4th of July
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Absolutely correct. It was Patton who said: "No poor dumb bastard every won a war by dying for his country. He wins the war by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."
Truer words were never spoken...
Jim Craik
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So, Steve,
You say this about Keiths post, "Truer words were never spoken"?
You do realize that Keith is implying that the High number of US military deaths in WWII are due, not to our heavy fighting and "commitment", but likely due to "incompetence".
Is that "TRUE"?
Steve, are you really OK with that?
Am I the only US citizen who thinks this is "BULLSHIT"?
You say this about Keiths post, "Truer words were never spoken"?
You do realize that Keith is implying that the High number of US military deaths in WWII are due, not to our heavy fighting and "commitment", but likely due to "incompetence".
Is that "TRUE"?
Steve, are you really OK with that?
Am I the only US citizen who thinks this is "BULLSHIT"?
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Jim, must you pick a fight with everything I say?
I think you're reading into Keith's post a bit, although I'll leave it to him to comment. If our commanders were, by and large, incompetent boobs, we wouldn't have won the war. That's a simple fact that rises above any criticism of the allied/US leadership and makes any dig, intended or not, completely irrelevant.
I think you're reading into Keith's post a bit, although I'll leave it to him to comment. If our commanders were, by and large, incompetent boobs, we wouldn't have won the war. That's a simple fact that rises above any criticism of the allied/US leadership and makes any dig, intended or not, completely irrelevant.
Jeff Young
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I agree with almost all of Keith's post.
But here is the bottom line. From 1939 to 1945, Brits, Canucks, Yanks, Aussies, Russians, Chinese and Kiwis (and others) fought an incredible evil together and won, at a great sacrifice by all. Arguing about who contributed the most or the least, or when, in this day and age only detracts from the incredible victory that was won by people all over the globe against that evil.
But here is the bottom line. From 1939 to 1945, Brits, Canucks, Yanks, Aussies, Russians, Chinese and Kiwis (and others) fought an incredible evil together and won, at a great sacrifice by all. Arguing about who contributed the most or the least, or when, in this day and age only detracts from the incredible victory that was won by people all over the globe against that evil.
Pete McCluskey.
Lifetime Supporter
Plus 1000.
I genuinely didn't think July 4th was a rememberance day.
As its always referred to as a celebration, I kind of took that to mean that the 4th is a celebration of independance. It never occured to think about it deeper than that. Sorry.
And this post clearly started as a toung-in-cheek bit of bravado and fell into BS thanks to me. Again, sorry guys.
Lest we forget.
As its always referred to as a celebration, I kind of took that to mean that the 4th is a celebration of independance. It never occured to think about it deeper than that. Sorry.
And this post clearly started as a toung-in-cheek bit of bravado and fell into BS thanks to me. Again, sorry guys.
Lest we forget.
Don't worry, it's not a remembrance day Mark.
Well finally, Jim Craik has indeed lost the plot.
"You do realize that Keith is implying that the High number of US military deaths in WWII are due, not to our heavy fighting and "commitment", but likely due to "incompetence".
Nobody realises anything of the sort Jim because I didn't say it and didn't imply it. It was a general comment based on how people react to body counts and interpret their meanings. For example, Vietnam being a case in point where the US military, attempting to no doubt influence US citizens approval rating of the war, published daily enemy casualties, presumably as a demonstration of their efficiency.
You seem to be determined to paint me as carrying out an Anti US campaign. Nothing could be further than the truth.
Nobody at all agrees with you Jim and you have once again come onto this newly re-enabled and refreshed forum and chucked a hand grenade in our midst. I honestly do not believe you read any posts properly - you just extract what you WANT to see in order to refresh your misplaced paranoia.
Please please give it a rest.
Two dates from History Jim.
Please look them up (preferably using real world History archives) and come back and tell us what happened on those dates.
April 6th 1917
December 11th 1941
Well finally, Jim Craik has indeed lost the plot.
"You do realize that Keith is implying that the High number of US military deaths in WWII are due, not to our heavy fighting and "commitment", but likely due to "incompetence".
Nobody realises anything of the sort Jim because I didn't say it and didn't imply it. It was a general comment based on how people react to body counts and interpret their meanings. For example, Vietnam being a case in point where the US military, attempting to no doubt influence US citizens approval rating of the war, published daily enemy casualties, presumably as a demonstration of their efficiency.
You seem to be determined to paint me as carrying out an Anti US campaign. Nothing could be further than the truth.
Nobody at all agrees with you Jim and you have once again come onto this newly re-enabled and refreshed forum and chucked a hand grenade in our midst. I honestly do not believe you read any posts properly - you just extract what you WANT to see in order to refresh your misplaced paranoia.
Please please give it a rest.
Two dates from History Jim.
Please look them up (preferably using real world History archives) and come back and tell us what happened on those dates.
April 6th 1917
December 11th 1941
Pete McCluskey.
Lifetime Supporter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence_Day_(United_States
Mark, it's not a Remembrance Day it s a celebration of the Declaration of Independence from Great Britain.
I was agreeing with Jack on the basis of cutting the political BS.
Although I am just as guilty of sprouting political BS as the next bloke.
It's called being a hypocrite
Mark, it's not a Remembrance Day it s a celebration of the Declaration of Independence from Great Britain.
I was agreeing with Jack on the basis of cutting the political BS.
Although I am just as guilty of sprouting political BS as the next bloke.
It's called being a hypocrite
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Jim Craik
Lifetime Supporter
OK Keith, did I read your post correctly?
Did you say the USA immediately declare war on Germany.
Is that true?
Did you say that Germany never "declared" war on anyone.
Is that true?
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Jesus Christ you idiots! Three pages of BS about who killed who under what pretext. The thread name is 4th of July. It is called Independence Day! So shut up about who declared war or who killed how many and crawl back in your mole holes. Pete thank you for pointing out to these AH's what the 4th represents.
Hey Bud, easy on Tiger.
A-Holes?
There I was being all semi-apologetic and caring of others' feelings for once and now I am just an AHole and an Idiot!
Even Jeff was agreeing (in the main), with Keith. I mean, really, this is quite a leap forward in Paddock Diplomacy! Let's not all get chafed up with our pantyhose twisted.
As I read it, only one guy jumped straight into attack mode without any sign thus-far, of compromise.
Cheers
A-Holes?
There I was being all semi-apologetic and caring of others' feelings for once and now I am just an AHole and an Idiot!
Even Jeff was agreeing (in the main), with Keith. I mean, really, this is quite a leap forward in Paddock Diplomacy! Let's not all get chafed up with our pantyhose twisted.
As I read it, only one guy jumped straight into attack mode without any sign thus-far, of compromise.
Cheers
The German declaration in both wars was as a result of treaty obligations to a third party. The Americans declared war not having any such treaty obligations. It is a question of semantics. If it's important to you - you win.
Happy 4th.
Ahhh, someone finally figured out what the 4th of July is celebrated for!
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