Chuck and Ryan's RCR Build

Chuck

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Chassis Alignment, Front, Camber and Ride Height

Much has been said about chassis tuning. There are many good posts. Dean Lampe wrote an excellent article published in Kit Car. For what it is worth, here is what we did.

1. Ride height. Ride height must be established before one can tune the chassis. We made four blocks to set the ride height. Three short pieces of 2 x 4 to give us a block 4 ½” high. This then became the measurement for the front ride height. We did the same for the rear, but added a ½” piece, so the rear ride height would be 5”. When setting ride height, keep in mind that the car will settle a half inch or so, so add a little extra. To do the remaining chassis adjustments, we simply rest the chassis on the ride height blocks.

2. Remove the shock absorbers. It makes the rest of the job a lot easier.

3 Lower control arm. The heim bolts need to be turned out six to eight threads from the lock nut, both fore and aft. When locating them within the mounting pockets, bias the lower control arm forward by placing three fourths of the washers aft of the heim bolt. This is necessary to assure the tire will clear the chassis and to establish the castor.

Getting those washers into place is a real challenge best accomplished with two people. We found it impossible to get an absolutely fight fit, since the gap remaining after the washers were all in place was too narrow for another washer, but loose enough that we could wiggle the washers a bit. To resolve this issue shims could be cut from thin aluminum, slid into place, and the tabs bent over to hold it.

4. Upper control arm. Remove the lock nuts from the heim bolts. They are not necessary. One needs to get the upper control arms relatively close which the lock nuts prevent. We left about three threads exposed to set the camber. It is easier to adjust the camber with the top control arms since one does not have all those crazy washers to deal with as on the bottom control arms. We spaced the washers so that the upper control arm was centered.

5. Check the camber with the lower control arm in the correct right height position. (4 ½” spacer under the outer end in our case). We settled on camber of about negative -.5 degrees, nearly neutral.

A digital level was used to check the camber. I know this is not the best method for measuring camber, but it seems to work pretty darn well. There comes a time when one just gets tired of having to buy new tools for every little issue. It was checked with the level in opposite positions to make sure the level was properly zeroed.

We checked the camber with the tires off against the brake rotor, and rechecked it with the tires on against the tires. The measurements were within a few tenths of a degree, which should be fine for street use. Note that the camber changes noticeably as ride height changes which is why the lower control arm and the chassis need to be set at proper ride height. Recheck the ride height after a few miles.

6. Castor is less critical. For steering that will tend to pull more to center, add castor. For less centering affect, less castor. The manner in which the lower control arm is positioned forward and the upper control arm centered will dictate the castor. To change it, move the upper control arm forward or aft. For now, we are going to leave it centered and see how it handles.

7. Toe was determined using the parallel strings, as described by Dean Lampe in his article. We settled on just a slight bit of toe in. Interestingly, one reference we saw for tuning a GT 40 recommends slight toe-out for the track and toe-in for the street.

8. Using string as a reference point for chassis alignment requires that the string be perfectly parallel to the car. Knowing that the RCR chassis is remarkable square, we simply measured from the grove that holds the lower rocker panels in place. Four 16” long pieces of two inch wide aluminum were cut. These were slid in the grove that holds the lower rocker panels. A square was then pushed up against these four aluminum pieces and used as a reference for aligning the string. Admittedly this is not the most accurate way for aligning a chassis, but for road use it proved satisfactory.
 

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Chuck

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Headlight Access Covers

There is an opening in the front wheel wells to gain access to the headlights that needs to be sealed. When we visited Ray Maserang, Walnut Park Auto, Crestwood, MO, to drop off the wheels he showed us his solution. He made covers out of fiberglass mat: a simple but effective solution. We decided to do the same. This is a good project for someone that has never worked with fiberglass before.

A pattern was made. Two pieces of fiberglass mat were cut about a quarter inch larger than the pattern. The two sections of mat were then laid out on a piece of wax paper in opposite directions. A batch of fiberglass resin was mixed up and spread over the fiberglass mat. Only one layer of fiberglass mat is needed in this application. After it had set up, but was not yet completely dry, it was cut and trimmed with scissors to assure a perfect fit. The surface that was against the wax paper was perfectly smooth.

The panel is held in place with four quarter inch stainless screws. Threaded screw clips on the opening provide a secure connection. It was painted semi-gloss black to match the inside fender

If one wanted ducted brake cooling, one would cut round openings on the inside lower portion of the front clip to attach to flexible ducting. We are not installing ducted brake cooling so another way to relieve the build up of air pressure was needed. A three inch hole was drilled in the fiberglass panel we had fabricated and a vent cover from West Marine was placed over it to keep the stones out.
 

