calls guys like me, and Jimbo and Jim "degenerate fools."

And you seriously thought that would generate a polite discussion about substance.

Give me a break.
 

Randy V

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What do you mean "geez guys?" YOu posted it as the "perfect quote." One you essentially agreed with. One that calls guys like me, and Jimbo and Jim "degenerate fools."

And you seriously thought that would generate a polite discussion about substance.

Give me a break.

Jeff, now it is YOU that are surprizing ME. I would have thought you had read my entire first post, but evidently you missed the part where I said:

This email was sent to me with the same subject line I posted here.
 

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Keith, I've been in the barrel before.. This time however, it's not my turn.. ;)
 

Mike Pass

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A friend of mine said this to me many years ago and it remains true today and I suspect will always do so.

There are only two reasons to vote for a politician - self interest or stupidity.

Take your pick........

Cheers
Mike
 

Jeff Young

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Keith, I've been in the barrel before.. This time however, it's not my turn.. ;)

Sure it is. You posted that crap. Do you or do you not think the folks who voted for the President (who include a fair number of posters here) are "depraved fools?"

You also never answered: do you consider John Kennedy and Ronald Reagan to be qualified or unqualified for the Presidency at the time of election? Both had less or similar experience in Government at the time of their election as the President.
 

Jeff Young

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Jim or Jeff how about the courtesy of an actual answer regarding his qualifications prior to attaining office since I answered your question or was that merely a deflection because you can't name one? I think what was expressed in the article is not that people who voted for him are stupid but that we as a people have become more interested in our own self interest than what is in the best interest of the country....unless you believe his spiraling debt and deficits are a proper course while adding further entitlement programs like the affordable health care act. We can carp on and on about fair shares etc but if you seize all assets of the top 1% you still can't close his deficit gap. Will you still support him if they try to implement a wealth tax on assets not just income? I hope I'm wrong but I suspect that or a VAT will materialize in a second term.

Youl couldn't be more wrong. Defiicits are shrinking at a rate faster than any other time since WWII:

U.S. Deficit Shrinking At Fastest Pace Since WWII, Before Fiscal Cliff - Investors.com
 

Jim Rosenthal

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Randy, with all due respect ( and I think you do a good job as moderator, but as you know, in this section it's "gloves off") even if you don't like Obama he does have some qualifications to be President: a fine academic record, a Harvard Law JD, and also the fact that he taught constitutional law at one of the best law schools in the country (University of Chicago) Be fair. If one of the GOP nominees had that kind of record (and none of them did!) they would have been beating the drums about it.

It's kind of you to call him an eloquent orator, but the fact is, he is only occasionally eloquent. Bill Clinton is a MUCH better public speaker. Obama has given a few terrific speeches, but generally he is dry and analytical, which doesn't serve him well. He speaks like a professor, which of course is what he used to be.

Incidentally, I took the trouble to read his exam questions, that he wrote, and thought they were very well written. (and since I've had to write exam questions myself, I am a fellow sufferer and have sympathy, I suppose)

If you contrast Obama's resume with George W. Bush, who achieved nothing better than "gentleman's C's" in college, had an undistinguished career after that, was a drunk and belatedly dried out, and never had a job that wasn't part of the family business until he was governor of Texas, the contrast is quite stark. Obama came from a very modest background and made something of himself. Bush came from money and privilege and essentially did nothing with it.

It's also worth recalling HOW Bush 43 got elected- essentially the GOP couldn't find anyone to run against Gore, who was thought to be a shoe-in for President. Bush couldn't even find a running mate and finally Cheney was tapped as the leader of the search committee for a VP candidate. In other words, these two guys were expected to be graceful losers. Except they didn't lose. And we ended up with Cheney running foreign policy, the son of a bitch. If the good die young, Dick Cheney will live forever.

Randy, I don't have any comments about how they elect their government in the Czech Republic and I'm not interested in their comments about who we elect here. As little as we may know about our own government, they know far less about us. And frankly, I think what you did was what most of us do these days- find material that supports our dislike of people we've decided to dislike. In other words, the only thing we notice is items that support conclusions we've already drawn and decided to stick to.

One of my closest friends is a rabid conservative who hates the President. She absolutely believes he was born in Kenya, is a Muslim, sympathizes with AQ, and hates Christians. (she is a born-again Christian) Nothing I can tell her makes a bit of difference. She's already decided how she feels and everything gets accepted, rejected or distorted to bolster her already held opinions. So we don't talk about it. Fortunately, since one of her children is my goddaughter, we have other stuff to talk about. She's kind of like Lonesome Bob except she's better looking, now that I think of it.

