A very powerful piece of writing by Bryan Forbes

David Morton

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In the Telegraph today :

MPs may be preparing to defy recommendations to reimburse the taxpayer.

So far, 106 MPs have announced their retirement from the Commons, but dozens more are expected to stand down before the poll which will come before June 2010.
The row over the Legg review increases the likelihood that some of those with the most questionable claims will avoid refunding the taxpayer simply by opting to bow out of Parliament.

They just don't seem to get it yet. The gallows awaits .....I hope.
 
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This subject has not yet been persued with our members of Congress. Only an occasional "airline ticket" has been paid back. I am quite sure the situation at least equals the Parliment in scope. I'll make some noise and learn more...
 

Pete McCluskey.

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In the Telegraph today :

MPs may be preparing to defy recommendations to reimburse the taxpayer.

So far, 106 MPs have announced their retirement from the Commons, but dozens more are expected to stand down before the poll which will come before June 2010.
The row over the Legg review increases the likelihood that some of those with the most questionable claims will avoid refunding the taxpayer simply by opting to bow out of Parliament.

They just don't seem to get it yet. The gallows awaits .....I hope.

Come on David stop holding back, tell us what you really think!

The bastards have their collective noses in the trough over here too.

http://www.aph.gov.au/library/INTGUIDE/pol/parlrem.htm
 

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Ian Anderson

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David

I think it's time the person who leaked to the Telegraph came out

I am confident he would be the next Prime Minister

I am also fairly certain all the other "helpers" would also be elected

Ian
 

Ian Anderson

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Now tell me if I am wrong

gordon brown (no capitals by intention) has for the last umpteen years been living in a provided home
firstly No 11 Downing Street and more recently 10 Downing Street

His first home needs to be in his constituency so somewhere North of Hadrians Wall

So his second home is thus already provided and fully paid for by the taxpayers So where is this 3rd home and why should the taxpayers be funding it at all?

Ian
 

David Morton

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A really good point Ian. Why not write to the Telegraph and say just that. Brown has never listened to the man on the street even to the point of turning off his email. I know where he lives (N. Queensferry) but there is also a security cordon around that house and no hand delivered mail either. He is doomed and his days in office are numbered. It's as though he never saw it coming. But it's not just him - its 600 or so of the other bastards as well no matter which side of the house they sit. I am enraged that the idiot Smith got away with it.
 

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From todays Telegraph:



MPs' expenses: campaign launched to deny Jacqui Smith peerage

A campaign has been launched to deny Jacqui Smith, the first senior MP ordered to apologise to the Commons over the expenses scandal, a peerage.



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Jacqui Smith: a campaign has been launched to deny her peerage Photo: PA


Downing Street is widely expected to honour the convention that as a former Home Secretary, one of the great offices of state, Miss Smith would automatically go to the House of Lords after the election.
But moves are now afoot in the House of Lords and in her Redditch constituency to prevent her being elevated to the peerage if she stands down at the election or loses her seat.
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Miss Smith, who represents the key Midlands marginal, is expected to announce she will stand down rather than risk humiliation at the ballot box at the next election.
Only yesterday Michael Martin, the first Speaker in 300 years to be forced from office, was spotted in the House of Lords for the first time since Downing Street confirmed in the summer that he too would go to the upper house.
He was made to go because of his own role in trying to shield MPs expenses from publication but was quietly given a peerage by the Prime Minister in spite of protests from Opposition MPs.
In Miss Smith’s constituency there is a growing backlash over the verdict of the official Commons inquiry that she broke the rules when she incorrectly claimed £116,000 for expenses at her family home in Redditch -as she had claimed a room in her sister’s house in London was her principal residence.
Lord Oakeshott, a Liberal Democrat Treasury spokesman in the House of Lords, said: “Shamed MPs should not stroll into the House of Lords. The House of Lords appointments commission must vet ex ministers for propriety as rigorously as anyone else. Voters will be shocked if they throw someone out of one house of Parliament then to see them in a cost second home at the other end.”
In Redditch a petition is circulating demanding Miss Smith's immediate resignation and a pledge from Downing Street that she will not be given a peerage.
Helen Martin, who lives in Miss Smith's constituency, said: “Some MPs are repaying a few hundred pounds for their cleaning but our MP gets away with more than £100,000. But the worse of it will be when she will go to the House of Lords where she can claim even more expenses. It will stick in people’s craw round here if we get a Lady Smith of Redditch I can tell you.
 

