F1 2008
- Thread starter David Morton
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Pat Buckley
GT40s Supporter
I'm fine with aero and slicks and all that stuff.
The problem, IMO, is that the brakes are too good! Most passing is done under braking and when the braking zone is about 10 inches long you ain't gonna see much passing!
Cast iron brakes, no fancy assed pad materials.
Cheap, effective.
If they want to standardize anything, standardize the brakes!
The problem, IMO, is that the brakes are too good! Most passing is done under braking and when the braking zone is about 10 inches long you ain't gonna see much passing!
Cast iron brakes, no fancy assed pad materials.
Cheap, effective.
If they want to standardize anything, standardize the brakes!
David Morton
Lifetime Supporter
Today is the day.
Any bets on what will happen ??
Will Alonso take Hamilton off ? He's got the right starting position
to do it, and makes no secret he would like to move to Italy.
Will Raikonnen finally do something more than what was asked of him?
If, in fact, he is capable of raising his game ! I doubt that one.
Will other drivers come in to play today by wrecking Hamiltons chances?
Possible.
Will it rain during the race? A very good chance but who deals in chances in F1 ? Probabilities are better.
All will be revealed this afternoon in Sao Paolo.
Any bets on what will happen ??
Will Alonso take Hamilton off ? He's got the right starting position
to do it, and makes no secret he would like to move to Italy.
Will Raikonnen finally do something more than what was asked of him?
If, in fact, he is capable of raising his game ! I doubt that one.
Will other drivers come in to play today by wrecking Hamiltons chances?
Possible.
Will it rain during the race? A very good chance but who deals in chances in F1 ? Probabilities are better.
All will be revealed this afternoon in Sao Paolo.
I don't think I dare watch!
Andy
Andy
Hamilton will jink round a tardy starting Trulli, clip Alonso but get away from him, find the two Ferraris side by side into turn 2, and unavoidably terminally damage Massa, both out of race, Hamilton will be champion until the end of the race when the Stewards will judge and Massa ( Ferrari) are champions ??
David Morton
Lifetime Supporter
"the Stewards will judge and Massa ( Ferrari) are champions ??" :furious:
Almost inevitable Frank. Even if the race is rained off ........
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David Morton
Lifetime Supporter
For those that know how to decode:
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=3 summary="This table is used for formatting purposes only" border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD align=left colSpan=2>Aviation Digital Data Service (ADDS)
Output produced by METARs form (1207 UTC 02 November 2008)
found at ADDS - METARs
</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=left colSpan=2>SBSP 021200Z 07004KT CAVOK 21/18 Q1018
SBSP 020929Z 021212 04005KT 9999 SCT025 BECMG 1315 31010KT PROB301821 30015G30KT 7000 TSRA BKN025 FEW030CB TEMPO 0012 8000 RA BKN015TX26/17Z TN20/09Z </PRE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></P>This is Conghonas Airport information which is about 3 miles (ish) away from Interlagos.
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=3 summary="This table is used for formatting purposes only" border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD align=left colSpan=2>Aviation Digital Data Service (ADDS)
Output produced by METARs form (1207 UTC 02 November 2008)
found at ADDS - METARs
</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=left colSpan=2>SBSP 021200Z 07004KT CAVOK 21/18 Q1018
SBSP 020929Z 021212 04005KT 9999 SCT025 BECMG 1315 31010KT PROB301821 30015G30KT 7000 TSRA BKN025 FEW030CB TEMPO 0012 8000 RA BKN015TX26/17Z TN20/09Z </PRE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></P>This is Conghonas Airport information which is about 3 miles (ish) away from Interlagos.
