More controversy.

Al, I saw this this AM, and could not believe what I saw. These guys were spouting hate at its worst. And yet our government selectively chooses to enforce which laws it wants.
 
Lets see .... African American President ...... African American ATTY GEN. ... Politically bias DOJ (side with whom ever is in office).... and not one charge against the BLACK Panthers. Anyone else starting to see a trend here?
 
The best thing I heard in relation to this was on FOX (yes yes I know) when one of the correspondants put it like this : What if it were the KKK there in full dress and banging night sticks; what would be the case then?
 

Pat

Supporter
It gets better...
It's reported (NOLA.com):
The Bush Justice Department brought the first case against three members of the group, accusing the New Black Panther Party in a civil complaint of violating the Voter Rights Act. The Obama administration initially pursued the case, winning a default judgment in federal court in April 2009 when the Black Panther members did not appear in court. But then the administration moved to dismiss the charges the following month after getting one of the New Black Panther members to agree to not carry a "deadly weapon" near a polling place until 2012.
Whew, no deadly weapons in a polling place until 2012. I wonder who is running for re-election then?
Wait for it... yes... it is Obama!!!
 

Jim Craik

Lifetime Supporter
Al,

You asked me to "give it a rest" I assumed you would "give it a rest", but I guess your special!!
 
wow this is the first I have heard of this and Im an African-American living in Philly. My take on any hate group is force the KKK and the black panthers to live to gether forever...
 

Pat

Supporter
wow this is the first I have heard of this and Im an African-American living in Philly. My take on any hate group is force the KKK and the black panthers to live to gether forever...

I'm with you Tony... There is no place for any of this on any ethnic, cultural or economic level.

But you guys are tough. I once went to a Phillies game and determined that a recon patrol in Vietnam was safer than the left field bleachers at Connie Mack... ;)

Seriously, your comment is spot on.
 

marc

Lifetime Supporter
Well we don't want to waste any money on "frivolous" lawsuits, do we. After all we have created so much debt that we will have to no time or money on something as silly as constitutional rights? Besides thats 200 year old law, not something new and fresh, like from Uncle Mao.

Right Obamao?
 
Al,

You asked me to "give it a rest" I assumed you would "give it a rest", but I guess your special!!

Jim, You don't see something wrong with this? This isn't a left-right thing, it's a case of breaking the federal & state law at a polling place and nothing being done by the DOJ.
 
Jim, You don't see something wrong with this? This isn't a left-right thing, it's a case of breaking the federal & state law at a polling place and nothing being done by the DOJ.

Thats the problem right there: they DONT see somthing wrong with this. They don't care if they have to break laws and go against protections outlined in the constitution. If they followed the constitution, they would be constitutionalists, AKA Conservatives. Remember, they voted for 'change'.

But just you wait. Once someone more conservative gets into office, and some minor offense happens; they are going to bring up every law in the book.

Just keep a list going and bring up stuff like this when they attack the republicans.
 
Just a question: did any of you guys raise a stink like this when many people (mostly blacks) were denied the ability to vote in Florida in the 2000 election? They wanted to keep a small list of people off the voting lines (rightly so for legal reasons) so they used their names only to do this knowing that they were going to grab a lot of other people with the same name and race affiliations, effectively denying lots of potentially democratic voting people away from the polls. That's the government doing it! Not a private party or individual. I wager you took the side of calling anyone who was crying foul a "sore loser." I remember hearing plenty of that when it had nothing to do with winning or losing, but making sure that everyone had a chance to vote - I mean after all, it's supposed to be a democratic process, not a sport.

Just wondering...
 

Jeff Young

GT40s Supporter
Both sides do it. Prosecutions are rare. For each example Al, et. al. put up about this being the end of the world, you could (as Chris notes) put up 50 more incidents of voter fraud, intimidation, etc. from the other side. Yay!