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The Daily Telegraph again:

(You could not make this shit up !!)


Gordon Brown's authority in crisis over MPs' expenses

Gordon Brown is facing a growing crisis of authority after his review into MPs' expenses threatened to explode in his face.



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Published: 10:00PM BST 13 Oct 2009

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Prime Minister Gordon Brown has faced calls for Sir Thomas Legg to be given a wider remit Photo: REUTERS


The Prime Minister's own MPs began openly defying his call to pay back expenses claims, while some Cabinet ministers blamed him privately for allowing Sir Thomas Legg's investigation to run out of control.
They accused Mr Brown of enabling Sir Thomas to decide his own remit which has led to hundreds of requests for retrospective expenses payments by MPs.
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Mr Brown had hoped that Sir Thomas’s inquiry would pave the way for new reforms that could began to ease the political crisis that has gripped Westminster since The Daily Telegraph began its MPs' expenses disclosures this summer.
But instead senior Labour MPs were claiming that the episode had “backfired" on the Prime Minister.
David Cameron, the Tory leader, stole the march on the Prime Minister, by promising first to expel any of his MPs who failed to abide by Sir Thomas's demands for expenses repayments.
Mr Brown simply followed up by hinting that the whip could be withdrawn in similar circumstances from Labour MPs.
Mr Brown faces calls for Sir Thomas to be given an even wider remit to include expenses abuses which include “flipping” second homes and mortgage payments.
The Liberal Democrats' Nick Clegg became the first party leader to call for a broader inquiry to ensure some MPs do not escape censure, despite clear evidence of abuse.
He said it was vital that Sir Thomas did not let some of the “biggest abusers… off the hook”.
The chaos at Westminster came as MPs on all sides began paying up, after receiving notification from Sir Thomas on Monday.
Lord Mandelson, the Business Secretary, agreed to pay back £800 for gardening fees claimed just before he stood down as an MP in 2004.
The shadow cabinet have so far paid back a total of £17,500, which included £4,733 from Ken Clarke, the shadow business secretary.
Meanwhile, Sir Thomas’s own investigation criteria highlighted how there are likely to be several more high profile victims of the scandal.
It can disclosed that that MPs who rented their second home from a close relative or company they own face having to repay some of the largest sums following Sir Thomas’s inquiry.
It came as Michael Martin, the former Commons speaker who was forced to stand down over his own handling of the expenses scandal, was being made a peer in the House of Lords.
And, in the Midlands, a campaign has been launched to stop Jacqui Smith, the first senior MP ordered to apologise to the Commons over the expenses scandal, to be denied a peerage.
Mr Brown, who on Monday he agreed to pay back £12,500 for cleaning bills, personally ordered Sir Thomas to examine expenses going back five years. But the former civil servant decided on new levels of expenditure on cleaning and gardening and applied them retrospectively.
That has led to a storm of protest from MPs from all sides.
The resentment building against Mr Brown was summed up by one Labour backbencher who told The Telegraph: “I have never known such venom in the tea-room. No one has a good word to say about the stupid so-and-so (Mr Brown) for starting this whole thing.”
In an article for The Daily Telegraph Mr Clegg wrote: “When the Legg process was first announced, I think most people expected the worst offences to come under the toughest scrutiny – MPs who avoided Capital Gains Tax, claimed cash for mortgages that didn’t exist or ‘flipped’ their second home so they could claim for renovations on house after house.
“Legg’s review…will simply not be credible if it doesn’t do all it can to investigate these offences. It must, in particular, expose every single one of those MPs who ‘flipped’ their second homes, potentially making hundreds of thousands of pounds of profits through taxpayer subsidised property market speculation.”
He added: “Every single MP who flipped, avoided Capital Gains Tax or claimed for non-existent mortgages must be forced to repay the money, and held to account.”
At Monday's meeting of Labour MPs Mr Brown faced a wave of anger and was heckled by some colleagues angry at his decsion to pay back the money and order them to do likewise.
Martin Salter, a Labour backbencher, said there was "a lot of anxiety and anger" in the House of Commons, with some MPs considering legal action.
He told the BBC's World At One: "I think there are some MPs who will feel very aggrieved at having the rules reinterpreted five years down the line, who may mount a legal challenge. Any attempt to apply a retrospective value judgment is undoubtedly going to be subject to challenge.
"Far from drawing a line under this appalling situation, which has dragged politics into disrepute, it is going to make the situation many times worse."
Bill Etherington, Labour MP for Sunderland North, said he would not repay claims that were approved at the time by the fees office. The MP, who is stepping down at the election, said he was willing to go to court to keep the money.
He said: "If he has decided I shouldn't have claimed something which I feel was justifiable under the rules at the time, then I won't pay it. If I don't think it's correct they can take the matter to court."
Geraldine Smith, the Labour MP for Morecambe, who has not been asked to pay back any money, said that many of her colleagues would refuse.
She said: “Paying up is almost an admission that you’ve done something wrong. Most people, you aren’t going to write a cheque if you don’t believe you’ve done wrong.”
The mood at yesterday’s Cabinet meeting was also said to be “grim” after Mr Brown’s attempted fightback as MPs returned to the Commons after the long summer break was de-railed by his own expenses repayment.
One senior Government source described the latest twist in the expenses saga as “deeply, deeply demoralising” for Labour.
The source added: “Most Cabinet ministers feel like this. This follows on from the PLP (Parliamentary Labour Party) meeting where there was real anger at how Gordon had managed to get us into this deep mess - where the process was started with good intentions but has not been thought through.
"It is fair to say there is general incredulity that he could let this happen. MPs had gone away for the summer of hell. They took that and we had an ok conference.
“We were coming back [to Westminster] for the final straight in the battle against the Tories in the run up to the election. But there is now a strong sense that it has blown up in our face.”
Ann Widdecombe, the former Tory minister, hit out at the way Sir Thomas had been allowed to change the rules retrospectively.
She said: “If any other employer did this, he would be up before a tribunal. I have spoken informally to a number of practising lawyers and they say that it is contrary to the rules of natural justice.”
Mr Cameron said that any MP who did not pay money back would not be allowed to stand for the Conservatives at the election. He said that was “the minimum” defiant MPs should expect.
Mr Brown’s stance appeared less hard-line, referring instead to “action” against MPs who did not pay money back.
 