David Morton
Lifetime Supporter
and for the rest - I nearly said Turkeys - here it is decoded:
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=3 summary="This table is used for formatting purposes only" border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD align=left colSpan=2>Aviation Digital Data Service (ADDS)
Output produced by METARs form (1210 UTC 02 November 2008)
found at ADDS - METARs
</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=left colSpan=2><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>METAR text: </TD><TD align=left bgColor=#cdcdcd>SBSP 021200Z 07004KT CAVOK 21/18 Q1018 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Conditions at: </TD><TD align=left>SBSP (SAO PAULO/CONGON, BR) observed 1200 UTC 02 November 2008 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Temperature: </TD><TD align=left>21.0°C (70°F) </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Dewpoint: </TD><TD align=left>18.0°C (64°F) [RH = 83%] </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Pressure (altimeter): </TD><TD align=left>30.06 inches Hg (1018.0 mb) </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Winds: </TD><TD align=left>from the ENE (70 degrees) at 5 MPH (4 knots; 2.1 m/s) </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Visibility: </TD><TD align=left>6 or more miles (10+ km) </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Ceiling: </TD><TD align=left>ceiling and visibility are OK </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Clouds: </TD><TD align=left>unknown </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Weather: </TD><TD align=left>no significant weather observed at this time </TD></TR><TR vAlign=center><TD align=left colSpan=2><HR width="65%"></TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Forecast for: </TD><TD align=left>SBSP (SAO PAULO/CONGON, BR) </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Text: </TD><TD align=left bgColor=#cdcdcd>SBSP 020929Z 021212 04005KT 9999 SCT025 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Forecast period: </TD><TD align=left>1200 to 1300 UTC 02 November 2008 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Forecast type: </TD><TD align=left>FROM: standard forecast or significant change </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Winds: </TD><TD align=left>from the NE (40 degrees) at 6 MPH (5 knots; 2.6 m/s) </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Visibility: </TD><TD align=left>6 or more miles (10+ km) </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Clouds: </TD><TD align=left>scattered clouds at 2500 feet AGL </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Weather: </TD><TD align=left>no significant weather forecast for this period </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Text: </TD><TD align=left bgColor=#cdcdcd>BECMG 1315 31010KT </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Forecast period: </TD><TD align=left>1300 UTC 02 November 2008 to 1200 UTC 03 November 2008 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Forecast type: </TD><TD align=left>BECOMING: Conditions expected to become as follows by 1500 UTC 02 November 2008 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Winds: </TD><TD align=left>from the NW (310 degrees) at 12 MPH (10 knots; 5.2 m/s) </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Visibility: </TD><TD align=left>6 or more miles (10+ km) </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Clouds: </TD><TD align=left>scattered clouds at 2500 feet AGL </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Weather: </TD><TD align=left>no significant weather forecast for this period </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Text: </TD><TD align=left bgColor=#cdcdcd>PROB30 1821 30015G30KT 7000 TSRA BKN025 FEW030CB </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Forecast period: </TD><TD align=left>1800 to 2100 UTC 02 November 2008 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Forecast type: </TD><TD align=left>PROBABLE: 30 percent likelihood of the following during this time </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Winds: </TD><TD align=left>from the WNW (300 degrees) at 17 MPH (15 knots; 7.8 m/s)
gusting to 35 MPH (30 knots; 15.6 m/s)
</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Visibility: </TD><TD align=left>4 miles (7 km) </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Ceiling: </TD><TD align=left>2500 feet AGL </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Clouds: </TD><TD align=left>broken clouds at 2500 feet AGL
few clouds at 3000 feet AGL
</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Weather: </TD><TD align=left>TSRA (rain associated with thunderstorm(s)) </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Text: </TD><TD align=left bgColor=#cdcdcd>TEMPO 0012 8000 RA BKN015 TX26/17Z TN20/09Z </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Forecast period: </TD><TD align=left>0000 to 1200 UTC 03 November 2008 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Forecast type: </TD><TD align=left>TEMPORARY: The following changes expected for less than half the time period </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Visibility: </TD><TD align=left>5 miles (8 km) </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Ceiling: </TD><TD align=left>1500 feet AGL </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Clouds: </TD><TD align=left>broken clouds at 1500 feet AGL </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Temperature: </TD><TD align=left>minimum 20.0°C (68°F) expected at 0900 UTC, maximum 26.0°C (79°F) expected at 1700 UTC </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Weather: </TD><TD align=left>RA (rain)
I can't believe I said that .......
