24hr du Le Mans.

David Morton

Lifetime Supporter
Sure, I know you are all going to the Classic. I have to go to the 24hr
(again) so if anyone is going to this event ,next week, let me know.
Dave M
 
I'm going. 8am sailing from Dover on Wednesday. I have no idea which camp site I'm at, never been before so should be interesting.
 
Hi David,

I understand that Oliver has a drive in an Audi LM10? are you there "on duty" or are you there for the buzz ?
 

David Morton

Lifetime Supporter
Hi Iain, working for Audi Joest. Do you know the team that Oliver is in?

Jon, We are in the first bungalow on the right entering the airport
from the dual carriageway. You can see it on Google Earth. Call by if you have time.
 
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Hi David

I shall be going - have been invited by Classic Automotive to take part in the drivers' parade around the town on the Friday afternoon/evening. I have a D-type replica and I'm going with 2 Aston Martin DB3S replicas - taking the Thursday night crossing to St Malo. The good news for me is that CA provide free B&B at a nice house at Bener, dinner at a chateau Friday night, plus we get free entry tickets and parking at the race. The bad news is that last year the cars tended to overheat - 2hrs at walking pace on the parade. This year I've drained the coolant and using plain water to help keep temperatures down. Fingers crossed.

If anyone is going to the parade, we'll be parked outside the cathedral at Place des Jacobins from about 3.00pm onwards - I have a BRG D-Type 458 RW. Last year there was a parade of GT40s from the enthusiasts club. I should think they got very hot!
 

Keith

Moderator
Well that's a puzzle Steve. :huh:

Always used the max recommended 70/30 glycol/water mix for my race cars as the boiling point will be much higher. Did a quick search and came up with this:

"A 50/50 mixture of water and ethylene glycol antifreeze in the cooling system will boil at 225 degrees if the cap is open. But as long as the system is sealed and holds pressure, a radiator cap rated at 15 psi will increase the boiling temperature of a 50/50 coolant blend up to 265 degrees. If the concentration of antifreeze to water is upped to 70/30 (the maximum recommended), the boiling temperature under 15 psi of pressure goes up to 276 degrees. "<!-- google_ad_section_end -->


And...

"Adding antifreeze to an automobile radiator lowers the freezing point of the water in the radiator. This keeps the water from freezing and prevents engine damage. The antifreeze also has a higher boiling point than water. Antifreeze boils more slowly than water in hot weather."

You can also use Redline's "Water Wetter" which is even better than Glycols for raising the water boiling temperature in a pressurised system.

That's always been my understanding anyway. Have I got it (had it) wrong? :shrug:
 
Hi Keith

Yes....and No. You are right that the boiling point will raise (Ethylene Glycol boils at c.140oC), but the efficiency of the heat transfer will reduce. So, whilst you have more latitude with temperature, you need it, coz the engine will run hotter. My quest is to keep the engine temperatures down, especially around the cyl head, and plain water is a much better heat sink. It is my understanding (and I'm not claiming to be an expert) that distilled water and the Silkolene coolant additive is the best way to go for racing engines. However, all I am trying to achieve is more efficient cooling at slow speed with the fans full on, and I'm hoping that plain water will do the trick. My confidence is such that I am definitely going to do some testing first! If I'm wrong, I'll confress on this forum.

Now, this stuff gets interesting in relation to fire (my favourite subject). Ethylene Glycol is flammable, though you would not expect a coolant leak to cause a fire. However, on the older Range Rover with the Rover V8 there was a problem with electrolytic action (see the Gates Hoses website) which was causing premature failure of some of the hoses. When the top hose split, the leaking coolant mixture would collect in the 'V' of the engine. The water would boil off, leaving the flammable antifreeze to slowly vapourise and ignite. That was a BIG recall!

Water wetter? Google it and see some of the reviews. I used it once, and the head gasket seeped coolant into the oil once it got hot. I had the shame of being towed around the Le Mans circuit back to the car park - I'm still red with embarrassment!
 

Keith

Moderator
Interesting science Steve and I can see where you are coming from. Many of our American friends use Water Wetter with good results I believe and I'll let them pipe up but perhaps this is not the right thread for this subject.

My XK120 (ERJ 668) had a water cap of 3 gallons and that was barely adequate in hot weather - so I guess you are talking same kind of cap in your 'D'?
 
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