David Morton

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Pete - they (Gordons clowns) gave one to Gorbals Mick - the previous speaker - and he took his seat yesterday, so nothing would make me cry any more. However I will go on banging out letters to Brown and any one else I can send them to and trying to encourage others to write as well. I have a voice and now it seems to be all directed at Brown and mostly saying "You were told. You are now disgraced so go."
 

David Morton

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This is just unbeleivable:

From Law Central.

Oct 13, 2009

Gagging order on reporting parliamentary questions is prepostorous

By Gary Slapper
Parliament, already tainted by the hubbub of MPs trying to excuse their endemic financial misconduct, is now under a more sinister spectre. Someone has obtained a court order to prevent certain parliamentary proceedings from being reported. This order violates a most fundamental and cherished part of the British constitution: that Parliament is sovereign and cannot be controlled by private interests operating through the law courts.
At the beginning of the week, House of Commons order papers disclosed a question to be answered by a minister. Someone, however, obtained a court order which prevents the Guardian newspaper from reporting the identity of the MP who wants to ask the question, what the question is, and to which minister it is addressed.

Even the legal reasons why the matter cannot be made open cannot be reported. It is preposterous for Parliament and the people to be held in disdain by a legal order of this sort.
The principle that Parliament, as the embodiment of the people, is master of its own proceedings has been long established. It is a precious and indispensable part of democracy. The principle was established in article 9 of the Bill of Rights (1688) which provides:
“That the freedome of speech and debates or proceedings in Parlyament ought not to be impeached or questioned in any court or place out of Parlyament.”
In his definitive Commentaries on English Law (1765), the jurist Sir William Blackstone noted that the whole of the law and custom of Parliament is based on the maxim that any matters of Parliamentary business “ought to be examined, discussed, and adjudged in that House to which it relates, and not elsewhere.”
This hallowed principle has been repeated through the centuries and is a golden thread running through the law of democracy. In a case in 1839, Mr Justice Patteson ruled that “Beyond all dispute, it is necessary that the proceedings of each House of Parliament should be entirely free and unshackled” and that “whatever is said or done in either House should not be liable to examination elsewhere.”
Parliament is a democratic chamber. It is the main social machine by which the public can have confidence in the way government is run. With public trust in politicians at an all time low it is essential for the electorate to know what their elected representatives are doing. Parliament must be open not opaque, and its proceedings must be overt not covert. It is a dark day for democracy when a law court orders that Parliamentary business be kept clandestine.