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<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=3 summary="This table is used for formatting purposes only" border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD align=left colSpan=2>Aviation Digital Data Service (ADDS)
Output produced by METARs form (1210 UTC 02 November 2008)
found at ADDS - METARs
</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=left colSpan=2><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>METAR text: </TD><TD align=left bgColor=#cdcdcd>SBSP 021200Z 07004KT CAVOK 21/18 Q1018 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Conditions at: </TD><TD align=left>SBSP (SAO PAULO/CONGON, BR) observed 1200 UTC 02 November 2008 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Temperature: </TD><TD align=left>21.0°C (70°F) </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Dewpoint: </TD><TD align=left>18.0°C (64°F) [RH = 83%] </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Pressure (altimeter): </TD><TD align=left>30.06 inches Hg (1018.0 mb) </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Winds: </TD><TD align=left>from the ENE (70 degrees) at 5 MPH (4 knots; 2.1 m/s) </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Visibility: </TD><TD align=left>6 or more miles (10+ km) </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Ceiling: </TD><TD align=left>ceiling and visibility are OK </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Clouds: </TD><TD align=left>unknown </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Weather: </TD><TD align=left>no significant weather observed at this time </TD></TR><TR vAlign=center><TD align=left colSpan=2><HR width="65%"></TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Forecast for: </TD><TD align=left>SBSP (SAO PAULO/CONGON, BR) </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Text: </TD><TD align=left bgColor=#cdcdcd>SBSP 020929Z 021212 04005KT 9999 SCT025 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Forecast period: </TD><TD align=left>1200 to 1300 UTC 02 November 2008 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Forecast type: </TD><TD align=left>FROM: standard forecast or significant change </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Winds: </TD><TD align=left>from the NE (40 degrees) at 6 MPH (5 knots; 2.6 m/s) </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Visibility: </TD><TD align=left>6 or more miles (10+ km) </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Clouds: </TD><TD align=left>scattered clouds at 2500 feet AGL </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Weather: </TD><TD align=left>no significant weather forecast for this period </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Text: </TD><TD align=left bgColor=#cdcdcd>BECMG 1315 31010KT </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Forecast period: </TD><TD align=left>1300 UTC 02 November 2008 to 1200 UTC 03 November 2008 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Forecast type: </TD><TD align=left>BECOMING: Conditions expected to become as follows by 1500 UTC 02 November 2008 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Winds: </TD><TD align=left>from the NW (310 degrees) at 12 MPH (10 knots; 5.2 m/s) </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Visibility: </TD><TD align=left>6 or more miles (10+ km) </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Clouds: </TD><TD align=left>scattered clouds at 2500 feet AGL </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Weather: </TD><TD align=left>no significant weather forecast for this period </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Text: </TD><TD align=left bgColor=#cdcdcd>PROB30 1821 30015G30KT 7000 TSRA BKN025 FEW030CB </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Forecast period: </TD><TD align=left>1800 to 2100 UTC 02 November 2008 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Forecast type: </TD><TD align=left>PROBABLE: 30 percent likelihood of the following during this time </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Winds: </TD><TD align=left>from the WNW (300 degrees) at 17 MPH (15 knots; 7.8 m/s)
gusting to 35 MPH (30 knots; 15.6 m/s)
</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Visibility: </TD><TD align=left>4 miles (7 km) </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Ceiling: </TD><TD align=left>2500 feet AGL </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Clouds: </TD><TD align=left>broken clouds at 2500 feet AGL
few clouds at 3000 feet AGL
</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Weather: </TD><TD align=left>TSRA (rain associated with thunderstorm(s)) </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Text: </TD><TD align=left bgColor=#cdcdcd>TEMPO 0012 8000 RA BKN015 TX26/17Z TN20/09Z </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Forecast period: </TD><TD align=left>0000 to 1200 UTC 03 November 2008 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Forecast type: </TD><TD align=left>TEMPORARY: The following changes expected for less than half the time period </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Visibility: </TD><TD align=left>5 miles (8 km) </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Ceiling: </TD><TD align=left>1500 feet AGL </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Clouds: </TD><TD align=left>broken clouds at 1500 feet AGL </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Temperature: </TD><TD align=left>minimum 20.0°C (68°F) expected at 0900 UTC, maximum 26.0°C (79°F) expected at 1700 UTC </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>Weather: </TD><TD align=left>RA (rain)
I can't believe I said that .......