The current President doesn't get judged fairly. That's the bottom line here, really. I don't mind crediting Bush 43 with what he did well, and he did do some things well, but also screwed up a lot of stuff. Obama is by no means perfect, but he's done a lot better than folks like you give him credit for. And, I hope, he will continue to do better.
 
Just to add to the opinions of Eastern Europe;

"Recently, Obama has been re-elected for a 2nd term by an illiterate society and he is ready to continue his lies of less taxes while he raises them. He gives speeches of peace and love in the world while he promotes wars as he did in Egypt, Libya and Syria. He plans his next war is with Iran as he fires or demotes his generals who get in the way."

Obama's Soviet Mistake - English pravda.ru
 

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Thanks to all or their comments and viewpoints on the subject.

Jeff Re: JFK - Great man, but I think his youth at the time of election actually worked against him when pressed. We came very close (and have since) to ending up in another war with him at the controls.
RR: with quite a long legacy of political work as well as his Governorship of the state of CA, I think he had a much higher degree of understanding of what is/was needed to run the country. Being governor of a state means that you have to have a more holistic view, but be able to engage to a detailed level with every facet of government.

Again - the purpose of the thread was to illustrate a different vantage point that I had not seen before, nor thought of. Outside of the name calling etc..
I live in MN. This state gave the Governorship to an ex-Pro wrestler named Jesse Ventura (real name is James Janos - we grew up together). Most everyone I know that voted for JV did so as a statement AGAINST the Democratic and Republican candidates. The state, as a whole, has still not recovered from much of the damage done while that guy was in control.
All the while he was in office screwing things up, I was blaming HIM! By using the logic presnted in the initial message of this thread, the blame was more appropriate to be placed on those that put him in office. Whether it was voting to make a statement against the others, voting the lesser of the evils, or viting for the right (in your own mind) candidate - we all have the right to vote and the right to our opinions.
In my opinion (right or wrong in your eyes) the voters of the United States of America made the wrong choice.
 

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Jim - I hope that BO does better this second term as well.. Taking the national debt to 16 Trillion from roughly 10 trillion has got more than a few of us concerned... We cannot continue printing money and backing that with foreign dollars.,
 

Jeff Young

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I don't mind you taking the position that the electorate made the wrong choice. That's politics. But linking to that article which claimed "depraved fools" voted for Obama? Yeah, that's not cool.

Your last post is much more sensical and a basis for a reasonable discussion. Your first was not.
 

Jeff Young

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Jim - I hope that BO does better this second term as well.. Taking the national debt to 16 Trillion from roughly 10 trillion has got more than a few of us concerned... We cannot continue printing money and backing that with foreign dollars.,

We do really need to get over this incorrect nomenclature. We are not printing money. They Government borrows it. There's a significant difference there.

And the deficit is shrinking at the fastest rate since WWII despite what Fox News etc. will claim:

U.S. Deficit Shrinking At Fastest Pace Since WWII, Before Fiscal Cliff - Investors.com
 

Jim Rosenthal

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You guys missed an historical moment!!!!!!!!

Lonesome Bob is quoting Pravda!!!!!!!!!!

Now- Pravda is not exactly an impeccably reliable source, is it? Bob, you've got to do better than quoting the Communists. Excuse me, ex-Communists.

Incidentally, if the former USSR is critical of Obama, doesn't that make your claim that Obama is a Socialist kind of full of hot air??? Maybe he's just a bad socialist, and that's why they are pissed with him.....
 
Tim, As far as I know the Qualifications to be President of the United states are:

A US Citizen
35+ years old
Enter the race, pay a nominating fee, collect signatures
Receive the most Electorial College votes

Tim, are there other qualifications I'm not aware of?

Jim I could meet those criteria (save the electoral college votes) however don't believe I am qualified to be CIC. I also wouldn't feel a med student who graduated at the bottom of his class and had a history of malpractice suits would be qualified to be my surgeon even though he is licensed and meets the criteria of a doctor. On a some what related note regarding the electoral college do you think it would be more representative of the electorate for each district to stand on it's own rather than the winner takes all system currently in use by most states and would you support that?
 

Jim Craik

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Ok Tim,

When President Obama first won, some of his qualifications were: Graduated at the top of his class from Harvard Law, was head of the Harvard law review and had been a Senator for 12 years (both State and US).

When he ran the second time you can add to his resume Leader of the Free World and the Nobel Peace Prize.

Tim, why dont you tell us the qualifications you think should be required to be President?

Keep in mind that we will compare your required qualifications, to Reagan, BushII, Quail, Palin and Ryan.
 
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