Protest this one Gentlemen. Write to your MPs. This is the thin end of the wedge.
 

David Morton

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Hot off the press from the Daily Mail. The now " not so mighty" are beginning to fall at the first real hurdle and some have declared they won't even attempt the first fence. Cowards to a man (and woman but that term is used very loosely when applied to Jaqui Smith).

Don't you just love watching them squirm:

Now mortgage claims are the target: MPs told to produce paperwork or pay up


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Stoking rebellion: Sir Thomas Legg warned MPs they will have to pay back unproven mortgage claims

Hundreds of MPs have been warned they will have to pay back up to £90,000 in unproven mortgage claims.
Auditor Sir Thomas Legg stoked an air of rebellion in Westminster last night as he warned MPs who could not produce documentary evidence to support their mortgage claims would have to return every penny.
Defiant Labour MPs are blaming Gordon Brown, who announced the appointment of Sir Thomas in July as he jostled with David Cameron over who could take the toughest stance over expenses.
One said the performance of the Prime Minister at a meeting of MPs after he agreed to repay £12,415 in excessive cleaning claims was a 'car crash' and predicted the crisis would revive discussion of a leadership challenge.
After receiving a letter from Sir Thomas, one furious former Cabinet minister declared: 'He's damning us all as ****ing criminals'.
There are concerns that MPs who 'flipped' their second homes or claimed for non-existent mortgages are slipping through the net.
Today, Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg called on Sir Thomas to re-open the files and look again at these more serious 'offences'.

'I think most people expected the worst offences to come under the toughest scrutiny - MPs who avoided capital gains tax, claimed cash for mortgages that didn't exist or "flipped" their second home so they could claim for renovations on house after house.

'Every single MP who "flipped", avoided capital gains tax or claimed for non-existent mortgages must be forced to repay the money and held to account.'
He added: 'If we want to rebuild faith in politics, there can be no half measures. Only fundamental reform will be enough.'


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The PM was seen to have been outflanked by David Cameron after the Tory leader told his MPs that if they refused to pay up they will be expelled from the party


Labour MP Stephen Pound claimed Sir Thomas had 'imposed the template of morality over all this rather than legality'.
So far he knew of no one who was refusing to pay up but there were 'some ugly stirrings in the undergrowth', he said.

As tempers frayed yesterday, Great Grimsby MP Austin Mitchell, Labour, said he had 'no sympathy' for Mr Brown over his own repayments.
'I've no sympathy for him because he can afford it, and because he's created this dreadful system,' he said.

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Both Mr Brown and Mr Cameron are struggling to contain a growing tide of anger among backbenchers who are being asked to pay thousands of pounds back to the taxpayer.

But the Tory leader was seen to have outflanked the Prime Minister on the issue, telling his MPs that if they refused to pay up they 'can't stand as Conservative MPs'.

After Mr Cameron's warning, Mr Brown made clear that he would 'consider' similar action against defiant Labour MPs.
The restive mood at Westminster was fuelled by Sir Thomas's extraordinary demand for documentary proof of mortgage payments.
He appeared to be trying to smoke out those who have fiddled their expenses by claiming on mortgages already paid off or by getting the taxpayer to pay the capital, not just interest.
He also singled out MPs with a conflict of interest over their second home - for example, if they had bought or were renting it from a relative, a company in which they had shares, or a close associate such as an employee.
These MPs were told all their claims were 'tainted' and would be regarded as invalid.

