More Global Cooling/Warming/Change hoax.

[Larry L.]

Man Made Global Cooling/Warming/Changing is so critical that the data had to be falsified to prove it!!!!!!

"A new release of incriminating e-mail exchanges between leading climate scientists that is now being termed “Climategate II” actually represents but another episode in a continuing scandal that has been taking place for decades. This fraud of massive scope and consequence has served as the basis for arguably the greatest regulatory overreach of all time."

Climategate II: More Smoking Guns From The Global Warming Establishment - Forbes

In a court of law, any witness who can be shown to have falsified their testimony at any point in the past, let alone be shown to have done so multiple times, is immediately discredited as a reliable witness and his testimony should be/will be disregarded by any sane juror.

Such is the case with the "global warming" scientists.

 

[Mark]

Yes, facts aren't your style, you are more of a wild ass guess kind of guy.

At least I am capable of making my own statements Jim and raise an opinion all of my own, be it right or wrong!

 

[Pete McCluskey.]

Here we go, two graphs one of temperature since 2009 to present.
surprise, surprise, right on average with cooling for the last two years.
the other is the extent of sea ice, same story. You will be pleased to know that despite what Al Gore says the Polar bears are doing O.K.

 

[Al Wohlstrom]

The Washington Post

The Arctic Ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to the Commerce Department from Consulafft, at Bergen , Norway .

Reports from fishermen, seal hunters, and explorers all point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic zone. Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes.

Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf stream still very warm. Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well-known glaciers have entirely disappeared.

Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelts which have never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds. Within a few years it is predicted that due to the ice melt the sea will rise and make most coastal cities uninhabitable.
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I apologize, I neglected to mention that this report was from November 2, 1922, as reported by the AP and published in The Washington Post - 90+ years ago.

 

[Larry L.]

Hush up, Al...you're making the "greenies" look like the frauds they are. Do you want to see Al Gore & company go broke???

You too, Pete!

 

[Pete McCluskey.]

New Major Study Determines Dangerous, Accelerating Sea Levels Due To CO2 Emissions Is Fantasy

The IPCC's discredited alarmist global warming propaganda took another serious hit from a major scientific study on the empirical evidence regarding accelerating sea levels - per the study, sea levels, due to natural, long-term oscillations, likely to increase only a scant 9 inches by century-end

(Paper here: http: http://goo.gl/DQlFq )
...
The IPCC's refusal to incorporate and/or accept any empirical evidence that is contrary to their climate models' alarmist catastrophe predictions is well known. As a result, the IPCC's scary global warming predictions have been shown to be egregiously wrong and terribly misleading for policymakers.

The anti-science fantasy approach to the IPCC's political-driven "analysis" has suffered another major blow from a new study by Nicola Scafetta. This latest research confirms previous studies about just how wrong the IPCC has been about those "accelerating" sea level increases.

"This is a major paper, which undertakes a comprehensive review of recent studies, which diverge widely in their findings...main reason for divergence is the length of records used in studies, and shows that the quasi-cyclic oscillations of the major ocean basins largely account for the differences in those studies conclusions...it is shown that the periodicity of the major oscillations, being 60 to 70 years, require a minimum record length of around 110 years in order to prevent polynomial fitting of long term secular trends being contaminated with shorter term quasi-cyclic variation. Using tide gauge records going back as far as 1700...compares the trends in sea level rise acceleration at widely spread geographical locations once the quasi-cyclic components are removed and finds the long term global average to be very small – around 0.01mm/yr...study suggests that sea level rise during the C21st [21st century] will be around 277+/-7mm, or about 9 inches." [Nicola Scafetta 2013: Climate Dynamics]

Conclusions:
1. An analysis of long-term empirical evidence confirms 20th and 21st sea level increases have been a function of long-term natural oscillation forces.
2. Potential sea level rise by end of century is highly likely to be less than a foot, well below the IPCC's "scientists'" predictions.
3. The IPCC's climate-model alarmism regarding dangerous, accelerating sea levels due to human CO2 emissions is without empirical merit - summarily, an IPCC fantasy

 

[Mark]

There are only two reasons that anyone would still support the man-made global-warming argument:

1. They have some 'green' technology that they'd like you, or your government to buy. Either directly, or through taxation and subsidies. Or,
2. They have a deep, personal need, to show their neighbours, that they are far more caring, far more compasionate and far more concerned for others, than their neighbours.

