Anyone got any views on this 'burning' issue?

Larry L.

Lifetime Supporter
Wash. & Colo. may have passed laws d-e-c-l-a-r-i-n-g pot is now "legal", however, unless and until the federal law outlawing pot is repealed - IT ISN'T.

I find it very curious that the Obama Admin has a hissy fit and suuuuuuues any state that DARES to pass anti-illegal immigrant statutes that parallel the federal statutes in that area...but, 'has declared that it won't go after Wash. & Colo. for clearly >violating< federal pot laws.
 
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Pete McCluskey.

Lifetime Supporter
Well I think all drugs should be legalised, prohibition doesn't work and if you take the profit away from drugs you destroy the drug Lords.
I doubt you would have anymore addicts than exist now, and the billions spent trying to enforce the drug laws could be used to manage them.
 
No. Why would I want to?

And why/how/what does that have to do with anything???


Perhaps if you had of you might have some idea of the effects and downfalls. I have, only the once and it was not a nice experience .To legalise cannabis is just insane. Bottom line is that it is a mind altering drug and to make it available as freely as sweets is completely irresponsible, being stoned is every bit as bad as being drunk . I cannot believe its even up for debate.

Bob
 

Keith

Moderator
Perhaps if you had of you might have some idea of the effects and downfalls. I have, only the once and it was not a nice experience .To legalise cannabis is just insane. Bottom line is that it is a mind altering drug and to make it available as freely as sweets is completely irresponsible, being stoned is every bit as bad as being drunk . I cannot believe its even up for debate.

Bob

As a past employer I have to agree with Bob here. A casual weekend user is someone who can't get their head together on a Wednesday. Some of the people in positions of responsibility I employed including quantifying large amounts of cash and banking couldn't add up £50 after waking up and lighting a joint first thing. To me, it was worse than alcohol, and don't get me started on the driving aspect.....:furious:
 

Larry L.

Lifetime Supporter
Perhaps if you had of you might have some idea of the effects and downfalls. I have, only the once and it was not a nice experience .To legalise cannabis is just insane. Bottom line is that it is a mind altering drug and to make it available as freely as sweets is completely irresponsible, being stoned is every bit as bad as being drunk . I cannot believe its even up for debate.

Bob

One shouldn't need to try weed to know/figure all that out, IMHO. It should be instinctively obvious.

Aside from that one point, I couldn't agree more with your view.
 

Pete McCluskey.

Lifetime Supporter
As a past employer I have to agree with Bob here. A casual weekend user is someone who can't get their head together on a Wednesday. Some of the people in positions of responsibility I employed including quantifying large amounts of cash and banking couldn't add up £50 after waking up and lighting a joint first thing. To me, it was worse than alcohol, and don't get me started on the driving aspect.....:furious:

As part of my scenario, any employer would have the right to test for drugs and the right to fire anyone using.
I believe weed is legal in Holland does anyone know what effect that has had?
 

Dimi Terleckyj

Lifetime Supporter
Quite frankly guys,

Lets just let anyone that wants to use drugs use them and overdose, which they eventually will, and we can then get some cleaning out of the gene pool, which is sorely needed.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Dimi
 

Larry L.

Lifetime Supporter
Quite frankly guys,

Lets just let anyone that wants to use drugs use them and overdose, which they eventually will, and we can then get some cleaning out of the gene pool, which is sorely needed.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Dimi


For sooooooo many reasons (not the least of which being the way you think!), I'd really like to meet you one day!

Seriously!

(Fat chance, huh!)
 

Steve

Supporter
Quite frankly guys,

Lets just let anyone that wants to use drugs use them and overdose, which they eventually will, and we can then get some cleaning out of the gene pool, which is sorely needed.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Dimi

Darwin at work is a beautiful thing...
 

Jim Rosenthal

Supporter
I think it ought to be legalized- not because it's good for anyone, but because I agree with whoever above posted about decriminalizing drug use. What's clear is that making it illegal doesn't work; it just supports a huge criminal enterprise, not to mention all the lawyers it employs. Making it legal is the first step towards regulating it, which is in the public interest.
 

Keith

Moderator
The Dutch experience is interesting. For all that it is 'legal' in Holland, or rather 'tolerated' I found the whole experience of an Amsterdam 'coffee shop' rather sad, seedy & unfortunate really.

As a side note to the progressive nature of Dutch attitudes to drugs, one program I was quite keen on some years back was the 'Harm Reduction Strategy.' An official tester would analyse your drugs (permissible drugs only inc MDMA) at the door of a night-club and advise on content. This, I thought was an excellent way of ensuring that under par crap manufactured by criminal gangs would gradually be reduced. What happened? It was unworkable and they gave it up. Like many progressive societies, Holland has been at the forefront of this kind of strategy for many years, including the legalisation of prostitution.

But, if you visit Amsterdam today, you'll find police anti drug activity at a similar height to most other Wester cities. The 'easy drugs' and general tolerance attracted a huge amount of attention from international criminals and Amsterdam became awash with them, seriously impacting on tourism.

You can still have a City Legal shag though. Just be careful you know what's 'down there' first though.

I have been hearing the argument of pro legalisation for many years and nothing I've seen or heard of the issue (remembering that I have worked with and around addicts pushers and major criminals plus provided HMG with consultation material for illegal drugs use in clubs strategy development), has led me to believe that legalising will do away with the criminal elements. They will just devise new and more exciting stuff that will make 'official' supplies look boring. And then what will you have? The legally elected Govt of the day competing with criminal gangs for your next hit.


Cannabis is different. It is a softer drug for sure but if a way could be found to reduce the illegal growers I would be interested in exploring some kind of 'understanding' about possession for personal use, which we already have in place here - in the guise of 'street cautions'.

To even contemplate legalising some of the dreadful stuff out there, to me personally, after recalling some of the things I've been involved in, is quite frankly an appalling prospect. I would definitely have a foot in Dimi's camp for that solution.
 
Quite frankly guys,

Lets just let anyone that wants to use drugs use them and overdose, which they eventually will, and we can then get some cleaning out of the gene pool, which is sorely needed.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Dimi

For sooooooo many reasons (not the least of which being the way you think!), I'd really like to meet you one day!

Seriously!

(Fat chance, huh!)

So what about the carnage caused by these crackhead ,pot smoking disease ridden junkies on your way to cleansing the gene pool. They will be walking the streets,driving cars ,operating machines in the work place and passing on terrible sexually transmitted diseases. It would be a bit like giving the keys to an off license ( liquor store ) to a full blown alcoholic. .The only way you will cleanse the gene pool would be to round up every junkie / drug dealer in the world and shoot all the lowlife scumbags. Meantime regulation keeps a very loose lid on things.

Bob
 
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