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That ruling could affect MPs such as Sir Nicholas and Ann Winterton, who used Commons allowances for six years to pay rent on a flat owned by a trust which listed their children as beneficiaries.
Fellow Tory MP Bernard Jenkin, who claimed £50,000 on expenses to rent his sister-in-law's farmhouse for four years, also falls into this group. Around 80 MPs are understood to have been hit by retrospective limits of £2,000 a year for cleaning costs and £1,000 a year for gardening.
Both Mr Brown and Mr Cameron forced their senior teams to lead by example by getting out their chequebooks and repaying money yesterday.
However the backbench bodies of the two main parties - the Parliamentary Labour Party and the Conservative 1922 committee - are planning an unprecedented joint meeting to agree a strategy of rebellion.


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Claimant couple: Husband and wife MPs Sir Nicholas and Ann Winterton may have to pay back £80,000

Some MPs have discussed referring themselves to the Parliamentary commissioner for standards, on the grounds that an inquiry could postpone the need for money to be repaid until after the next election.
Others are considering the 'nuclear option' of forcing a Commons vote on Sir Thomas' recommendations later this year.
Many MPs accused Sir Thomas of getting his facts wrong.
Labour MP for Sunderland North Bill Etherington, who has received what he says is a mistaken demand to repay £1,000, became the first to go public with a threat not to pay up.
'If he [Legg] has decided I shouldn't have claimed something which I feel was justifiable under the rules at the time, then I won't pay it,' he declared.


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More from Quentin Letts in the Daily Mail. This guy has the most wickedly funny pen ever. Truly wonderful:

Lord Gorbals was grinning from ear to ear... and who can blame him?

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Lord Martin: A lifetime of privileges and allowances is in the bag

Another great day for Westminster: Gorbals Mickwas sworn in to the House of Lords yesterday.
And to think that I went to bed on Monday night thinking, ‘Oh well, at least things can’t get any worse’!
The former Commons Speaker – that Robin Reliant of parliamentarians, that golfer’s air-shot of a statesman – became Lord Martin of Springburn of Port Dundas in the City of Glasgow.
The bespectacled, beaky-nosed, bewigged Lords clerk who reads the formalities at these occasions made sure to pronounce Glasgow with a needle-sharp ‘a’. Keep that up, comrade, and you’ll find yourself hired by BBC Radio Five Live.
It was a big do for Clan Gorbals and there were several family members, including the new Lady Martin, looking down proudly from the visitors’ gallery. Airmiles may have had a busy day.
The event happened soon after lunch. The Martin family watched as his new lordship entered, preceded by Black Rod and by novelty-costumed Garter King at Arms, who handed the required paperwork to the Lords officials with a gesture not unlike a dissatisfied diner paying his bill as he leaves the restaurant.


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Lord Martin, dressed in plutocratic chalk-stripe under his ermine, beamed from ear to ear as he approached the despatch box to utter his oath.
And who can blame him? A lifetime of privileges and attendance allowances is in the bag. Treble barley waters all round (Lord Martin claims to be teetotal).
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It is customary for new peers to be accompanied by two supporters. Usually they come from the benches where the new peer intends to sit but both of Lord Martin’s supporters were Scottish Labour peers. He himself will sit as a Crossbencher, as custom demands for former Speakers.
One of his outriders was Lord Falconer. Nobly volunteered, Charlie. Dirty work but someone had to do it.
The other was that old fool Foulkes, who as you may know is a longtime student of my work and has done more for the sketch-writing business than either Monsieur Michelin or Giacomo Casanova ever did for the rubber industry.
Lord Foulkes wore a smile of seraphic happiness and so lost himself in the heady sweetness of the moment that he swayed slightly on his pins.
Once this latest constitutional atrocity was done – the Tory peers, by the way, failed to give Lord Martin much of a ‘hear-hear’ – it was time to waddle back to the House of Commons and, thank goodness, to witness something of a parliamentary fightback.
Overnight it had been reported that The Guardian newspaper had been prevented by Messrs Carter-Ruck, London libel lawyers, from reporting a parliamentary question.
The ability to describe what is said and written by our MPs and peers is at the smouldering core of our national freedom. What is the House of Commons if its proceedingsare kept secret?