1. is commercial BS
2. is smug BS

 

[Keith]

Was that a wild-ass guess? :laugh:

 

[Larry L.]

Here's George Carlin on the subject. For those unfamiliar with him, his language is...uh...a bit...uh...he drops the F-bomb a lot, okay? So, tune that out and listen to his points on this subject (along with those on saving endangered species) - AND THE AUDIENCE'S REACTION TO THEM.

He pretty much n-a-i-l-s it...

(He deals with 'warming' at about 2:27, I think.)


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB0aFPXr4n4"]George Carlin on Global Warming - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Mark]

Was that a wild-ass guess? :laugh:

Of course it's fact. Everything I say is fact! Just because I don't quote supporting evidence from the interweb, doesn't, or at least, shouldn't, suggest the contrary! It is what I believe and therefore, at least to me, this makes it fact! Who cares if anyone agrees with it? :thumbsup:

One thing is for sure. I stand to make zero money and win zero friends from my statements, unlike those who's views on the subject may perhaps differ?

 

[Keith]

OK. I'll make a wild-ass guess. Pete?

 

[Pete McCluskey.]

I'm not sure i understand the question Keith .

 

[Keith]

I have absolutely no idea either. It's a mystery.

 

[Chris Martino]

Matrix Scripts and Transcripts Index:

"I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You're a plague and we are the cure."

"Ignorance gives one a large range of probabilities."
George Eliot

Chris

 

[Bob Fechter]

Chris, how bleak. So you equate yourself to a virus. Well, if you consume without contributing to the ongoing crop, product, whatever, yeah you are a virus. There are more and more of you each year, and you will probably come upon a time when those who produce what you rely on to live will have had enough, and then George Eliot's little prediction will come true. But, it appears you are a productive person with a business and beautiful rewards from your efforts, so I really don't understand how you can post the above.

 

[Chris Martino]

I quoted a transcript from the Matrix, which left an impression on me. Just thought I share and wondered if anyone else read some truth to it.

 

[Keith]

I quoted a transcript from the Matrix, which left an impression on me. Just thought I share and wondered if anyone else read some truth to it.

Oddly enough Chris, that paragraph also resonated with me when I watched the movie, and Smith delivers it beautifully.

Viewing the world askance, one can see some merit in it's claims.

 

[Terry Oxandale]

I thought the very same thing when I heard it the first time, and tried to expose any falsehood about it... but could not. If we are not the "virus", then what is it that we've offered back to benefit the "host"?

Moving on, recently, I've been listening to the various arguments and sales pitches (advertisements) from BP, and also the Canadian pipeline proponents, and have asked myself this; Are we now listening to the same crap we (the U.S. of decades and centuries ago) used to serve up to those South American countries (and various other less economically developed countries of past) of how "we invest more in your country than any body else, we will develop your resources, and bring jobs and prosperity to your country". I can't help but feel we are now on the receiving end of the same message, and that everybody wants to use our resources for their gain, just like we did to others so many times in the past. "Let's tap America's resources, run the pipes through their country, oil up their shores, and then when its done, we can leave the mess behind with them". Yep, I'm a bit cynical considering the latest oil pipeline that split open down here (just up the road) at Mayflower. You can still smell it when driving by on I-40 when the wind is right. But 300 miles away, it's just another newspaper article, with no smell, no one you know refusing to move back into a house that had their yard scraped clean and new topsoil dumped on it, no black stain on one half of the street that reminds you an old pipelline still runs between your house and the lake, or no rainbow film on surface of a natural resource that made that a great location to live.

 

[Larry L.]

Okay, Terry, let's get rid of oil today. In fact, let's say it's gone right now.

Uh................how should/can we heat our homes today? Power our cars, planes, trains, freight trucks or farm machinery? From what shall we create all the countless other things made from oil?

I'm afraid the reality is we're going to n-e-e-d oil until there's a viable, cost effective alternative energy source - and we just don't have one at this point in time, sir.

Pie in the sky is great in the theoretical world...but not so great when applied to the real one.

 

[Terry Oxandale]

This is exactly why I rarely frequent or respond this forum. I voice an opinion regarding the oil pipelines path, and the opposition (correct my error if needed) hears me say "let's get rid of all oil". Why doesn't Canada run it out their west side (no, I didn't say, why don't we get rid of all the potential jobs in the US?)