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Chuck

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Chassis Alignment, Front, Camber and Ride Height, REVISED

The prior post on this topic suggested discarding the lock nuts on the upper heim bolts. I goofed. This is NOT the right approach. The lack of lock nuts can cause the threads to wear and perhaps lead to failure of the joint – a potential safety concern. Following is a revised version of that post. Credit to Big Foot (Randy) and Crash33 for noting this issue.

Much has been said about chassis tuning. There are many good posts. Dean Lampe wrote an excellent article published in Kit Car. For what it is worth, here is what we did.

1. Ride height. Ride height must be established before one can tune the chassis. We made four blocks to set the ride height. Three short pieces of 2 x 4 to give us a block 4 ½” high. This then became the measurement for the front ride height. We did the same for the rear, but added a ½” piece, so the rear ride height would be 5”. When setting ride height, keep in mind that the car will settle a half inch or so, so add a little extra. To make the remaining chassis adjustments, we simply rest the chassis on the ride height blocks.

2. Remove the shock absorbers. It makes the rest of the job a lot easier.

3. Use anti seize on all threaded joints to prevent galling between the aluminum control arms and the steel bolts.

4 Lower control arm. The heim bolts need to be turned out six to eight threads from the lock nut, both fore and aft. When locating them within the mounting pockets, bias the lower control arm forward by placing three fourths of the washers aft of the heim bolt. This is necessary to assure the tire will clear the chassis and to establish the castor.

Getting those washers into place is a real challenge best accomplished with two people. We found it impossible to get an absolutely fight fit, since the gap remaining after the washers were all in place was too narrow for another washer, but loose enough that we could wiggle the washers a bit. To resolve this issue shims could be cut from thin aluminum, slid into place, and the tabs bent over to hold it.

5. Upper control arm. There were two lock nuts on the ball joint – upper control arm: one on either side of the control arm. To move the upper control arm inward, remove the lock nut from the ball joint side. Then turn the ball joint stud into the upper control arm until three threads are exposed. The lock nut on the inside of the ball joint – control arm can then be tightened down.

Do NOT remove the lock nuts on the heim joint. With the ball joint brought inward by removing the outside lock nut there is enough space to retain the heim joint lock nuts. We had about three threads exposed past the lock nut when it was aligned. We spaced the washers so that the upper control arms were biased slightly rearward by about one washer to give it a bit more castor.

6. Check the camber with the lower control arm in the correct right height position. (4 ½” spacer under the outer end in our case). We settled on camber of about negative -.5 degrees, nearly neutral.

A digital level was used to check the camber. I know this is not the best method for measuring camber, but it seems to work pretty darn well. There comes a time when one just gets tired of having to buy new tools for every little issue. It was checked with the level in opposite positions to make sure the level was properly zeroed.

We checked the camber with the tires off and the level against the brake rotor, and rechecked it with the tires on against the tires. The measurements were within a few tenths of a degree, which should be fine for street use. Note that the camber changes noticeably as ride height changes which is why the lower control arm and the chassis need to be set at proper ride height. Recheck the ride height after a few miles.

7. Castor is less critical. For steering that will tend to pull more to center, add castor. For less centering affect, less castor. The manner in which the lower control arm is positioned forward and the upper control arm biased slightly rearward will dictate the castor. To change it, move the upper control arm washers forward or aft. For now, we are going to leave the top slightly rearward and see how it handles.

8. Toe was determined using the parallel strings, as described by Dean Lampe in his article. We settled on just a slight bit of toe in. Interestingly, one reference we saw for tuning a GT 40 recommends slight toe-out for the track and toe-in for the street.

9. Using string as a reference point for chassis alignment requires that the string be perfectly parallel to the car. Knowing that the RCR chassis is remarkably square, we simply measured from the grove that holds the lower rocker panels in place. Four 16” long pieces of two inch wide aluminum were cut. These were slid in the grove that holds the lower rocker panels. A square was then pushed up against these four aluminum pieces and used as a reference for aligning the string. Admittedly this is not the most accurate way for aligning a chassis, but for road use it proved satisfactory.
 

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Chuck

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Cold Box

Those hot headers merging into the collectors radiating heat to the rear Webers is not a good situation. A cold box that would deflect radiant heat and look reasonably original was the goal. The IDF carbs have a different intake manifold than the IDA carbs. The bell crank mount and the location of the carb linkage made it difficult to use a base plate as is typically used on the IDA set ups without cutting it up like a slice of swiss cheese. So we kept it simple: shield only the rear and sides.

The three panels were fabricated from eighth inch aluminum, likely heavier material than necessary. Two small ‘wings’ were fabed to attach to the front to make it look more ‘finished.’ Openings were cut along the bottom edge of the side panels to clear the idle screws, accelerator pump linkage, and a hump in the center of the valve cover. Once the panels were fabricated, small holes were drilled and safety wire use to temporarily secure the panels together to confirm the fit.

A jig was made foam core board; not the material of choice but easy to work with, cheap, and handy. We then took the panels, setting on the foam core jig, panels 'safety wired' in place, to our local welding shop and they nicely spot welded the panels together.