Answer: little but a plaything of the rich, the wrong or the downright sinister.
At 3.30pm, once Health Questions was finished, Squeaker John Bercow took Points of Order.
Whoosh. Suddenly the place was alight with anger about Carter-Ruck’s behaviour.
First up was Paul Farrelly (Newcastle-under-Lyme) the Labour MP who submitted the parliamentary question at issue.
He explained that it was about an oil-trading company called Trafigura.
You may never have heard of Trafigura or wanted to know more about its controversial activities before. Now, thanks to its libel lawyers, it is open season. Well played, Carter-Ruck. Great result, lads!
David Heath, for the Lib Dems, said the Commons had since 1688 enjoyed the privilege of speaking freely. It was the right of the British subject to know what was said at Westminster.
David Davis (Con, Haltemprice) urged Mr Bercow to tell the libel lawyers to get stuffed. Evan Harris (Lib Dem, Abingdon) noted that the great John Wilkes, 18th-century journalist and MP, fought valiantly for the public’s right to read about the Commons.
In short, Messrs Carter-Ruck were tonked out of the ground. Maybe things are looking up, after all.


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Here is the one of the most amazing revelations I have ever seen. The person they are talking about is Jaqui Smiths Porn watching Husband ( Porn that she expected you to pay for until she was found out) :

There was a post yesterday from Richard Timney (Jacqui Smith's porn-loving husband) defending Jacqui's claim for £116,000 of tax payers' money. He went on to demand that we (tax payers) "get off our soap boxes and draw a line under this "little misunderstanding". I would like to remind him that when Jacqui addressed the house on Monday she said ..............."I didn't flip my designation. I only own ONE home". This admission, therefore, confirms unequivocally that her claim for a "second home" was fraudulent. Not only have they no shame - they have no sense of decency, honesty or integrity.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1220239/COMMENTARY-Outrage-Where-shame.html#ixzz0TtnDEgSb
 

Ian Anderson

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Yesterday our local MP David Wiltshire decided he will not seek re election after they started investigating the alleged £100 000 he paid his own company for research projects.

This will open up a new system of checking - I bet they are all at it filtering money into their own companies

This time next year Parliament with only 10 people in it as I think anyone found with their fingers in the till should have their hand cut off and without a hand you should not be anle to stand for election (Now perhaps that is getting too close to Sharia law)

Ian
 

David Morton

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Ian,
This will make a fantastic plot for a book and film though no one will ever think it credible. This David Wiltshire - this thief - is, I fear, one of many yet to be exposed.
Why did he wait so long before being exposed if he knew it would be found out ?
Why does he think we want him to stay until the election ? We have the worst political 'leaders' ever and they cling to every little thing they can to stay in power.
And we let them get away with it as well. Write , and write again. Even write to the Palace and let her know how disgusted you feel. I'm sure she has a clue already, but she is totally powerless.
 

David Morton

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Some of these MPs still just don't understand and think they are going to get away with everything and they don't think its all over for them. It is now.......


This in the Telegraph - which first broke the news abound this scandal and has consistently quite factually reported each stage in the proceedings:
MPs' Expenses: end of MPs' gravy train under Sir Christopher Kelly reforms

MPs are to be barred from using taxpayers' money to improve their homes and the 'John Lewis list' will be scrapped under sweeping changes to be unveiled next month.



By Patrick Hennessy and Ian Johnston
Published: 8:30PM BST 17 Oct 2009

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Controversial rules which allow MPs to claim £400 a month on food are also likely to go in Sir Christopher Kelly's recommendations. Photo: PA