Only tangentially related but I did find this to be an interesting read, kind of plays into the "I hate the scary black dudes" theme you see in some of the posts above:

Let’s play a game, shall we? The name of the game is called “Imagine.” The way it’s played is simple: we’ll envision recent happenings in the news, but then change them up a bit. Instead of envisioning white people as the main actors in the scenes we’ll conjure - the ones who are driving the action - we’ll envision black folks or other people of color instead. The object of the game is to imagine the public reaction to the events or incidents, if the main actors were of color, rather than white. Whoever gains the most insight into the workings of race in America, at the end of the game, wins.

So let’s begin.

Imagine that hundreds of black protesters were to descend upon Washington DC and Northern Virginia, just a few miles from the Capitol and White House, armed with AK-47s, assorted handguns, and ammunition. And imagine that some of these protesters —the black protesters — spoke of the need for political revolution, and possibly even armed conflict in the event that laws they didn’t like were enforced by the government? Would these protester — these black protesters with guns — be seen as brave defenders of the Second Amendment, or would they be viewed by most whites as a danger to the republic? What if they were Arab-Americans? Because, after all, that’s what happened recently when white gun enthusiasts descended upon the nation’s capital, arms in hand, and verbally announced their readiness to make war on the country’s political leaders if the need arose.

Imagine that white members of Congress, while walking to work, were surrounded by thousands of angry black people, one of whom proceeded to spit on one of those congressmen for not voting the way the black demonstrators desired. Would the protesters be seen as merely patriotic Americans voicing their opinions, or as an angry, potentially violent, and even insurrectionary mob? After all, this is what white Tea Party protesters did recently in Washington.

Imagine that a rap artist were to say, in reference to a white president: “He’s a piece of shit and I told him to suck on my machine gun.” Because that’s what rocker Ted Nugent said recently about President Obama.

Imagine that a prominent mainstream black political commentator had long employed an overt bigot as Executive Director of his organization, and that this bigot regularly participated in black separatist conferences, and once assaulted a white person while calling them by a racial slur. When that prominent black commentator and his sister — who also works for the organization — defended the bigot as a good guy who was misunderstood and “going through a tough time in his life” would anyone accept their excuse-making? Would that commentator still have a place on a mainstream network? Because that’s what happened in the real world, when Pat Buchanan employed as Executive Director of his group, America’s Cause, a blatant racist who did all these things, or at least their white equivalents: attending white separatist conferences and attacking a black woman while calling her the n-word.

Imagine that a black radio host were to suggest that the only way to get promoted in the administration of a white president is by “hating black people,” or that a prominent white person had only endorsed a white presidential candidate as an act of racial bonding, or blamed a white president for a fight on a school bus in which a black kid was jumped by two white kids, or said that he wouldn’t want to kill all conservatives, but rather, would like to leave just enough—“living fossils” as he called them—“so we will never forget what these people stood for.” After all, these are things that Rush Limbaugh has said, about Barack Obama’s administration, Colin Powell’s endorsement of Barack Obama, a fight on a school bus in Belleville, Illinois in which two black kids beat up a white kid, and about liberals, generally.

Imagine that a black pastor, formerly a member of the U.S. military, were to declare, as part of his opposition to a white president’s policies, that he was ready to “suit up, get my gun, go to Washington, and do what they trained me to do.” This is, after all, what Pastor Stan Craig said recently at a Tea Party rally in Greenville, South Carolina.

Imagine a black radio talk show host gleefully predicting a revolution by people of color if the government continues to be dominated by the rich white men who have been “destroying” the country, or if said radio personality were to call Christians or Jews non-humans, or say that when it came to conservatives, the best solution would be to “hang ‘em high.” And what would happen to any congressional representative who praised that commentator for “speaking common sense” and likened his hate talk to “American values?” After all, those are among the things said by radio host and best-selling author Michael Savage, predicting white revolution in the face of multiculturalism, or said by Savage about Muslims and liberals, respectively. And it was Congressman Culbertson, from Texas, who praised Savage in that way, despite his hateful rhetoric.