Four brackets were made from a strip of aluminum secured to the carb bolts to hold the cold box in place.

When closed, there is about an eight to a quarter inch of clearance between the top of the box and the bottom side of the rear clip. This cold box will not prevent heat from radiating from the intake manifold upward, but it should be effective in minimizing radiant heat from the exhaust manifolds. And it looks original. Sort of . . . . .
 

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Chuck

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Tom: just three weeks to R & G . . . . .

John: I have used Thermo tex heat shielding before (on the engine side of the firewall), and will likely use it again when we fab heat shields to protect the clip from the heat from the collectors, a point where the two come togther a bit close. It is good stuff.

Chuck
 

Chuck

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Audi to ZF Conversion

In September Ryan and I paid a visit to Fran. (Sort of an annual pilgrimage for believers). The conversation turned to the Audi transmission. The transmission works just fine, but the ratios are not well suited to the way we want to drive the GT. Fran persuaded us to pull the Audi and replace it with a ZF. It did not take much persuasion. Fran had virtually of the parts in stock. The rear end of our BMW 330 was hanging a bit low as we drove home with a ZF, half shafts, headers, and various other parts and bits in the trunk.

What is impressive is that the option for switching transmissions was available. Being able to leave RCR with the parts needed to switch from an Audi 016 to a ZF demonstrates the flexibility of the design.

But there was a problem. About this same time the engine started acting up. We did leak down and compression tests with rather startling results. Most of the cylinders had leak down of 20% or more. Compression ranged from 50 to 90 pounds. When doing the leak down test there was not just a hiss, but a gust of air blowing from the valve cover vents. So the initial impression was a problem with the piston rings. There have been issues with this engine from the outset, so we decided to pull it out, have it torn down and rebuilt to determine the problem and give us some piece of mind.

There are some upsides to this dilemma. With the drive train out of the car some of the niggling little details that were hard to access can be cleaned up, like the routing of wire harnesses and lines; items hard to get to with the engine in place. We decided to go over the entire car and revise some details and make a number of other improvements.

Details to come.
 

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Jim Rosenthal

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Chuck, what are the ratios of the ZF transaxle that you are putting in? Just curious. Is it an RBT or one of Chris' ZFQ units?

It's a shame about the engine. You would think the rings would have seated by now- they ought to have. I haven't been following the thread long enough to recall where the engine came from- was it a crate motor when you got it? This sort of complication wouldn't surprise me on a crate motor, but it would surprise me a lot on a custom build. 50-90 lbs compression means you are getting hardly any power at all from that engine. Your car is going to be a fireball when you get the engine squared away and running normally- I think normal compression would be 150 lbs or more on each hole.
 
Jim, It grieves me to say this but I believe I'm correct in stating that Chuck and I have literally the same type engine from guess who.....T & L Engine Development. Gulp!!
 

Chuck

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Yea, the engine is a T and L. Lots of issues. If I get ambitious and can find the time I may list them all in a post.

Lumpy at Performance Motorsports Systems, Greenville, Illinois, is doing the rebuild. He helped with Dean's engines and came highly recommended. From our numerous coverstations and visits during the rebuild, I am confident we will end up with a good, solid engine that should provide worry free service. There is something to be said about using a builder close to home.

If all goes well we will pick up the engine Wednesday, November 25th.
 

Chuck

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Tom:

If I recall you visited before we added to the garage, converting it from a two stall to a five stall. The extra space has been great.
 

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Chuck

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Dave:

We removed the spider to replace the back plexiglass panel. It does not have to be removed to remove the engine.
 

Chuck

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A welcome thanksgiving guest.

The day before Thanksgiving Ryan and I pulled the trailer to Performance Motorsports, Greenville, Illinois, and came back with the engine. Lumpy spent a couple of hours explaining all the work he had done to get the engine back in proper order.

So we no longer have a T and L engine. We now have a Performance Motorsports Systems engine. That is something for which we are really thankful. . . .

The logo on the top of Lumpy’s dyno sheet reads:

“The frustration of poor performance lingers long after the lowest price is forgotten”

That pretty much nails the T and L situation.
 

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Hi Chuck, been working away, sorry to hear about the engine, glad its been sorted, hope us boys in the uk dont have the same troubles, not even run mine yet, could you let me know what items have been corrected by the engine builder, if you dont mine, on the forum or pm, all the best with the gearbox change, Andy :thumbsup:
 

Chuck

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Hey Andy:

Will do a detailed post shortly re the engine saga. At this point you should not expect to get much support from T and L based on what has been reported on the net. Since your engine was built around the same time as mine, the one thing you may want to check are the rocker arms. If they are pink, replace them. They are off shore and known to break at the most inopportune times.

Bottom line: for road use you should be fine once the initial details are sorted out.
 
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