A review by Sir Christopher Kelly, chairman of the Committee on Standards in Public Life, is understood to propose an end to claims for furniture and fittings as part of an overhaul to the parliamentary allowances system.
Controversial rules which allow MPs to claim £400 a month on food are also likely to go in Sir Christopher's recommendations, which follow the exposure of the MPs' expenses scandal by The Telegraph.
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The review is also understood to be ready to propose that MPs should no longer be able to employ family members as research assistants, secretaries or case workers – and to stop MPs claiming for mortgage interest payments.
The overall effect of Sir Christopher's recommendations will be to cut the total amount currently paid by taxpayers to fund MPs' allowances, The Sunday Telegraph understands. "It's the end of the gravy train," a senior Whitehall source said.
One MP's wife has written to Acas, the employment relations body, asking what legal rights she has to keep her job. Suzy Gale, who has worked for 26 years for her husband Roger, the Conservative MP for Thanet, said: "I find it quite extraordinary that my job may well be arbitrarily removed after all these years to satisfy public perception."
Sir Christopher's report, expected to be published in three weeks' time, will be another blow to MPs, who are already reeling from being sent letters last week by Sir Thomas Legg, the former civil servant who is conducting a separate inquiry into the scandal.
Sir Thomas, who is working on a case-by-case basis, has ordered some MPs to make large repayments while others have been told to provide more information about their claims dating back five years.
A survey by this newspaper has found that Bob Ainsworth, the Defence Secretary, is among those set to make a repayment for wrongly claimed expenses – in his case £1,500.
Frank Field, the former social security minister who has made persistently low claims over the last few years, has strongly protested after revealing that Sir Thomas has ordered him to repay just over £7,000. He said he felt he had gone from "honourable member to rogue" because of "retrospective and unprecedented" changes to the rules imposed by Sir Thomas.
Sir Christopher, meanwhile, is understood to be working out the final details of a system which would see MPs' rights to claim mortgage repayments on second homes phased out in favour of claims being allowed only for rental payments.
This would be resisted by many MPs who would claim it would effectively force them to sell properties and rent replacements – or let their current dwellings and rent "third homes" to qualify for reimbursements from the taxpayer.
Any new scheme could be modelled on a system currently in operation at the Ministry of Defence, which uses a letting agency to rent homes in London for senior officers.
The "John Lewis list" – which allowed MPs to claim up to £1,000 for a bed, £250 for a coffee table, £600 for a dining table, and £550 for a fridge-freezer – will be no more under the new system, which is likely only to permit the cost of repairs. Under the old system MPs were allowed to claim £10,000 for a new kitchen and £6,000 for a bathroom, but in future they will have to fund their own refurbishments.
Another casualty is set to be the £400 allowance currently available to MPs to spend every month on food – widely seen as one of the most unjustified payments under the old regime.
Sir Christopher, whose report will be delivered to the Members' Estimates Committee, made up of senior MPs from all parties, is understood to be ready to meet one of the key demands made by Gordon Brown earlier this year – that any new system should end up costing the taxpayer less. The Additional Costs Allowance – which allowed MPs to claim for their second homes – cost £11.5 million in 2007-08. So far, 273 MPs have revealed they have been told by Sir Thomas Legg, a retired civil servant asked to investigate abuses, either to refund expenses or to answer further questions about their claims.
Despite only about half of them – 129 MPs – being prepared to disclose the sums of money involved, the total now stands at £264,000.
A further 161 MPs say they have been cleared. In all, 476 out of the total of 646 MPs have now spoken publicly about the letters they received from Sir Thomas last week – including those refusing to disclose the content of the correspondence.
One of the highest profile figures among those who told The Sunday Telegraph they would be returning money was Mr Ainsworth, who said he was returning £951 for "an inadvertent duplication of a claim for fencing" and £575 for a piece of furniture, a dresser, which was paid for out of his second homes allowance.
An aide emailed a statement saying he had "agreed to repay £1,526.50 in respect of two claims" and added: "Bob is extremely sorry for the two claims made in error, it was a genuine error."
Meanwhile, Mr Field, who was one of the few MPs to vote to make expenses public and who was declared a "saint" during the Telegraph's investigation into expenses after making persistently low claims, revealed he had been asked to pay back £5,000 in housekeeping costs, £1,800 in household bills and £230 from other allowances relating to his house in Birkenhead.
His yearly claims under the second homes allowance ranged from £7,303 to £12,006, well below the £20,000-plus maximum allowance which many MPs claimed annually.
Criticising the decision by Sir Thomas to impose a £2,000-a-year limit on claims for cleaning and £1,000-a-year on claims for gardening, Mr Field said: "Imagine that you have been driving, perfectly legally, through a 30mph zone at a speed of 25mph. Imagine then your reaction when, five years later, you receive multiple fines as a decision has been taken to change, retrospectively, the speed limit to 20.
"Last week I replied to Sir Thomas. I was dazed that, as someone who has always been open about my expenses, his arbitrary decision should link me with the abuses known all too well to voters. I have requested that he withdraws his suggestion, but I am not holding my breath."
Additional reporting: Alex Ralph, Ben Leach and Alastair Jamieson
 

David Morton

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But we knew the election was a farce and still we send more men ?