Imagine a black political commentator suggesting that the only thing the guy who flew his plane into the Austin, Texas IRS building did wrong was not blowing up Fox News instead. This is, after all, what Anne Coulter said about Tim McVeigh, when she noted that his only mistake was not blowing up the New York Times.

Imagine that a popular black liberal website posted comments about the daughter of a white president, calling her “typical redneck trash,” or a “whore” whose mother entertains her by “making monkey sounds.” After all that’s comparable to what conservatives posted about Malia Obama on freerepublic.com last year, when they referred to her as “ghetto trash.”

Imagine that black protesters at a large political rally were walking around with signs calling for the lynching of their congressional enemies. Because that’s what white conservatives did last year, in reference to Democratic party leaders in Congress.

In other words, imagine that even one-third of the anger and vitriol currently being hurled at President Obama, by folks who are almost exclusively white, were being aimed, instead, at a white president, by people of color. How many whites viewing the anger, the hatred, the contempt for that white president would then wax eloquent about free speech, and the glories of democracy? And how many would be calling for further crackdowns on thuggish behavior, and investigations into the radical agendas of those same people of color?

To ask any of these questions is to answer them. Protest is only seen as fundamentally American when those who have long had the luxury of seeing themselves as prototypically American engage in it. When the dangerous and dark “other” does so, however, it isn’t viewed as normal or natural, let alone patriotic. Which is why Rush Limbaugh could say, this past week, that the Tea Parties are the first time since the Civil War that ordinary, common Americans stood up for their rights: a statement that erases the normalcy and “American-ness” of blacks in the civil rights struggle, not to mention women in the fight for suffrage and equality, working people in the fight for better working conditions, and LGBT folks as they struggle to be treated as full and equal human beings.

And this, my friends, is what white privilege is all about. The ability to threaten others, to engage in violent and incendiary rhetoric without consequence, to be viewed as patriotic and normal no matter what you do, and never to be feared and despised as people of color would be, if they tried to get away with half the shit we do, on a daily basis.

Game Over.
 
Jeff,
It would be nice if everything were so simple, as to be boiled down to one's skin color (as you did), totally ignoring historical perspective, and current reality.

I'm sure that the success and failure of every person in this country is based solely on their color...ah, yes, that would make it simple wouldn't it.

It would also fit in with the perspective of so many on the left...that "someone else is always responsible for my situation". What is killing this country, and I mean KILLING this country is that absolute lack of personal responsibility that is fully endorsed by our government (or at least large portions of it). Hell, how many politicians make a living telling their constituents that "it’s not your fault. Well, B freaking S!! It is your fault.

Just so you know who’s talking:
I’m a black man.
I grew up in south-central LA.
I’ve traveled all over the world.
I’ve lived in a socialist country, and can tell you first-hand of the realities of socialism.
I speak 3.5 languages (poorly nowadays)
I’m the first person in my family to graduate collage.
I largely paid my way through college and medical school
I’ve scrubbed toilets at 3 am, washed dishes, prepared food and subjected myself to painful medical experiments (not all at the same time, thank heavens) to earn my way.
My parents divorced when I was 6 years old.
One of my parents has done time.
My childhood defined "latch-key kid"and my life had nothing in common with "Leave it to Beaver"

I don’t tell you this as a point of braggadocio, I bring it up so that all you "Lear-jet liberals", who’s only real perspective on race and equality is what you’ve read in textbooks will at least attempt to broaden your perspective a bit. Race is no-longer the sole, or even main determinate of ones being and future. Oh, it plays a roll all right, but not necessarily in the form of racism.

BTW: Only one of the facts about myself listed above is false, and I’m not telling.
Ron
 
So Jeff, You don't see anything wrong with the DOJ dropping this? I campaigned for someone years ago, and I remember there was a barrier to maintain away from the polling place with voting materials, buttons, and talking to people about the candidates, ect. No mention of weapons or intimidation but I'm sure that was there. So because it has happened before, and these guys are on a video, blatantly intimidating people, it doesn't matter. WTF does matter. Why did the DOJ drop it? If they were brown, red, white, yellow, or black, it does matter, something should have been done.
 
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