And Now Holden......

Pete McCluskey.

Lifetime Supporter
The report is a little misleading in that Abbott didn't say there would be no more assistance
For GMH he said there would be no additional assistance. Holden wanted more tax payers money. The 3000 workers are direct employees of Holden, but of course there will be many more employees of contractors and parts suppliers who will also lose jobs. A classic example of Union bosses pushing wages and benefits to a level where the company becomes uncompetitive and is forced to pull the pin.
One major catalyst was the carbon tax introduced by the Gillard Government and which Abbott has a mandate to repeal. However the upper house still dominated by the labor and the greens keep blocking its repeal.
 
A classic example of Union bosses pushing wages and benefits to a level where the company becomes uncompetitive and is forced to pull the pin.
One major catalyst was the carbon tax introduced by the Gillard Government and which Abbott has a mandate to repeal.

It's like one bunch of Moron's see another bunch of Morons fuck up and say to themselves, "I know, how about we do what those clever English blokes did? That seems to have worked out just fine!"

And as for the Carbon Tax..................... jehdrbgfv;oqbvIOP@QbviopqbvO@JoljbwerDVLJ/BWSDVLJBojbWER! :furious:
 

Pete McCluskey.

Lifetime Supporter
Holden also didn't react quickly enough to changes in the marketplace, and Australia's population 23 million is to small to sustain a viable car industry without export sales and Holden cannot compete on a world market. The best way to shut people up when they complain about job losses is to ask them what make of car they drive.
You can bet the answer will be Toyota, Mazda, or such not Holden.
What I find interesting is the wailing and recrimination emanating from the press against the Abbott Government which has only been in power a matter of weeks.
When Ford pulled up stumps under the Labor Government there was hardly a whimper.
 

Pete McCluskey.

Lifetime Supporter
: I want a job at Holden

And we wonder why businesses are closing down in Australia – banana republic coming to a town near you.!
ONLY $150 million a year will save Holden? Rubbish. The Holden Enterprise Agreement is the document that has utterly sunk Holden's prospects. It defies belief that someone in the company isn't being held to account for it.
Holden's management masks a union culture beyond most people's comprehension. Employment costs spiralled way beyond community standards long ago. Neither "pay freezes" nor more money will save Holden, but getting the Fair Work Commission to dissolve the agreement and put all workers on the award wage might be a start.
In 1991, the pre-enterprise bargaining award wage of a Holden entry level process worker was $462.80 a week. In 1992, Holden began enterprise bargaining and now a worker at that same classification level has a base rate of $1194.50 a week, a 158 per cent increase, or a compound increase of 4.4 per cent year on year for 22 years. Right now, base wage rates for process workers in the Holden enterprise agreement are in the $60,000 to $80,000 per year range and in recent times, "hardship payments" of $3750 were given to each worker.
The modern award for such workers mandates base rates in the $37,000 to $42,000 range. This means that before we add any of the shift penalties, loadings, 26 allowances and the added cost of productivity restrictions, Holden begins each working day paying its workforce almost double what it should. After you add in the other employment costs, I estimate Holden's workforce costs it somewhere close to triple the amount it should.
Many people who work at Holden don't actually work for Holden; they work for the union. Occupational health and safety people are given 10 days' paid time off a year to be trained by the union. Most companies do not allow unions to train their OH&S people because the knowledge is used to control the workplace to the benefit of the union.
Union delegates are also allowed up to 10 paid days a year for union training in how to be effective union delegates and two of these delegates are entitled to an extra Holden sponsorship of one paid month off to "further their industrial and/or leadership development".
Holden's rules on hiring casuals are shocking and unheard of in today's market. The agreement forbids Holden from hiring casuals except when a "short-term increase in workload, or other unusual circumstances occurs". If this situation arises Holden has to "consult and reach agreement" with the union. Further, "Engagement of the agreed number of casual personnel will be for the agreed specified tasks and the agreed specified periods." If any of this changes, Holden must get union agreement again. After three months of continuous full-time work a casual must be made permanent. It is impossible to run a business like this.
An ex-employee from Adelaide, on condition of anonymity, consented to an interview yesterday. He described the workforce as "over-managed", with one team leader for every six workers on the production line, when one for every 25 workers would suffice.
He said "some of us workers felt it wasn't necessary to get paid what we were getting paid to do the jobs we were doing", adding that their work is probably worth about "20 bucks an hour". A few years back, mates took redundancy packages in the order of "$280k plus". Workers are "like sheep" that blindly follow the union leadership. At induction, new workers are ushered into one-on-one meetings with the union rep who heavies them into joining. "It is made clear that if you don't join the union you will be sacked," he said. Union representatives "don't actually do any work for Holden", but rather make themselves full-time enforcers of union control.
He says workers are drug tested before hiring, but "only have to stay off it for a few weeks, get in the door and then you'll be right". Workers caught taking drugs or being drug-affected at work are allegedly put on a fully paid rehabilitation program, with special paid time off of about four weeks duration, before being let back into the workforce.
Australian workplaces have a zero tolerance for drug use, with instant dismissal the remedy, but at Holden "the union won't let the company sack" any workers caught dealing, taking or being on drugs. "If they did a random drug test tomorrow they'd probably have to sack 40 per cent of the workforce," he adds.
If the Holden scenario were playing out in a privately owned business, proper cost-cutting strategies would be used. If you have the will and can hire the skill, there are many ways to cut labour costs. The workers can be given a couple of years notice of significant wage drops and can receive lump sum payouts of entitlements to help bring down family debt.
Of course, these strategies are only ever used by business people who have no one else to bail them out. It seems Holden would rather leave the country than dissolve its enterprise agreement. The union thinks members are better off jobless than on award wages. Holden's fate seems sealed.
If Holden does leave, workers will receive the most generous redundancy benefits around. Holden says leaving will cost $600m. Most of this will go to staff payouts. The fellow interviewed agrees with my calculation: the average production-line worker will walk away with a redundancy package of between $300k-500k.
 
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marc

Lifetime Supporter
Dang, I was hoping they'd import some Utes to America. I miss the El Camino. The Mahloo(sp?) looks great but the name won't fly in US. Congratulations Unions, you will be out on the street, guess you'll just have to get back into the protection racket where you came from.
 
Is the Orstralian car industry down to this?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdcpLP_eYMo]Human Car Sounds Guy - Australia's Got Talent - YouTube[/ame]

Bob
 

flatchat(Chris)

Supporter
Er, yeah! Bob he's sooo taalented :laugh:
We gotta talk to these guys in their own language all day long :idea:

It gets down to this -- in the old days you saved up and bought your new "family" car -- and it had prestige value
Today --your're thinking new car, you're signed up owing everything owning nothing, cruising the streets with the ultimate cool bling factor--nothing more.
ie living beyond you means

Car makers are 5 - 10 years ahead in their planing for the next model --so whats happened to all this investment ? or were we 10 -20 years behind already.
In that case "Holden" could've been developing a future vehicle, that say China would manufacture for the world.
I just don't get it any more :worried:
 
Hey that guy was entertaining! Don't take life so seriously, have a laugh fer christsakes. Not going to get him into school, not going to get him a job in the auto industry. Although a spot doing sound in the next Pixar "Cars" movie seems a possibility.

It was just plain simple fun.
 

Larry L.

Lifetime Supporter
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