Climate change

I am not sure who recommended the book, "Heaven & Earth - global warming the missing science", but thank you. It is a text book type of reading and covers many different subjects that contribute to climate and has hundreds off references to back up claims. If you have questions about the climate, this is a must read. Ian Plimer has given us a tremendous resource in this book and we all need to read and learn what liars and cheats the doomsday climate prophets are. The IPCC should be renamed tthe "Internatinal Protectorate for Carbon Cash".
 
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Pete McCluskey.

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By Paul Sheehan, Sydney Morning Herald.


Here are 10 anti-commandments, 10 selected facts about global warming which have been largely ignored amid the orthodoxies to which we are subjected every day. All these anti-commandments are either true or backed by scientific opinion. All can also be hotly contested.
1. The pin-up species of global warming, the polar bear, is increasing in number, not decreasing.
2. The US President, Barack Obama, supports building nuclear power plants.
Last week, in his State of the Union address, he said: ''To create more of these clean energy jobs, we need more production, more efficiency, more incentives. And that means building a new generation of safe, clean nuclear power plants in this country.''
3. The Copenhagen climate conference descended into farce.
The low point of the gridlock and posturing at Copenhagen came with the appearance by the socialist dictator of Venezuela, President Hugo Chavez, whose anti-capitalist diatribe drew a cheering ovation from thousands of left-wing ideologues.
4. The reputation of the chief United Nations scientist on global warming is in disrepair.
Dr Rajendra Pachauri, the chairman of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), is being investigated for financial irregularities, conflicts of interest and scientific distortion. He has already admitted publishing false data.
5. The supposed scientific consensus of the IPCC has been challenged by numerous distinguished scientists.
6. The politicisation of science leads to a heavy price being paid in poor countries.
After Western environmentalists succeeded in banning or suppressing the use of the pesticide DDT, the rate of death by malaria rose into the millions. Some scholars estimate the death toll at 20 million or more, most of them children.
7. The biofuels industry has exacerbated world hunger.
Diverting huge amounts of grain crops (as distinct from sugar cane) to biofuels has contributed to a rise in world food prices, felt acutely in the poorest nations.
8. The Kyoto Protocol has proved meaningless.
Global carbon emissions are significantly higher today than they were when the Kyoto Protocol was introduced.
9. The United Nations global carbon emissions reduction target is a massively costly mirage.
10. Kevin Rudd's political bluff on emissions trading has been exposed.
The Prime Minister intimated he would go to the people in an early election if his carbon emissions trading legislation was rejected. He won't. The electorate has shifted.
None of these anti-commandments question the salient negative link between humanity and the environment: that we are an omnivorous, rapacious species which has done enormous damage to the world's environment.
Nor do they question the warming of the planet.
What they do question is the morphing of science with ideology, the most pernicious byproduct of the global warming debate. All these anti-commandments were brought into focus this past week by the visit of the Viscount Monckton of Brenchley, better known as Lord Christopher Monckton, journalist by trade, mathematician by training, provocateur by inclination.
Last Wednesday a conference room at the Sheraton on the Park was filled to overflowing, all 800 seats sold with a standing-room only crowd at the back, to see the Sydney public appearance of Monckton, a former science adviser to Margaret Thatcher. At the end of his presentation he received a sustained standing ovation.
Monckton is the embodiment of English aristocratic eccentricity. His presentations are a combination of stand-up comedy, evangelical preaching and fierce debating. Almost every argument he makes can be contested, but given the enormity of the multi-trillion-dollars that governments expect taxpayers to expend on combating global warming, the process needs to be subject to brutal interrogation, scrutiny and scepticism. And Monckton was brutal, especially about the media, referring to ''all this bed-wetting stuff on the ABC and the BBC''.
There has also been a monumental political failure surrounding the global warming debate. Those who would have to pay for most of the massive government expenditures proposed, the taxpayers of the West, are beginning to go into open revolt at the prospect.
Last week the Herald reported that Monckton told a large lie while in Sydney.
On Tuesday it reported: ''He said with a straight face on the Alan Jones radio program that he had been awarded the Nobel, a claim Jones did not question.''
The Herald repeated the accusation on Thursday. It was repeated a third time in a commentary in Saturday's Herald.
In 2007 the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change shared the Nobel Peace Prize with the former US vice-president Al Gore. The prize committee, in citing its selection of the IPCC, said: ''Through the IPCC … thousands of scientists and officials from over 100 countries have collaborated to achieve greater certainty as to the scale of [global] warming.''
Thousands of people were thus collectively and anonymously part of the prize process.
So what lie did Monckton tell about the prize? Despite the gravity of the accusation, the Herald never published the offending remark. Here, for the record, is what he actually said:
Monckton: ''I found out on the day of publication of the 2007 [IPCC report] that they'd multiplied, by 10, the observed contribution to sea-level rise of the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheet. By 10! I got in touch with them and said, 'You will correct this.' And two days later, furtively, on the website, no publicity, they simply relabelled, recalculated and corrected the table they'd got wrong.''
Alan Jones: ''But this report won a Nobel Prize!''
Monckton: ''Yes. Exactly. And I am also a Nobel Prize winner because I made a correction. I'm part of the process that got the Nobel Prize. Do I deserve it? No. Do they deserve it? No. The thing is a joke.''
 