From the Telegraph:


Hamid Karzai refuses to accept being stripped of Afghanistan election win

Afghanistan was thrown into crisis on Monday after Hamid Karzai threatened to refuse to accept the results of a fraud inquiry which denied him victory in the presidential election.



By Ben Farmer in Kabul
Published: 7:20PM BST 19 Oct 2009

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President Barack Obama's aides said it would be 'reckless' for him to commit more troops to Afghanistan until there is a 'true partner' to work with in Kabul, in veiled criticism of Hamid Karzai Photo: AP


A two-month investigation into allegations of widespread ballot-rigging by supporters took his share of the vote from 55 per cent to 48 per cent, officials said.
The findings of the Election Complaints Commission (EEC), which is backed by the United Nations, meant he fell below the 50 per cent that would have averted the need for a run-off with his closest rival, Abdullah Abdullah.
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The ECC found “clear and convincing evidence” of fraud in the election, held on Aug 20, and ordered officials in charge of the final tally to ignore results from 210 polling stations and thousands more found to be rigged in a statistical audit. Election observers from Democracy International said it took Mr Karzai’s vote to 48.3 per cent of the overall total.
It issued a statement saying: “This reduces his vote share below the 50 per cent threshold necessary for a first round victory, and should necessitate a run-off election between Hamid Karzai, and Abdullah Abdullah.”
A UN spokesman said Mr Karzai had said he would “fully respect the constitutional order”. But the president was said to be furious with the findings, while the Karzai-appointed election committee, which must certify the final results, also signalled that it would not accept them. US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Mr Karzai would announce on Tuesday how he planned to proceed in the Afghan elections.
Officials said they needed 24 hours to calculate what effect the ruling had on the final results. Mohammad Moin Marastyal, a senior member of the president’s team said the procedure was “not correct”.
“Efforts have been made to lower Karzai’s vote to below 50 (per cent),” he said. “Now we are in a deadlock.”
Western governments hope Mr Karzai can be persuaded to accept that he did not win outright and then agree to a power-sharing deal with Dr Abdullah. In the past few days, diplomats have been putting him under intense pressure to accept the result and reach an agreement with his rival on how to move forward.
They are keen to avoid putting the country, and Nato troops, through a protracted and divisive second round.
One Western official said: “Karzai is not ready to accept it at the moment. He thinks he has won.”
Hundreds of Karzai supporters in southern Afghanistan, where he has greatest tribal support, have already protested on the streets at what they claimed was foreign interference in the result. The crisis threatens to cause a power vacuum as President Barack Obama decides whether to send 40,000 more American troops to fight a Taliban-led insurgency.
The White House said it was “incredibly important” for Afghanistan to get a legitimate government. “It is now up to the Afghans to demonstrate they believe in that legitimacy as well,” said Robert Gibbs, Mr Obama’s press secretary.
Senator John Kerry, an ally of Mr Obama who chairs the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, visited the Afghan capital on Monday to try to persuade Mr Karzai to accept the results of the inquiry. Mr Kerry, the chairman of the Senate foreign relations committee, held talks with Mr Karzai at the weekend and then flew to Islamabad, but he returned last night as the crisis grew.
Mr Kerry has warned Mr Karzai that the United States would not send more troops to prop up his regime until the deadlock was broken.
The ECC, which has been accused by Mr Karzai’s supporters of being run by interfering foreigners, said the ruling was “final and binding”.
Aleem Siddique, a spokesman for the UN in Afghanistan, said it expected the final result to be announced “swiftly”. A spokesman for the US embassy in Kabul added: “We call on the [election committee] to implement these orders with all due speed and look forward to the final certified results.”

IF YOU FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT THIS FARCE, PLEASE BOMBARD YOUR POLITICIANS WITH EMAILS AND LETTERS. They have to know how most of us (2/3rd) feel about this total sham and actually propping up Hamid Karzai. He should be exposed for what he is and has done.
 

Keith

Moderator
"Prop up his regime?" (Kerry) Vietnam quotes surely! Have we entered a crack in the space/time continuum?

It's all very laudable to say this now (years too late) but what about the enhanced danger for the troops already there?

I predict civil war which the Taliban will exploit and ultimately an air evacuation of exceedingly large proportions.

Time to shit or get off the pot..
 
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