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David Morton
Lifetime Supporter
Don't forget - the percentages are probability - not chances out of 100% so a 40% prob would mean almost a raving certainty - like an 80 to 90% chance. If that is double dutch to you think of it another way - a 50% prob (which is never used in met) would mean it's already a certainty so the report would change to a simple statement - like it's raining.
:zzz:
And if it doesn't make any sense to you, too bad. By tonight I will be really pissed and by then I don't really care.
:zzz:
And if it doesn't make any sense to you, too bad. By tonight I will be really pissed and by then I don't really care.
Bloody hell David! Give us a chance, I was just about halfway through decoding that. :laugh:
Two minutes is far too short a time at my age and condition.:drunk:
As for a prediction, after much reflection and navel contemplation, I have decided to be extremely wise AFTER the event. This seems a popular choice as far as F1 is concerned, so I will go with the flow... :blank:
Two minutes is far too short a time at my age and condition.:drunk:
As for a prediction, after much reflection and navel contemplation, I have decided to be extremely wise AFTER the event. This seems a popular choice as far as F1 is concerned, so I will go with the flow... :blank:
Timo Glock leave throttle at last turn.
Now I would like to see who still saying we italiani are the usual mafiosi eh?
A misterious problem at the end of race..this is unfair.
WE were able to loose with tyhe best car.
Vaff..... mc laren...
sorry guys..too sad and too angry here...
Now I would like to see who still saying we italiani are the usual mafiosi eh?
A misterious problem at the end of race..this is unfair.
WE were able to loose with tyhe best car.
Vaff..... mc laren...
sorry guys..too sad and too angry here...
Doc Watson
Lifetime Supporter
yes very slow around the final 2 turns..............
I wanted Massa to be champ..........
:-(
I wanted Massa to be champ..........
:-(
Brian Magee
Supporter
Well let me be the first to say WELL DONE LEWIS. against all odds.
brian.
brian.
If they had written that as a film script we would all laughed at its incredibility !!
Agreed Brian,
I will be the 2nd, Well Done Lewis, well deserved Lewis!
No Ferrari stewards can change this one!
A true Champion.........glad you were wrong in this case Frank ;-)
BTW this has also decided the BBC Sports Personality of the Year !!! IMHO
Hey Paulo, if you had the best car then Lewis's Championship is all the more impressive!Timo Glock leave throttle at last turn.
Now I would like to see who still saying we italiani are the usual mafiosi eh?
A misterious problem at the end of race..this is unfair.
WE were able to loose with tyhe best car.
Vaff..... mc laren...
sorry guys..too sad and too angry here...
BTW if you had the best car then be happy you got the Constructors Championship.
Howard Jones
Supporter
You gotta wonder what Glock got for that one. If he had had a real problem don't you think they would have shown it over and over about a thousand times! And people wonder why the fans booed? Those people on the front straight saw it and voiced their opinion with their mouths. I'm surprised they weren't throwing seat cushions and bottles onto the track.
Complete F1 Bull Shit.....Again!
Complete F1 Bull Shit.....Again!