By Paul Sheehan, Sydney Morning Herald.


8. The Kyoto Protocol has proved meaningless.
Global carbon emissions are significantly higher today than they were when the Kyoto Protocol was introduced.
9. The United Nations global carbon emissions reduction target is a massively costly mirage.

interesting enough the USA is on target to reach the reduction that every one said was impossible. This is manly due to the higher price of oil and everyone using it more efficently.

The down side is the commerical gowers have to fill there glasshouse with co2 to make there plants grow faster

Must cut some fire wood for winter-renewable energy :)
 

Pete McCluskey.

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<BOD>As the wheels keep falling off the climate alarmist bandwagon, it's suddenly become fashionable to be a sceptic. Out of the woodwork have crawled all sorts of fair-weather friends.
But where were they when the going was tough, when we were being hammered as Holocaust deniers, planet wreckers, in the pay of the "Big Polluters", bad parents, pariahs, equivalent to murderers? It was pure McCarthyism.
But now, even the most aggressive alarmists have gone quiet or softened their rhetoric and people who sat on the fence have morphed into wise owls.
They still think it's acceptable to mock touring British sceptic Lord Christopher Monckton's protruding eyes, a distressing symptom of his thyroid disease, in an effort to marginalise him as a lunatic, rather than address his criticisms. But, when even the British left-leaning, warmist-friendly Guardian newspaper has begun to investigate the fraud involved in "sexing up" climate change science, it's clear the collapse of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's credibility and the holes in the case for catastrophic man-made climate change can no longer be ignored.
We are witnessing an outbreak of neo-open-mindedness and face-saving from people who brooked no nuance.
The formerly alarmist British chief scientific adviser, John Beddington, has said: "I don't think it's healthy to dismiss proper scepticism." Hallelujah.
Australia's Chief Scientist, Professor Penny Sackett, who just three months ago was telling us that we had only five years to stop catastrophic global warming, is similarly less gung-ho these days.
On ABC television's 7.30 Report this week she expressed concern about "a confusion" between the science and the politics of climate change.
"I think that we're seeing more and more a confusion between a political debate, a political debate that needs to happen, it's important to happen, and the discussion of the science. I feel that these two things are being confused and it worries me, actually."
Funny, proponents of the theory of catastrophic man-made climate change never expressed concern about the "confusion", aka politicisation of science, when it was running their way.
Blows to the climate alarm case keep coming, from fraudulent claims about melting glaciers, increased hurricanes and drought, dying Amazon rainforest, disappearing polar bears and the flooding of half of Holland.
The latest, most serious, blow was the revelation this week that an influential paper discounting the so-called urban heat island effect was based on vanished and perhaps fraudulent data from remote Chinese weather stations.
The 1990 paper was co-authored by the besieged director of the University of East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit, Phil Jones and a US colleague, who are now accused of a "cover-up".
Jones, of course, and other leading scientists, have been exposed by their leaked "Climategate" emails, as political partisans who tried to suppress data, subvert freedom of information laws, and blackball journals and scientists who didn't toe the alarmist line.
Meanwhile, revelations pile up about shoddy references used to sex up the IPCC's Nobel Prize-winning Fourth Assessment Report of 2007.
Among them is the bogus claim that Himalayan glaciers would melt by 2035, based on a speculative interview in a popular science magazine.
The IPCC lead author of the chapter that contained the reference, Murari Lal, told Britain's Mail on Sunday last week that he knew the glacier claim was wrong but included it to put political pressure on world leaders to cut emissions.
"We thought that if we can highlight it, it will impact policymakers and politicians and encourage them to take some concrete action."
Because it was in a good cause it was somehow OK for the United Nations' lead climate change body to slant science, cherry-pick data, and base claims on such flimsy references as Greenpeace and WWF propaganda, a student's master's thesis and anecdotes in Climber magazine.
This sort of ''noble cause'' corruption appears to have permeated climate change science, and set back the legitimate cause of fighting pollution. The dishonesty will have only ensured a generation of people will no longer trust environmental warnings.
One of the most significant recent revelations is how influential and embedded were environmental activists such as WWF and Greenpeace. Not only were their publications cited in the 2007 report in at last 24 instances as if they were proper peer-reviewed science, but their staffers were in familiar communication with East Anglia climate researchers, and were regarded apparently as "honest brokers" rather than political lobbyists.
In one email, Alan Markham from WWF writes to climate scientists urging a paper on climate change in Australia be "beefed up".
WWF "would like to see the section on a variability and extreme events beefed up, if possible," Markham wrote in 1999. "I guess the bottom line is that if they are going to go with a big public splash on this they need something that will get good support from CSIRO scientists."
In another email to East Anglia scientists, WWF's Stephan Singer offers "a few thousand euros" to write a paper about the economic cost of Europe's 2003 heatwave.
They got away with it for a very long time.
Today, the bankruptcy of the climate alarm cause is demonstrated by the fact its highest profile champion is Osama bin Laden. ''Boycott [America] to save yourselves … and your children from climate change", he said in an audiotape released last week.
Rising in the opinion polls, the opposition leader, Tony Abbott, has found himself on the right side of history. He was even able this week to utter the former heresy that "carbon dioxide is an essential trace gas" and "these so-called nasty big polluters are the people who keep the lights on''.
But in the game of musical chairs that politics often is Kevin Rudd has found himself with no place to sit.
 
Why is it, that when we have record cold and snow as we are having now, that it is somehow caused by global warming trends. It can't just be accepted as it is! I guess that any excuse will do! Goverment has been snowed under for 3 days, never happened before in my lifetime. Global warming! Yeah, yeah, that's the ticket!
 
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Chris, As it was explained to me on another thread that "this surely a byproduct of global warming". I hope you understand this phenomenon better than I do. Has something to do with CO2 and it's reaction to the square of the hair, the slope of the rope and the mass of the ass, or some such thing, and, oh yeah, lots of money!
 
When global warming is given as the cause for record snows, it simply spells BS. A scientific theory can not solve both ends and be the answer to all related situations.
 
This is the first day in recorded history that there has been snow on the ground in all 50 US states, that would be all 57 US states for the BO fans! Global warming at it's finest!
 
Ahhhh, the global warming people are quiet for a change! Snow up to everyone's butt! Some doubt forming?

HHHMMMMM, I think the phrase "global warming" is being taken too literally by the nay-sayers.
Global Warming is a bad choice of phrase, "climate change" is far more representative of what seems to be happening, and yes, "This is the first day in recorded history that there has been snow on the ground in all 50 US states" this certainly does seem to be happening.:cry:

Simon
 
Hi Simon

American records dont go back that far?

regards

Chris.

PS. How did the North West Passage get its name in the first place?
 

Pete McCluskey.

Lifetime Supporter
HHHMMMMM, I think the phrase "global warming" is being taken too literally by the nay-sayers.
Global Warming is a bad choice of phrase, "climate change" is far more representative of what seems to be happening, and yes, "This is the first day in recorded history that there has been snow on the ground in all 50 US states" this certainly does seem to be happening.:cry:

Simon

Yes the Global warmist's started calling it "climate change" when the data that they weren't fudging, inconveniently showed the globe was cooling.
However, there is no doubt that the climate is changing, it has done so for billions of years and will continue to do so. The debate is about whether man's pollution has an effect on the climate and in particular if CO2 emissions play a role. I for one think not.
 

David Morton

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It was a route to the North and West of the Americas to allow British ships access to the Pacific and Asia instead of going around the Capes.
 
Everyone is entitled to their opinion of course, but the fact that any inteligent person can believe that the billions of people on this planet and the polution they produce ISN'T having any sort of effect baffles me. Are these the same people who say that oil will NEVER run out?
It's not so much us who will suffer but our childrens children.
Simon
 

Pete McCluskey.

Lifetime Supporter
Billions of people and their pollution does have an effect of course, it has an effect on the quality of the air we breath and it clogs our waterways with rubbish, particularly plastic bags. Now a tax on plastic bags I could agree with, but of course we already one, its called a GST in Oz and a VAT in the U.K. I'm not sure what you Yanks call it but I'm sure you have one.
What fires me up and why I started this thread is the total arrogance, ego,or ignorance of people who have been on this planet for a millisecond of time in its life, thinking that they can effect the climate.And of course the cynical pursuit of the Dollar by the Al Gore's of the world who have already reaped billions of $$$$ from their Nanny statements and flawed science that the masses lap up like another episode of big brother.
We all learnt in school that carbon is one of the building blocks of life, why tax it? Because that will give the world's Politicians more money to spend on conferences and cocktail party's like the debacle at Copenhagen.

The ice caps are melting, the polar bears are going to be extinct, total rubbish. All they want is your hard earned.
FOLLOW THE MONEY!
 
It was a route to the North and West of the Americas to allow British ships access to the Pacific and Asia instead of going around the Capes.


Hi Dave

exactly it use to be a passage way, but for the last 100 years it was frozen and now it may be possible to once again to navigate through. IE Global temperature similar to what it previously was.
 
Pete, Al,

I do so hope (for all our sakes) that I am 100% wrong and you are 100% right.
This is one argument I will be VERY happy to lose.

Simon:blank:
 
What bothers me is that for Gore and his ilk the motivation is greed. I think that the concern for for this planet among the people that attended the summit in Copenhagen is minimal, the driving force is the money that will be generated if Cap and Trade is put into action. Had they been concerned about CO2 emissions, they would have teleconferenced the summit or found another way to have it, and not have flown a 1000 plus private planes to get there. Hell, Polosi took 3 planes herself! Gore spouts all this garbage while creating a massive carbon footprint with his home and plane. You can see $ signs in his eyes!
 
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